Form of Mist Question

Card Text: Name: Form of Mist [Jyhad, V:TES] Cardtype: Combat Discipline: Protean [pro] Strike: dodge [PRO] Strike: combat ends. ={When played by an acting vampire, this card counts as an action modifier and the action continues}= at +1 stealth as if unblocked (this action can still be blocked). from rulings: The superior form cannot be used by the acting vampire unless he needs the stealth.[RTR 19970630] Can someone please explain how the ruling makes sense. How can a vampire that is in combat determine if they will need the +1 stealth if the action continues? On a different track, what constitutes "played". Specifically when has an ancient influence been played, when the action has been attempted, or when the action has been successful, how about when its burned for a vote? Thanks, -JTP

John wrote: > > Card Text: > Name: Form of Mist [Jyhad, V:TES] > Cardtype: Combat > Discipline: Protean > [pro] Strike: dodge > [PRO] Strike: combat ends. ={When played by an acting vampire, this > card counts as an action modifier and the action continues}= at +1 > stealth as if unblocked (this action can still be blocked). > > from rulings: > The superior form cannot be used by the acting vampire unless he needs > the stealth.[RTR 19970630] > > Can someone please explain how the ruling makes sense. How can a > vampire that is in combat determine if they will need the +1 stealth > if the action continues? Check the minion he is in combat with. If it's not a blocking minion, then he doesn't need stealth. If it is a blocking minion, check the blocking minion's intercept to see if he needs stealth. > On a different track, what constitutes "played". Specifically when has > an ancient influence been played, when the action has been attempted, > or when the action has been successful, how about when its burned for > a vote? Card "played" from hand -> played. Card "burned", "discarded", etc. from hand -> not played. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"John" <verg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:291e4298.01121...@posting.google.com... > Card Text: > Name: Form of Mist [Jyhad, V:TES] > Cardtype: Combat > Discipline: Protean > [pro] Strike: dodge > [PRO] Strike: combat ends. ={When played by an acting vampire, this > card counts as an action modifier and the action continues}= at +1 > stealth as if unblocked (this action can still be blocked). > > from rulings: > The superior form cannot be used by the acting vampire unless he needs > the stealth.[RTR 19970630] > > Can someone please explain how the ruling makes sense. How can a > vampire that is in combat determine if they will need the +1 stealth > if the action continues? It doesn't happen very often but here's an example. Vamp A Bum's Rushes Vamp B ( no successful block attempts ) Combat occurs Vamp A cannot play FoM(S) to continue the Bum's Rush at +1 stealth because the stealth is not needed. > On a different track, what constitutes "played". Specifically when has > an ancient influence been played, when the action has been attempted, > or when the action has been successful, how about when its burned for > a vote? Definition of played is in the V:TES FAQ, but here it is: 3.15 What does "Played" mean? Certain effects in the game are only triggered by a card being "played". For example, only one Ancient Influence political action card may be "played" per game, or Akhenaten can "play" Necromancy cards as a vampire. When is a card "played"? The only time a card is considered "played" is when you move it from your hand to either the ash heap or into play on one of your other cards or into play by itself. A Master card is "played" when you announce it, and is either put into the ash heap or into play on a minion or into play as a card in play. Neither taking an action based on that Master card nor gaining benefits from the text of that Master card is "playing" the card, simply "using" the card. A Minion card is "played" when you announce it, and it is either put into the ash heap or into play on a minion or into play as a card. Neither taking an action based on that Minion card nor gaining benefits from the text of that Minion card is "playing" the card, simply "using" the card. A card is considered to have been "played" even if its effects are cancelled by Direct Intervention.