Mitru the Hunter

Mitru the Hunter Gangrel Anti Group 4 ani for CEL OBF PRO Sabbat: Cards that require Celerity cost Mitru 1 less blood to play. Pretty nifty, a group 4 version Miller Delmardigan, Teacher of Bahari.

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This is an antigangrel Miller. this group 4 is sucks...

"Bala" <ba...@coder.hu> wrote in message news:1108049080....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > This is an antigangrel Miller. Except for the clan, group, title, aus, ani, for, PRE, OBF, and a level of Protean, yep, they're exactly the same. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. V:TES homepage: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu

Bala wrote: >This is an antigangrel Miller. this group 4 is sucks... I'm not quite sure it is sucks, my self. He is a solid 8 pointer with three in clan superiors (for city gangrel), and two "out of clan" inferiors (making him a slightly undergunned country gangrel) with a solid ability. Yeah, sure, Miller has the same special (but also he teaches bahari, I mean, has +1 hand damage) but different disciplines. I'm not so much seeing the problem. -Peter

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:371d61F...@individual.net... > "Bala" <ba...@coder.hu> wrote in message news:1108049080....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > > This is an antigangrel Miller. > > > Except for the clan, group, title, aus, ani, for, PRE, OBF, and > a level of Protean, yep, they're exactly the same. Oh, and the +1 strength, too. But other than that, OK. [ quoted text not captured ]

"Except for the clan, group, title, aus, ani, for, PRE, OBF, and a level of Protean, yep, they're exactly the same. " LOL that's funny! Teehee... I see Earth Meld/ Psyche! combination!

[ quoted text not captured ] I agree he's an excellent vampire. He's especially good since both of his "out of clan" disciplines are the remaining disciplines for the Country Gangrel - it gives him synergy in a lot more decks. Sure he ain't no Owain Evans or Count Germaine, but at least he's better than Ardan Lane, Katarina Kornfeld, and Muhandis. The one thing I can't puzzle out however, is why Mitru is special enough to justify FOUR different threads on the same topic on this newsgroup! What's up with all these redundant threads?

[ quoted text not captured ] I don't want to be offensive, but all these complaints on Black Annis and Mitru seems to be nothing more than excuses to avoid admitting they're pretty solid and worth buying. Many players would be more comfortable to indulge in rightful complain about grouping if the vamps were next to unusable or totally ineffective when mixed with older minions, meaning "I do not feel tempted to buy them". Since almost all offer new possibilities and the rest offer sensible variation of already existing strategies, accepting them for what they are would mean accepting the grouping rule. But then what would remain to complain about? The banning of KR and DU? best, Fabio "Sooner" Macedo V:EKN National Coordinator for Brazil -------------------------------------- Now a "luminary", whatever it means: http://www.thelasombra.com/WhosWho/fabiomacedo.htm

he.... i know i started one ´cause i checked it as soon as it was posted ans there was no thread about him yet.... probably other people did just the same. since the 4 threads appeared almost together, i believe that´s the case....

"Fabio \"Sooner\" Macedo" <fa...@cohesp.com.br> wrote: : On 10 Feb 2005 07:37:35 -0800, pd...@lightlink.com wrote: : I don't want to be offensive, but all these complaints on Black Annis : and Mitru seems to be nothing more than excuses to avoid admitting : they're pretty solid and worth buying. Annis and Mitru are both solid Vampires when it comes to their disciplines and specialties. Mitru, being one of the npc characters I kind of liked in Transylvanian Chronicles, is pretty nice altogether, from Disciplines to the picture. Of course, if you complain him to Miller, without the +1 str Mitru will just never be as good as Miller in what Miller does best - and I guess that's what most are muttering. He has for for prevent, animalism for DotB and with the !Gangrel path he plays Blur + Claws for free. Black Annis, on the other hand is more of a rip-off. Annis, Beast.. both !nossies, except Annis has the no-brainer protean and she's better in rite about everything else. What I hate though, is the picture, which reminds me mostly of bad Tales from the Crypt cover art that tried very hard to look like B-rated camp. I'd hate dumping Beast for Annis, and having to look at her. When you play Beast it's like "Aaannd it'ssshh the Beaastrgghh!" With Annis, I imagine it'll be closer to "*cough* I have this silly looking cartoon !nossie here.." Small gripe. Would've liked her to no end without David Day's school grade artwork. In general you are partly right when it comes to me. I haven't played too much with group 4. Mostly because from my POV it would require some heavy investment into the cards (not that I didn't buy a lot of them already) and the options I have with group 4 just aren't worth it. Maybe after a few more expansions when I have accumulated enough of them and get tired of them gathering dust. //T

On 10 Feb 2005 18:57:32 GMT, Teemu T Vilen <tvi...@cc.helsinki.fi> wrote: >Black Annis, on the other hand is more of a rip-off. Annis, Beast.. both >!nossies, except Annis has the no-brainer protean and she's better in >rite about everything else. What I hate though, is the picture, which >reminds me mostly of bad Tales from the Crypt cover art that tried very >hard to look like B-rated camp. I'd hate dumping Beast for Annis, and >having to look at her. I couldn't agree more on the Black Annis art issue. But I'm one of the few who actually like most of Christopher Shy's artwork for WW, so I won't expect anyone to adhere to my aesthetics. We've had plenty of different art styles on V:TES, from anime-inspired library cards to general photoshop enhancement and pulp-book cover illustration, so I gave up on that issue long ago. What I can expect in that regard is that the publishers are the first ones to be desire a clear and uniform art between expansions, but that is just not possible given issues like artist availability, time schedule and such. That would make me feel more resigned on the art mess that is V:TES. >In general you are partly right when it comes to me. I haven't played >too much with group 4. Mostly because from my POV it would require some >heavy investment into the cards (not that I didn't buy a lot of them >already) and the options I have with group 4 just aren't worth it. Maybe >after a few more expansions when I have accumulated enough of them and >get tired of them gathering dust. >//T If you won't mind a little suggestion... Go Anarch! :) That's what I do to most 3/4 vamps I do have when I note that I don't have a proper crypt available to go monoclan. Note that I'm nowhere near completing the Camarilla set when it comes to crypt cards yet. Going anarch serves the purpose of putting them to good use right now. But of course, that depends on how much one is willing to be beaten up by more focused decks until it finds some balance between anarch cards and "normal" ones. Myself, I don't mind losing horribly 4 times if in the fifth I can pull something threatening with anarchs in the fifth game... best, Fabio "Sooner" Macedo V:TES National Coordinator for Brazil ----------------------------------------------------- now a "luminary", whatever it means: http://www.thelasombra.com/WhosWho/fabiomacedo.htm

On 10 Feb 2005 07:37:35 -0800, <pd...@lightlink.com> wrote: > Bala wrote: >> This is an antigangrel Miller. this group 4 is sucks... > > I'm not quite sure it is sucks, my self. I presume the quoted poster was referring to an unambiguous synergy between Miller and Mitru, which is condemned to remain unexploited because of a conflict in their groups. Or to rephrase: It's a frickin' shame he's a group 4-er, for him and Miller would make good buddies in a deck. Which I kind of could agree with, by the way. Unless the "New" is a change in the grouping rule... -- Bye, Daneel

On 10 Feb 2005 10:16:54 -0800, <echia...@yahoo.com> wrote: > I agree he's an excellent vampire. He's especially good since both of > his "out of clan" disciplines are the remaining disciplines for the > Country Gangrel - it gives him synergy in a lot more decks. By the way, this is what bugs me most about him (and newer !Gangrel with a similar discipine spread). I like clear-cut !Gangrel like Wren, Darrel Boyce, Zachary, Ellen Fence, Samantha, Haakon Mortenssen, etc. I'm not sure why !Gangrel have to end up with 5 disciplines mixed all over them. Grumble. -- Bye, Daneel

[ quoted text not captured ] I must confess though, that Mitru is a borderline case. He is clearly a City Gangrel, works fine in that capacity, and as such his extra disciplines are not a problem at all. The problem - as I see it - are those vampires who aren't really either City or Country (but pay for the disciplines of both division). So Mitru basically reminded me of the problem, but my assessment was hasty in including him in the same basket as Harry Reese and Maria Stone lie in. -- Bye, Daneel

nah.. if it was about the grouping rule it would be a rules update, not a new rule.... it´ll probably be something about non-gehenna events...or something completely different, but i don´t think it´ll be about grouping.

"press" <subve...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1108078758.7...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... Dude, please quote!!! Otherwise, you're like one of those crazy people who walk around the streets of New York City talking to nobody in particular. If the threading on my newsreader is correct, you're answering: > Daneel wrote: > > Unless the "New" is a change in the grouping rule... > > nah.. if it was about the grouping rule it would be a rules update, not > a new rule.... it惻l probably be something about non-gehenna > events...or something completely different, but i don愒 think it惻l > be about grouping. "New" != "New rule". The other new rules were all listed: "New rule", not just "New". "New" is more like, "It's NEW AND IMPROVED"...as in, some new feature or element to the product as a whole. Fred offers some possibilities for your entertainment: 1) NEW: Cornbread-n-Jyhad-Card lunch packs. (Wipe those crumbs off, you slobs!) 2) NEW: Vampire LARP parties with underwear models: meet the ORIGINAL Camille Deveraux!...Coming May of '06. (Role of 'JOBO-WHO-MUST-BE-OBEYED' goes exclusively to the 2005 North American Champion.) (And you thought that silly ring last year was cool, heh! ;-) ) 3) NEW: Sonic annoyer remote-control edge counter. Now, you can get BACK at that eternal stealth-bleeder in your playgroup with malice aforethought! 4) NEW: LSJ Bobblehead Dolls! Always agrees with YOUR interpretations of the rules! Always approves YOUR ideas for new cards! Always sympathizes with YOUR pet peeves about the game! Bring him to tournaments. Impress your friends. (And when he doesn't preview what YOU want to see? INTO THE PIT WITH HIM!!!) 5) NEW: VEKN Inner Circle new staff member...direct to you from his former position with the International Wrastling-And-Gourmet-Ear-Dining Federation... HANGMAN BLACK BART!!! Our new complaints director. (Now what was that comment you wished to make about the recent changes to the banned list?) You get the picture. Possibilities are as wild as your imagination. (Well, not THAT wild, you pervert.) Fred

Frederick Scott wrote: > 4) NEW: LSJ Bobblehead Dolls! Always agrees with YOUR interpretations of the > rules! Always approves YOUR ideas for new cards! Always sympathizes with YOUR > pet peeves about the game! Bring him to tournaments. Impress your friends. > (And when he doesn't preview what YOU want to see? INTO THE PIT WITH HIM!!!) Your ideas are intriguing and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. --Colin McGuigan

In article <1108049080....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "Bala" <ba...@coder.hu> wrote: >This is an antigangrel Miller. >this group 4 is sucks... OMFGZ YUO MAD EGROUP 4 THE SUX0RZ!!!!111"/ (Sorry, couldn't resist.) -- charles lechasseur - da...@novideospamtron.ca

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:26:37 -0600, Colin McGuigan <magu...@BGONEspeakeasy.net> scrawled: [ quoted text not captured ] omg colin he was being funny you tard why'd you think he was serious ur an idiot1!!!!!111! salem http://www.users.tpg.com.au/adsltqna/VtES/index.htm (replace "hotmail" with "yahoo" to email)

> 2) NEW: Vampire LARP parties with underwear models: meet the ORIGINAL Camille > Deveraux!...Coming May of '06. Nah, she'll be an old hag by now... > 4) NEW: LSJ Bobblehead Dolls! Always agrees with YOUR interpretations of the > rules! Always approves YOUR ideas for new cards! Always sympathizes with YOUR > pet peeves about the game! Bring him to tournaments. Impress your friends. > (And when he doesn't preview what YOU want to see? INTO THE PIT WITH HIM!!!) Yeeeeeah !! ;-) Coming soon at a site near you : LSJ looking at himself in the mirror of some german bathroom (and much, much more !!). --------- Orpheus

"Orpheus" <orphe...@ERASERHEADfree.fr> wrote >> 2) NEW: Vampire LARP parties with underwear models: meet the ORIGINAL > Camille >> Deveraux!...Coming May of '06. > > Nah, she'll be an old hag by now... She's a vampire, dude... they don't age! > Coming soon at a site near you : LSJ looking at himself in the mirror of > some german bathroom (and much, much more !!). Ahem. Moving on... Cheers, WES

(right) said Fred: >Dude, please quote!!! Otherwise, you're like one of those crazy people who >walk around the streets of New York City talking to nobody in particular. sorry... and yes, your threading is correct...and yes, i do talk to myself in the streets, only i'm not in NYC... cheers Luciano "Baital" de Sampaio VEKN Anarch Baron de Curitiba VEKN Baali Clan Newsletter Editor

salem wrote: > On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:26:37 -0600, Colin McGuigan > <magu...@BGONEspeakeasy.net> scrawled: > > >>Frederick Scott wrote: >> >>>4) NEW: LSJ Bobblehead Dolls! Always agrees with YOUR interpretations of the >>>rules! Always approves YOUR ideas for new cards! Always sympathizes with YOUR >>>pet peeves about the game! Bring him to tournaments. Impress your friends. >>>(And when he doesn't preview what YOU want to see? INTO THE PIT WITH HIM!!!) >> >>Your ideas are intriguing and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. > > > omg colin he was being funny you tard why'd you think he was serious > ur an idiot1!!!!!111! I get the feeling I'm being typecast in this newsgroup!!!!!!11one11 --Colin McGuigan

>> omg colin he was being funny you tard why'd you think he was serious >> ur an idiot1!!!!!111! > > I get the feeling I'm being typecast in this newsgroup!!!!!!11one11 > > --Colin McGuigan Not possible, but I can't explain why for various reasons. You must be imagining things. Ankur omg ur so tarded

Ankur Gupta wrote: > Not possible, but I can't explain why for various reasons. You must be > imagining things. Tell you what. You let me be "so tarded", and I'll let you oust your prey and be "2nd place tarded". Deal? --Colin McGuigan

In message <cugaqs$phq$1...@oravannahka.helsinki.fi>, Teemu T Vilen <tvi...@cc.helsinki.fi> writes: >Black Annis, on the other hand is more of a rip-off. Annis, Beast.. both >!nossies, except Annis has the no-brainer protean and she's better in >rite about everything else. What I hate though, is the picture, which >reminds me mostly of bad Tales from the Crypt cover art that tried very >hard to look like B-rated camp. I'd hate dumping Beast for Annis, and >having to look at her. Am I the only one who doesn't see Annis as Beast (Oh no, two vampires with a rush action), but instead rather closer to Ebanezer Roush? ANI OBF POT pro, +2 stealth weenie pred/prey rush, 8 cap. -- James Coupe "Why do so many talented people turn out to be sexual PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D deviants? Why can't they just be normal like me and EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 look at internet pictures of men's cocks all day?" 13D7E668C3695D623D5D -- www.livejournal.com/users/scarletdemon/

"James Coupe" <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote in message news:KNWMVV7a...@gratiano.zephyr.org.uk... > In message <cugaqs$phq$1...@oravannahka.helsinki.fi>, Teemu T Vilen > <tvi...@cc.helsinki.fi> writes: > >Black Annis, on the other hand is more of a rip-off. Annis, Beast.. both > >!nossies, except Annis has the no-brainer protean and she's better in > >rite about everything else. What I hate though, is the picture, which > >reminds me mostly of bad Tales from the Crypt cover art that tried very > >hard to look like B-rated camp. I'd hate dumping Beast for Annis, and > >having to look at her. > > Am I the only one who doesn't see Annis as Beast (Oh no, two vampires > with a rush action), but instead rather closer to Ebanezer Roush? > > ANI OBF POT pro, +2 stealth weenie pred/prey rush, 8 cap. Well, Beast was just the group 2 version of Roush, to begin with, so there's no surprise there. :-) [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ wrote: > > Am I the only one who doesn't see Annis as Beast (Oh no, two vampires > > with a rush action), but instead rather closer to Ebanezer Roush? > > > Well, Beast was just the group 2 version of Roush, to begin with, > so there's no surprise there. :-) I take mild offense at the inclusion of the word 'just' in your statement. :P > LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, -John Flournoy -sometime-writer-of-the-!Nos-newsletter

[ quoted text not captured ] <points at Emmit Svenson> Goferit, tiger. --Colin McGuigan

> <points at Emmit Svenson> > > Goferit, tiger. Grrr. Rawr. Ankur