Rules: "Political card - worth one vote"

Well, it's always the way. Some new person enters the circle of players, and we discover that his previous circle interpreted things a bit differently. So, to the mighty Wizards: 1) Does Cryptic Rider enable the vampire calling the vote to "tack on" the new vote to the old one, or does this require a seperate minion? (In other words, if you only have one minion, can you still use Cryptic Rider? Is it an action or an action modifier?) 2) (and more seriously) we have so far been playing the political cards as exchangeable for votes by any methuselah, including the one whose minion is calling the vote. Along comes the new person, and points out that the rules (17.1, sentence 5, P39) say: "Additional political cards can also be used by any of the *other* Methuselahs for votes." Is this correct? More importantly, this what was intended? (I say this because it makes a Ventrue voter much harder to play, and completely buttfucks the weenie voter, which is relying on political cards to get additional votes.) Simon --- "This too is meaningless, a chasing after the wind" -Ecclesiastes 4:16 si...@onechip.co.uk | Not affiliated to any religion | Not affiliated to any politics H (+44/0)1784 431998 | Not affiliated to any ideology W (+44/0)1784 434568 (GMT/BST) | What does that make me? "I have been asked to point out, as if you couldn't guess, that my rantings are not the opinions of One Chip Solutions. So now you know, don't you..?"

Simon Richardson <si...@onechip.co.uk> wrote: >1) Does Cryptic Rider enable the vampire calling the vote to "tack on" the >new vote to the old one, or does this require a seperate minion? (In other >words, if you only have one minion, can you still use Cryptic Rider? Is it >an action or an action modifier?) Cryptic Rider requires 2 minions; the first to use the card and call the first vote and the second to call the vote which (if not blocked) will pass automatically. It is like Charming Lobby which (being an action and not an action modifier like Cryptic Rider) requires *3* vampires; the first to call the vote, the second to perform the action "Charming Lobby" and the third to call the second vote >2) (and more seriously) we have so far been playing the political cards as >exchangeable for votes by any methuselah, including the one whose minion is >calling the vote. Along comes the new person, and points out that the rules >(17.1, sentence 5, P39) say: "Additional political cards can also be used by >any of the *other* Methuselahs for votes." Is this correct? More >importantly, this what was intended? This problem has been and will be source of endless dicussions in this newsgroup, but I think everywhere Jyhad is being played. The point is: the rulebook is not very clear abou this(even if some people say it is.. :)) and the official point (Tom) says you can use vote-pushing (that is, burning additional ploitical cards for votes also for the acting Meth; there has been an official RTR about this). The point is that many people here argue this makes one kind of deck (the weenie vote deck) too powerful and so there are house rules that say "one Meth one vote" (there are also other opinions out there, but I am summarizing). The official Torney rules have just destroyed (IMO) any kind of political deck by restricting to 2 per type all the direct-damage votes; KRC, CA, Ancilla empowerment and so on. So, play as you feel it...:( P.S.: I am not a grest Wizard, but I hope it will help as well ;) -- Luca "Democritus" Consoli Web page: http://imoax1.unimo.it/~consoli/ |-------------------------------------------| |" S'i fossi foco arderei lo mondo..." | |{ Were I Fire, I would burn the world..." |------------| | (Cecco Angiolieri, Italian poet)| |--------------------------------------------------------|

Consoli Luca <con...@c220.unimo.it> writes: >Cryptic Rider requires 2 minions; the first to use the card and call the first >vote and the second to call the vote which (if not blocked) will pass >automatically. It is like Charming Lobby which (being an action and not an >action modifier like Cryptic Rider) requires *3* vampires; the first to call >the vote, the second to perform the action "Charming Lobby" and the third to >call the second vote Actually, for Charming Lobby, the first vampire plays Lobby, the second calls the first vote, and the third calls the second vote. (You may be quoting the early DTR, which was in error): Subject: Design Team Rulings: 12/22/94 Date: 23 Dec 1994 08:42:47 GMT 5) Charming Lobby: This card requires three vampires to be effective. one to call the first vote, another to play Charming Lobby, and the third to call the third vote. This was corrected in Subject: *NEW* Official FAQ for Jyhad, April 95 version Date: 13 Apr 1995 01:16:26 GMT Charming Lobby: 1) This card requires three vampires to be effective: one to play Charming Lobby, another to call the first vote, and the third to call the second vote. 2) The vote must be succesfully called for it to pass. -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | These opinions are mine and http://www.math.sc.edu/~sjohnson | are subject to card text. Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. |