I know that Apparition can be played at any time during combat. Is
that because the card text says "Prevent up to..." instead of the
usual "Prevent..."? If so does that mean that Resilience[sup] and
Diversion can also be played at any time during combat as they have
the same card text?
I know it doesn't say "up to" on the Resilience card but it's been
added to the card text on the WW site:
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/Cardlist_R.html#Resilience
Chris.
Chris Arthur <chr...@comcen.com.au> wrote:
> I know that Apparition can be played at any time during combat. Is
> that because the card text says "Prevent up to..." instead of the
> usual "Prevent..."? If so does that mean that Resilience[sup] and
> Diversion can also be played at any time during combat as they have
> the same card text?
Apparition can be played at any time because it says "..each round."
It's a possible-future condition, you can play it when there is no
damage to prevent.
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Correct.
Resilience cannot be played if there is no damage to prevent (since it
is a simple damage prevention effect, not an effect that gives you
future damage prevention ability).
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"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> schreef in bericht
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> Jozxyqk wrote:
> > Chris Arthur <chr...@comcen.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >>I know that Apparition can be played at any time during combat. Is
> >>that because the card text says "Prevent up to..." instead of the
> >>usual "Prevent..."? If so does that mean that Resilience[sup] and
> >>Diversion can also be played at any time during combat as they have
> >>the same card text?
> >
> >
> > Apparition can be played at any time because it says "..each round."
> > It's a possible-future condition, you can play it when there is no
> > damage to prevent.
>
> Correct.
>
> Resilience cannot be played if there is no damage to prevent (since it
> is a simple damage prevention effect, not an effect that gives you
> future damage prevention ability).
In the same context, am I correct that you can play inferior Skin of
Night whenever you want and superior only if there's actual damage to
prevent?
Izaak wrote:
> In the same context, am I correct that you can play inferior Skin of
> Night whenever you want and superior only if there's actual damage to
> prevent?
Yes. Contrast to Unflinching Persistence.
--Colin McGuigan
LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<BB_sc.29637$fF3.7...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
> Correct.
>
> Resilience cannot be played if there is no damage to prevent (since it
> is a simple damage prevention effect, not an effect that gives you
> future damage prevention ability).
Resilience has a flat "Prevent 3 non-aggravated damage" text.
Is it possible to prevent only two points of damage with it, even if
there is more damage inflicted upon the minion playing it?
Would the case be different if the text said "Prevent up to 3
non-aggravated damage"?
Thanks,
Daneel
"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
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> Jozxyqk wrote:
> > Chris Arthur <chr...@comcen.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >>I know that Apparition can be played at any time during combat. Is
> >>that because the card text says "Prevent up to..." instead of the
> >>usual "Prevent..."? If so does that mean that Resilience[sup] and
> >>Diversion can also be played at any time during combat as they have
> >>the same card text?
> >
> >
> > Apparition can be played at any time because it says "..each round."
> > It's a possible-future condition, you can play it when there is no
> > damage to prevent.
>
> Correct.
>
> Resilience cannot be played if there is no damage to prevent (since it
> is a simple damage prevention effect, not an effect that gives you
> future damage prevention ability).
But it does seem like superior Resilience (and Diversion and Soak)
should be playable to prevent 0 damage, since they say to prevent "up
to" 3 (or 2, or 4) damage. 0 is a legal choice (as far as I can tell)
in "up to" phrasings on other cards such as Liberty Club Intrigue,
Blessing of the Name, Powerbase: Washington DC, Third Tradition:
Progeny, etc.
Josh
resilient body, resilient mind
Joshua Duffin wrote:
> But it does seem like superior Resilience (and Diversion and Soak)
> should be playable to prevent 0 damage, since they say to prevent "up
> to" 3 (or 2, or 4) damage. 0 is a legal choice (as far as I can tell)
> in "up to" phrasings on other cards such as Liberty Club Intrigue,
> Blessing of the Name, Powerbase: Washington DC, Third Tradition:
> Progeny, etc.
Nit: Superior Resilience doesn't say "up to".
Even if it's possible to play, eg, Diversion to prevent 0 damage (which
I would imagine it is), you can only play damage prevention cards when
there is damage to prevent (unless a timeframe is given, eg, superior
Unflinching Persistence). Just like you can't cancel your own manuevers
or presses.
--Colin McGuigan
"Colin McGuigan" <magu...@BGONEspeakeasy.net> wrote in message
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> Joshua Duffin wrote:
> > But it does seem like superior Resilience (and Diversion and Soak)
> > should be playable to prevent 0 damage, since they say to prevent
"up
> > to" 3 (or 2, or 4) damage. 0 is a legal choice (as far as I can
tell)
> > in "up to" phrasings on other cards such as Liberty Club Intrigue,
> > Blessing of the Name, Powerbase: Washington DC, Third Tradition:
> > Progeny, etc.
>
> Nit: Superior Resilience doesn't say "up to".
Re-nit: It does in the online card text (by ruling, apparently, though I
don't seem to be able to find the appropriate ruling on the newsgroup or
in the E/R/C file). :-)
> Even if it's possible to play, eg, Diversion to prevent 0 damage
(which
> I would imagine it is), you can only play damage prevention cards when
> there is damage to prevent (unless a timeframe is given, eg, superior
> Unflinching Persistence). Just like you can't cancel your own
manuevers
> or presses.
Hmm, I wonder. If there were a card that said "gain up to 2 maneuvers"
I would expect it could be played even if you weren't going to use
either of them, and that it could be played before the maneuver step, as
well. So it would in a way make sense that you could "prevent 0 damage"
any time you wanted to. I also wouldn't be terribly surprised if the
ruling were that you can only play damage prevention when there is
damage to prevent, though, even if you're preventing 0.
Josh
repeat as necessary
Joshua Duffin wrote:
> Hmm, I wonder. If there were a card that said "gain up to 2 maneuvers"
> I would expect it could be played even if you weren't going to use
> either of them, and that it could be played before the maneuver step, as
> well.
Precedent would say it would then say something like, "Gain up to 2
manuevers, only usable this round", or "Gain up to 2 manuevers, usable
this combat"
Eg, (AFAIK: I could be wrong about this, but let's find out!) superior
Lightning Reflexes says "This vampire may burn X blood to gain X
additional strikes," but you can't play it before range, even where X =
0 -- you only get to play it in the additional strikes phase.
Contrast to Imposing Phantasm: "...gets an additional strike this round"
--Colin McGuigan
>
> Resilience has a flat "Prevent 3 non-aggravated damage" text.
>
If you'll notice in the original post that is addressed:
Resilience card text on the WW site says "up to"
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/Cardlist_R.html#Resilience
Chris.
Joshua Duffin wrote:
> "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message>>Resilience cannot be played if there is no damage to prevent (since it
>>is a simple damage prevention effect, not an effect that gives you
>>future damage prevention ability).>
> But it does seem like superior Resilience (and Diversion and Soak)
> should be playable to prevent 0 damage, since they say to prevent "up
> to" 3 (or 2, or 4) damage.
Damage prevention can only be played when there is damage to prevent,
as stated.
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"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
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> Joshua Duffin wrote:
> > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
> >>Resilience cannot be played if there is no damage to prevent (since
it
> >>is a simple damage prevention effect, not an effect that gives you
> >>future damage prevention ability).
> >
> > But it does seem like superior Resilience (and Diversion and Soak)
> > should be playable to prevent 0 damage, since they say to prevent
"up
> > to" 3 (or 2, or 4) damage.
>
> Damage prevention can only be played when there is damage to prevent,
> as stated.
Well, that's a decree, not a reason, but OK. :-)
If there is 1 damage to prevent, can you play Resilience at superior to
prevent 0 of it, and then play another card to prevent the 1? If not,
why not, by comparison to other cards using the phrasing "up to" for
which 0 appears to be a legal choice?
If there is a hand strike for 0 (with Disarm for example), can you play
Resilience at superior to prevent the 0? If not, that's presumably
because there is "no damage" to prevent, but if you can use a damage
prevention card to prevent "no damage", it seems strange that you can't
use it against a "no damage" strike.
If the desire is for damage prevention cards to only be usable to
prevent natural numbers of damage, perhaps a better wording for them
would be, for example, "Prevent 1, 2, or 3 non-aggravated damage" (for
superior Resilience); "Prevent 1 or 2 damage" (for Diversion); "Prevent
1 or 2 non-aggravated damage" (for Soak), etc. It wouldn't take up that
much more space on the cards.
Josh
unnaturally damaged
Joshua Duffin expounded:
> If there is 1 damage to prevent, can you play Resilience at superior to
> prevent 0 of it, and then play another card to prevent the 1? If not,
> why not, by comparison to other cards using the phrasing "up to" for
> which 0 appears to be a legal choice?
Not sure about playing Resilience to prevent 0 but I'm inclined to say
yes.
> If there is a hand strike for 0 (with Disarm for example), can you play
> Resilience at superior to prevent the 0? If not, that's presumably
No
> because there is "no damage" to prevent, but if you can use a damage
Yes. Hence you can't make it aggravated and play Rotschreck either.
> prevention card to prevent "no damage", it seems strange that you can't
> use it against a "no damage" strike.
Because there is no damage to prevent. Whether there is a strike or not
has absolutely nothing to do with the playability RESILIENCE.
> If the desire is for damage prevention cards to only be usable to
> prevent natural numbers of damage, perhaps a better wording for them
> would be, for example, "Prevent 1, 2, or 3 non-aggravated damage" (for
> superior Resilience); "Prevent 1 or 2 damage" (for Diversion); "Prevent
> 1 or 2 non-aggravated damage" (for Soak), etc. It wouldn't take up that
> much more space on the cards.
Agreed though it wouldn't be very elegant.
chr...@comcen.com.au (Chris Arthur) wrote in message news:<5a63bace.04052...@posting.google.com>...
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Okay, then sup. Skin of Rock or better yet, sup. Undead Persistance?
Bye,
Daneel