I just bought a starter deck and a booster pack today, and tried a game
with my roomate (who'd bought a starter and booster as well.)
At only 30 blood, it seems as though you're pretty much confined to having
small vampires, and perhaps one larger one if you ever expect to get
weapons (which is the only way I've seen thus far to get a decent damage
yield) which are awfully nice in that most ranged weapons give you a
manuever, thereby ensuring that you won't take damage but they will.
In this game the act of blocking taps you, correct? As does going on the
hunt to regain health? So once a vampire starts dying it's going to keep
dying round after round if the attacker chooses to keep coming until
the defender dies? (as the vampire can't afford to hunt since it'd be unable
to block.)
Any of the political vote cards can be used to cast a yes or no vote? So
if I call a vote with a Peace Treaty, I can use a Political Flux card as
an extra vote for a total of 2 (assuming no vampires with votes)?
How do you play with Kine Resources Contested and Telepathic Misdirection
in a two player game?? :)
In any case, I'd also appreciate any pointers to Jyhad info so I can
understand it a bit better. Is there an FTP site around that has
discussions on it?
Brent Burkholder
eyeq@ee.wpi.edu
On 25 Oct 1994, Brent Burkholder wrote:
> Any of the political vote cards can be used to cast a yes or no vote? So
> if I call a vote with a Peace Treaty, I can use a Political Flux card as
> an extra vote for a total of 2 (assuming no vampires with votes)?
Yes, you can burn political action cards for value of the vote on the
card i.e. - "WORTH 1 VOTE" during a vote. You do not, however, replace
those burned cards until after the vote is finished.
> How do you play with Kine Resources Contested and Telepathic Misdirection
> in a two player game?? :)
Kine Resources Contested: "Divide 4 points among at least 2 Methuselahs.
Successful vote means each point represents the loss of 1 pool."
In a two player game or near the end of a multiplayer game the solution
is easy; give yourself a point and your predator/prey 3 points. If you
can't take the loss of 1 pool then don't play that card.
Telepathic Misdirection: auspex;"+1 intercept" sup. auspex;"A minion
bleeding you is now bleeding a Methuselah of your choice, other than that
minion's Methuselah. Etc., etc., etc....
You would not be able to utilize the sup. auspex in a two-player game or
a game widdled down to 2 players. You can, however, still utilize the
auspex of +1 intercept.
Brent Burkholder <eyeq@vlsi8.WPI.EDU> wrote:
>At only 30 blood, it seems as though you're pretty much confined to having
>small vampires, and perhaps one larger one if you ever expect to get
>weapons (which is the only way I've seen thus far to get a decent damage
>yield) which are awfully nice in that most ranged weapons give you a
>manuever, thereby ensuring that you won't take damage but they will.
You definitely have to balance things like the size of your vampires
in your crypt vs. the types of weapons in your deck (if any) vs. how
many ways you have to get blood back, yes.
>In this game the act of blocking taps you, correct? As does going on the
>hunt to regain health? So once a vampire starts dying it's going to keep
>dying round after round if the attacker chooses to keep coming until
>the defender dies? (as the vampire can't afford to hunt since it'd be unable
>to block.)
Taking any action, including hunting, taps the acting minion. Successfully
blocking taps the blocking minion. You seem to have the hunting/blocking
relationship backwards, though; as long as the vampire can stay ready
but with no blood, it will have to hunt on your next minion phase, and
thus will be unavailable fro blocking.
>Any of the political vote cards can be used to cast a yes or no vote? So
>if I call a vote with a Peace Treaty, I can use a Political Flux card as
>an extra vote for a total of 2 (assuming no vampires with votes)?
Sure.
>How do you play with Kine Resources Contested and Telepathic Misdirection
>in a two player game?? :)
With Kine Resources Contested, you'll be taking at least some of the
damage (presumably only 1 point). Superior Telepathic Misdirection
is essentially useless in a 2-player game.
>In any case, I'd also appreciate any pointers to Jyhad info so I can
>understand it a bit better. Is there an FTP site around that has
>discussions on it?
marvin.macc.wisc.edu, under /deckmaster
Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for
aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.
In <38i1jh$euf@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, eyeq@vlsi8.WPI.EDU (Brent Burkholder) writes:
>
>I just bought a starter deck and a booster pack today, and tried a game
>with my roomate (who'd bought a starter and booster as well.)
>
>At only 30 blood, it seems as though you're pretty much confined to having
>small vampires, and perhaps one larger one if you ever expect to get
>weapons (which is the only way I've seen thus far to get a decent damage
>yield) which are awfully nice in that most ranged weapons give you a
>manuever, thereby ensuring that you won't take damage but they will.
You need cards to help you gain more blood.
>In this game the act of blocking taps you, correct? As does going on the
>hunt to regain health? So once a vampire starts dying it's going to keep
>dying round after round if the attacker chooses to keep coming until
>the defender dies? (as the vampire can't afford to hunt since it'd be unable
>to block.)
>
Hunting is at +1 stealth. Intercept is required to block...
>Any of the political vote cards can be used to cast a yes or no vote? So
>if I call a vote with a Peace Treaty, I can use a Political Flux card as
>an extra vote for a total of 2 (assuming no vampires with votes)?
Yes.
>How do you play with Kine Resources Contested and Telepathic Misdirection
>in a two player game?? :)
>
You don't. TM is useless at the two player level.
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> Taking any action, including hunting, taps the acting minion. Successfully
> blocking taps the blocking minion. You seem to have the hunting/blocking
> relationship backwards, though; as long as the vampire can stay ready
> but with no blood, it will have to hunt on your next minion phase, and
> thus will be unavailable fro blocking.
The current ruling is that entering combat (as a result of Haven
Uncovered or Bum's Rush) also taps a minion if not already tapped,
correct?
> >Any of the political vote cards can be used to cast a yes or no vote? So
> >if I call a vote with a Peace Treaty, I can use a Political Flux card as
> >an extra vote for a total of 2 (assuming no vampires with votes)?> Sure.
? I had thought that you could not play more cards than you needed to
succeed at an action. If your vote passes with 1 vote, then you are
not allowed to play other cards for needless votes. (Of course, your
own voting vampires, especially Malkavians, can always vote against
you. ;-) Similarly, if your action is unblocked, you cannot play
additional Stealth cards to needlessly hide the action more.
I may have to go home and memorize the rules again. :-)
papillo the interpreter
In article <Cy9s8E.82G@ucc.su.oz.au>, Rick Mc Leod <rxm@mda.com.au> wrote:
>In <38i1jh$euf@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, eyeq@vlsi8.WPI.EDU (Brent Burkholder) writes:>>
>>I just bought a starter deck and a booster pack today, and tried a game
>>with my roomate (who'd bought a starter and booster as well.)
>>
>>At only 30 blood, it seems as though you're pretty much confined to having
>>small vampires, and perhaps one larger one if you ever expect to get
>>weapons (which is the only way I've seen thus far to get a decent damage
>>yield) which are awfully nice in that most ranged weapons give you a
>>manuever, thereby ensuring that you won't take damage but they will.>
>You need cards to help you gain more blood.
Another good trick is to cast Minion Tap on a large vampire after you
bring it out. This is also good insurance if your opponent is fond of
aggrivated damage combos.
-steve
In a previous article, papillo@fc.hp.com (Bob Ellison) says:
>The current ruling is that entering combat (as a result of Haven
>Uncovered or Bum's Rush) also taps a minion if not already tapped,
>correct?
I'd like someone to confirm this, because we have played otherwise..
Has this been found in the rules or is it a WotC ruling?
I've reasoned that it doesn't take a whole day (or action, whatever) of my mean
Thaumathurgy heavy-hitter Lazarus to finish off the loser who comes to knock
on his/her door, asking for a duel... ;-) Seriously, I think that blocking
an action (that taps the blocker) demands much more time and effort that
fight that comes straight to where you are.
On the other hand, the Bum's Rush (or whatever) could be timed accurately to
delay Lazarus jumping on his Sport Bike to catch someone bleeding me
on the other side of the city, so that he'd arrive on the place half an hour
late or something.. Now that I begun to think of it, both alternatives seem
to make sense.
>> >Any of the political vote cards can be used to cast a yes or no vote? So
>> >if I call a vote with a Peace Treaty, I can use a Political Flux card as
>> >an extra vote for a total of 2 (assuming no vampires with votes)?>>> Sure.>
>? I had thought that you could not play more cards than you needed to
>succeed at an action. If your vote passes with 1 vote, then you are
>not allowed to play other cards for needless votes. (Of course, your
>own voting vampires, especially Malkavians, can always vote against
>you. ;-) Similarly, if your action is unblocked, you cannot play
>additional Stealth cards to needlessly hide the action more.
>
>I may have to go home and memorize the rules again. :-)
"People call out votes freely, for or against" - Jyh 17:1
The situation here differs from stealth/intercept adding, because vote
cards can not be replaced until the vote has been concluded. Besides,
my political deck would miss one cool super-bleed combo if 'needless' votes
were not allowed to cast, 'Elder Kindred Network', the Ventrue card that
can be used when someone else calls a vote - for every vote the caller
loses the vote by, the caller also loses 1 blood. Throw in Dread Gaze and
Business Pressure, perhaps burn some political actions to go.. ;-)
This works of course best if you've managed to convince the target
that you're really voting for him, or abstaining from the vote. Then just
Dramatic Upheaval yourself to bleeding position, if you weren't the poor
fellow's predator already..
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The next printing of the Jyhad rules will say that any minion entering
combat for any reason becomes tapped if it wasn't already. It's probably
best to play this way now, and get in the habit.
There is a specific rule against playing a stealth or intercept card
when you don't need to (though you can overkill the amount you actually
need to raise it by, e.g. using superior Enhanced Senses when inferior
will do), but not against "overkilling" in general. You can use Undead
Strength even if normal hand damage would be enough to torpor the other
minion, can use Govern the Unaligned even if the player to be bled only
has one pool, can burn political cards in favor of a vote even if it's
already due to pass, etc.
Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for
aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.
Before I could do anything to stop it, Tom Wylie wrote:
> The next printing of the Jyhad rules will say that any minion entering
> combat for any reason becomes tapped if it wasn't already. It's probably
> best to play this way now, and get in the habit.
Hmmm... This makes Bum's Rush an even more strategic card, since it means
you can tap your prey's vamps before attempting to bleed.
Has the second printing begun shipping? The last few boosters I bought
seemed to be missing the slick coating that the first ones had, and I was
wondering if Carta Mundi had changed their printing process or what. Do I
need to buy a deck of the current run to get the current rules, or should
I just write to customer service for a fresh copy?
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