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2 things. 1st) vampires in the inactive region are not in play and hence "not in the game". Otherwise you could use her to transfer blood to vampires in the ash heap and the crypt also, both of which don't make any sense. 2nd) for a vampire in play, blood is a measure of vitality, how much more damage it can take etc. for an uncontrolled vampire in the inactive region, the # of counters on said vampire is a measure of how close to dominating that vampire you are. The two kinds of counters used are the same for convenience, but make no mistake about it, blood on a vampire in the inactive region is not the same as blood on a vampire in the active region. (well, at least as far as I know)

In article <3ca4b8$c...@news.acns.nwu.edu>, Josh Hsu <jo...@merle.acns.nwu.edu> wrote: >1st) vampires in the inactive region are not in play and hence "not in the >game". Otherwise you could use her to transfer blood to vampires in the ash >heap and the crypt also, both of which don't make any sense. No, uncontrolled vampires *are* in play. See rules section 11.1 (The Playing Area). The playing area has three regions, active, inactive, and torpor. The inactive region is where your uncontrolled vampires are, and it is defined as being in play. The Crypt and Ash Heap, however, are not part of this area, and are not 'in play'. | If you've got a hot lead on a new | *--Joe--* | PC game, call the announce line at | js...@vt.edu | ** csi...@discus.ise.vt.edu ** | +-------------------------------------+---------------------------------- "Carnivores, oy!" -- Timon, TLK

jo...@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Josh Hsu) writes: >2 things. >1st) vampires in the inactive region are not in play and hence "not in the >game". Otherwise you could use her to transfer blood to vampires in the ash >heap and the crypt also, both of which don't make any sense. Contested vampires are "out of the game" Uncontrolled vamps most certainly *are* in the game. witness: Govern the Unaligned: move n blood to an younger uncontrolled vamp The nth Tradition Accounting: move 3 blood to a younger uncontrolled vamp (and one other). I suppose I can't use these cards because it doesn't make sense to replace the word "uncontrolled" with "burned"? Hrmph. I think I'll continue playing the cards anyhow.

In article <3ca606$d...@solaris.cc.vt.edu> js...@megavolt.cc.vt.edu (Joe Cochran) writes: No, uncontrolled vampires *are* in play. See rules section 11.1 (The Playing Area). The playing area has three regions, active, inactive, and torpor. The inactive region is where your uncontrolled vampires are, and it is defined as being in play. The Crypt and Ash Heap, however, are not part of this area, and are not 'in play'. Vampires in the inactive region are not in play. I say this because there is a sub heading of 12.4: "Putting Vampires into play" (p.25 ) At the end of the influence phase, a vampire in your inactive region with as many blood counters on it as its blood capacity becomes controlled, is turned right-side up, and put into the active region...... I assume that a vampire must be in the active region or torpor to be considered in play.(ie. it came from the uncontrolled area "into play" during the influence phase) David P.S. Isn't there a card called "Anarch Betrayer" or something that has to do with an uncontrolled vampire? -- 42 is a scalar

In article <HAGN.94D...@dew.cs.odu.edu>, Dave J. Hagn <ha...@dew.cs.odu.edu> wrote: > No, uncontrolled vampires *are* in play. See rules section 11.1 (The > >Vampires in the inactive region are not in play. >I say this because there is a sub heading of 12.4: > "Putting Vampires into play" (p.25 ) > At the end of the influence phase, a vampire in your inactive > region with as many blood counters on it as its blood capacity > becomes controlled, is turned right-side up, and put into the > active region...... > >I assume that a vampire must be in the active region or torpor >to be considered in play.(ie. it came from the uncontrolled area >"into play" during the influence phase) Well, sub-heading aside, the actual text of the section you're quoting only states that you move the vampire from one region to another, where the regions are defined as part of the playing area from 11.1. The rules conflict here, so I guess that we really need to let Tom and the rules team tell us which is incorrect. Either 11.1 needs to be rewritten, or 12.4 needs a new subheading. [ quoted text not captured ]