As a spinoff to the threads concerning trading and the charter:
<< As a community, the newsgroup here tends to allow limited trading posts,
and if the greater sum of the people in this newsgroup all want to turn
this into the jyhad marketplace, well then they can, and there is little
or nothing that can be done to prevent it.
Raille
>>
Okay. We all (or at least a lot of us) agree that overall, having the newsgroup
bombarded with trade posts is a bad thing. I don't mind a few here and there,
but too many will clutter things up.
Some people suggest that the traders use the marketplace newsgroup. Except
since no one really uses it as thus, it would be rather ineffective to use it
as such.
So...how about we create a new newsgroup devoted just for Jyhad trading? The
traders will now have a focused place where they can happily post about trades.
And the rest of us Jyhad players don't have to deal with many trade posts and,
when we need to, we can use that newsgroup as well. You may argue that there
already is the Succubus Club and the Communal Haven (which are both good). But
newsgroups and posting about trades might be more advantageous in some
circumstances.
So how about it? We create a new newsgroup for Jyhad trading? It'll also be
symbolic of the growing number of Jyhad/VTES players (we can gradually expand
or somethin').
Halcyan 2
>snip<> So...how about we create a new newsgroup devoted just for Jyhad trading?>snip<> So how about it? We create a new newsgroup for Jyhad trading?
I will throw in my name. It is just that from previous posting it is
apparent that getting a new news group started is a cumbersome thing.
I don't know the particulars, just from odd posts in the past. If
anyone is more knowledgeable in this matter, please let us know
why/why not this can happen.
LD
In message <20020108052350...@mb-me.aol.com>, Halcyan 2
<halc...@aol.com> writes:
>So how about it? We create a new newsgroup for Jyhad trading?
Given that you can't cite significant amounts of pre-existing traffic in
the current .marketplace group or alt.jyhad, you are unlikely to
convince the news.groupies of any significant utility for the group.
As a result, you really need about 150 people in favour. That's really
rather a lot.
--
James Coupe You remind me of the babe. What babe?
PGP 0x5D623D5D The babe with the power. What power?
EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 Power of voodoo. Who do?
13D7E668C3695D623D5D You do. Do what? Remind me of the babe.
>Given that you can't cite significant amounts of pre-existing traffic in
>the current .marketplace group or alt.jyhad, you are unlikely to
>convince the news.groupies of any significant utility for the group.
>
>As a result, you really need about 150 people in favour. That's really
>rather a lot.
150 people? I'm sure we could get that done. What do they have to do? Just sign
a petition? Fill out a form?
Those that are interested in trading via newsgroup will definitely be among the
150. And I'm sure some of the other newsgroupies could be convinced to join in
the effort, if only to keep the trade posts out of this newsgroup.
Halcyan 2
In message <20020108195052...@mb-cp.aol.com>, Halcyan 2
<halc...@aol.com> writes:
>>Given that you can't cite significant amounts of pre-existing traffic in
>>the current .marketplace group or alt.jyhad, you are unlikely to
>>convince the news.groupies of any significant utility for the group.
>>
>>As a result, you really need about 150 people in favour. That's really
>>rather a lot.>
>150 people? I'm sure we could get that done. What do they have to do? Just sign
>a petition? Fill out a form?
E-mail to the vote-taker. Search news.groups for items called CFVs.
(Call For Votes.)
One would note that getting people who are not interested in the
discussion to come and vote can be construed as attempts at vote fraud.
This is Not A Good Thing (tm).
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"Halcyan 2" <halc...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020108052350...@mb-me.aol.com...
> So how about it? We create a new newsgroup for Jyhad trading? It'll also
be
> symbolic of the growing number of Jyhad/VTES players (we can gradually
expand
> or somethin').
Title of thread: "Re: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhadmarketplace???"
I would say you'd be better off to make
rec.game.trading-cards.vtes
Then charter in trades so the charter stoogies would give it a rest, and we
wouldn't have to use a news group called "jyahd" anymore? Everybody wins!
By the way, is this the mystical charter everyone is talking about:
http://www.landfield.com/usenet/control/rec/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad
I am pretty sure someone could come up with that in all of 3 seconds for a
Vtes group.
All I can find is information that says: find a newsgroup that is called one
thing(jyhad) but used to talk about another(vtes)
Submit what you want the new group's name to be. Some people from the old
group go, "yeah, thats a sweet idea!" Then BAM you are in business with a
new group.
Is there any particular reason that White Wolf, as a company, has no
interest in people being able to locate the news group who furthers one of
the games it sells? There are new people out there that go: "Jyhad, what do
you mean the holy war?" and have never seen Jyhad backed cards. What would
ever promt them to look for a news group called 'Jyhad' when all that is
sold is VTES? Don't believe me, well I taught 3 people how to play V:TES at
Gencon and I know for sure they have never heard of anything called jyhad.
They though VTES was a brand spanking new game.
Its not like its a big deal, but people it is kind of like posting to
my.home.communistUSSR Then your country reorginizes and you want to change
your name to my.home.russianfed. Sure it's the same people, but the name
means something too.
--
Aaron
The Nosferatu Stuff
The Nosferatu Stuff wrote:
> What would
> ever promt them to look for a news group called 'Jyhad' when all that is
> sold is VTES?
Um, the rulebook (under "More Information").
--
LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc.
Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules:
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/
In message <a1gafs$qfk34$1...@ID-125246.news.dfncis.de>, The Nosferatu
Stuff <roans...@yahoo.com> writes:
>Is there any particular reason that White Wolf, as a company, has no
>interest in people being able to locate the news group who furthers one of
>the games it sells?
1) White Wolf can't just make a new newsgroup. That's not how it works.
2) Why do you think it's referenced in the rulesbooks?
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Halcyan wrote:
>>Some people suggest that the traders use the marketplace newsgroup. Except
since no one really uses it as thus, it would be rather ineffective to use it
as such.>>
This is silly circular logic. There exists a newsgroup specifically to trade
vtes cards on--rec.games.trading-cards.misc. No one uses it, and as a result,
it isn't real useful.
If people used it, it would be useful.
The way to get folks using it is to:
A) Start posting trade posts there.
B) Make folks aware that it is where to find trade posts for VTES.
Neither of these are difficult. A) is accomplished by instead of posting a VTES
trade post here, posting them there. B) is accomplished by putting in the FAQ
"go look for trades in the following newsgroup...", or by someone posting once
a month (or a week or something) a simple, short trade FAQ, that consists
mainly of "VTES trading is done in the following places..."
It is just as easy to get folks to use the marketplace.misc group as it would
be to get them to use a marketplace.vtes group. And you don't need to make a
new newsgroup.
>>So...how about we create a new newsgroup devoted just for Jyhad trading? >>
Rather than going through all the effort to start up a new newsgroup, which
isn't that easy, why not simply put half that effort into getting folks to use
the pre-existing appropriate newsgroup? If you can get people to use
rec.games.trading-cards.marketplace.vtes, you can just as easily get them to
use rec.games.trading-cards.marketplace.misc.
Peter D Bakija
PD...@aol.com
http://www.geocities.com/bakija6
"...and the only person I can stand to be around
is a neutered vampire who cheats at kitten poker!"
-Buffy
"James Coupe" <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote in message
news:3jUJDXzX$6O8...@gratiano.zephyr.org.uk...
> In message <a1gafs$qfk34$1...@ID-125246.news.dfncis.de>, The Nosferatu
> Stuff <roans...@yahoo.com> writes:
> >Is there any particular reason that White Wolf, as a company, has no
> >interest in people being able to locate the news group who furthers one
of
> >the games it sells?
>
> 1) White Wolf can't just make a new newsgroup. That's not how it works.
Thank you for playing state the obvious Mr Coupe. Maybe white wolf should
just add links to its pages on ever web site in existance, oh wait, thats
not how it works. But there sure isn't anything keeping white wolf from
saying; "man the reason the name of the game was changed in the first place
was to lower confusion and misunderstandings about something that appears to
have a different meaning to a good portion of the world, and officially
sponsering a news group by directing people to go there makes up look like
we are totally stupid? You mean its relativly easy to fix, sure lets do
it!" White Wolf can submit a request for a new group as well as anyone
else. Or they can have one of their net people do it. Maybe WW just
doesn't take VTES seriously?
Do you have specific love for the news group .jyhad or do you just not want
to update your newsreader?
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James Coupe wrote:
>
> As a result, you really need about 150 people in favour. That's really
> rather a lot.
>
Bunk.
Another of my groups. X-com, saw a well meaning renagage attempt to
straighten up the usenet by creating about a dozen new newgroups. We
had alt.games.x-com. He made a microprose.x-com group. Just because
he felt it made more sense. Of course none of the agx members bothered
to join it. That ng gets a post of two a month, but the uneducated.
Everyone eventually heads to agx simply cause there is traffic there.
The hardest part is figiuring out the complexities of creating a
newgroup. There is absolutly no requirement of having X people. Unless
X equals one, the creater. ;)
Raille
Peter D Bakija wrote:
> Rather than going through all the effort to start up a new newsgroup, which
> isn't that easy, why not simply put half that effort into getting folks to use
> the pre-existing appropriate newsgroup? If you can get people to use
> rec.games.trading-cards.marketplace.vtes, you can just as easily get them to
> use rec.games.trading-cards.marketplace.misc.
>
Well there is all the other misc posts in rgt-cmm which you have to
troll through, there are for what ever reason, a lot of magic cards
listed there. Mostly from stupid people who can't read, obviously.
I tend to fall into the type of personality that likes orginaization.
With the rebound in populatity of Vtes, we should make a trading card
forum.
Raille
In message <a1gffu$qp4g1$1...@ID-125246.news.dfncis.de>, The Nosferatu
Stuff <roans...@yahoo.com> writes:
>Thank you for playing state the obvious Mr Coupe. Maybe white wolf should
>just add links to its pages on ever web site in existance, oh wait, thats
>not how it works. But there sure isn't anything keeping white wolf from
>saying; "man the reason the name of the game was changed in the first place
>was to lower confusion and misunderstandings about something that appears to
>have a different meaning to a good portion of the world, and officially
>sponsering a news group by directing people to go there makes up look like
>we are totally stupid? You mean its relativly easy to fix, sure lets do
>it!"
news.groups generally does not take well to renaming groups, AFAIAC.
Re-organising hierarchies is one thing, renaming a group (which, in
reality, is done by the removal of one group and the creation of
another) is often seen as a purely cosmetic change. And there lies the
problem of "What happens if you change the name again?" which will
almost certainly be dragged up.
>White Wolf can submit a request for a new group as well as anyone
>else. Or they can have one of their net people do it.
News group creations which are done by companies heavily involved with
it are often looked down on within the Big Eight. Newsgroups which are
pushed through with such backing will probably have an easy ride.
The news.groupies will almost certainly come out in force to oppose such
a proposal.
>Maybe WW just
>doesn't take VTES seriously?
Perhaps White Wolf and their friends understand the processes rather
better than you think?
>Do you have specific love for the news group .jyhad or do you just not want
>to update your newsreader?
That the group .jyhad is now referenced in thousands of rulesbooks
circulating out there and can be found trivially on the White Wolf web
site means it isn't very hard to find. Indeed, one might argue that
"vtes" might not be the easiest thing for new players to find who might
consider themselves as playing "vampire". But they can look in the
rulesbook too.
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In message <3C3C1FD2...@mich.com>, Raille <rai...@mich.com>
writes:
>> As a result, you really need about 150 people in favour. That's really
>> rather a lot.>
>Bunk.
>
>Another of my groups. X-com, saw a well meaning renagage attempt to
>straighten up the usenet by creating about a dozen new newgroups. We
>had alt.games.x-com. He made a microprose.x-com group.
You are talking about other hierarchies entirely. Big Eight procedures
do not apply to alt.*, nor to many other hierarchies. (The Big Eight
comprises rec.*, soc.*, sci.*, humanities.*, comp.*, misc.*, news.* and
talk.*) Though many other hierarchies have rules on creation - taking
ones I know reasonably well, uk.*, wales.*, ie.* and so on.
The proposal at hand is to create a group within rec.*. This operates
really rather differently to your assertion of "Bunk" and it would
probably aid you to find out the differences.
(For instance, groups within alt.* will have limited propagation,
certainly of the automatic kind.)
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I'll toss my vote in for the creation of a rec.games.trading-cards.VTES
group to replace/enhance this one.
Jyhad is dead, long live VTES
Bernie
"Raille" <rai...@mich.com> wrote in message
news:3C3C2177...@mich.com...
> Well there is all the other misc posts in rgt-cmm which you have to
> troll through, there are for what ever reason, a lot of magic cards
> listed there. Mostly from stupid people who can't read, obviously.
True. However, posters could put something like [VTES] or [JYHAD] in the
subject line. Then you could just browse through, and see if there are any
in there that match what you're looking for.
As a matter of fact, I may just do this later today, when I get a few other
trades sorted out.
> I tend to fall into the type of personality that likes orginaization.
> With the rebound in populatity of Vtes, we should make a trading card
> forum.
I tend to agree with Peter that a forum for this already exists, and maybe
if we used it, it would work just fine. That being said, I certainly won't
oppose anyone trying to push through a new group.
Xian
"The Nosferatu Stuff" <roans...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<a1gafs$qfk34$1...@ID-125246.news.dfncis.de>...
>
> I would say you'd be better off to make
> rec.game.trading-cards.vtes
> Then charter in trades so the charter stoogies would give it a rest, and we
> wouldn't have to use a news group called "jyahd" anymore? Everybody wins!
>
Yay! The worst of both worlds. People who want to discuss the game
have to sit through gigabytes of trade posts, *plus* we have to go to
a whole new newsgroup. Want to find that recent article on Well-Aimed
Parking Meter? That's in r.g.t-c.vtes. Want to find that old article
on why Pulled Fangs shouldn't do agg damage? That's in r.g.t-c.jyhad.
Want to find the article on that killer Salubri-Nos vote deck? Well,
I can't remember if that was before or after the switch, so I guess I
have to check both. Might as well check r.g.deckmaster while you're
at it, and alt.jyhad.
> By the way, is this the mystical charter everyone is talking about:
> http://www.landfield.com/usenet/control/rec/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad
> I am pretty sure someone could come up with that in all of 3 seconds for a
> Vtes group.
>
Sure you can. Now try to get that approved (and I'll bet a bazillion
jillion dollars that if you add marketplace activities to the charter,
it'll get voted down in less time than you can *spell* jyhad, much
less change the name). The reason USENET works is because yahoos like
you can't push these things through without a little bit of work and a
vote. Unfortunately, there be little that can be done about people
spam-posting offtopic stuff and trades to this newsgroup, but at least
we can try.
> All I can find is information that says: find a newsgroup that is called one
> thing(jyhad) but used to talk about another(vtes)
>
I use the newsgroup to talk about jyhad. I'm not interested in the
politically-correct market-safe reasoning that led to renaming the
game and misprinting all the new card backs.
"Xian" <xi...@waste.org> wrote in message
news:a1ibth$qssp8$1...@ID-123937.news.dfncis.de...
[rec.games.trading-cards.marketplace.misc]
> True. However, posters could put something like [VTES] or [JYHAD] in the
> subject line. Then you could just browse through, and see if there are
any
> in there that match what you're looking for.
Looking into it, it appears that the volume per day is pretty low. I
wouldn't suspect that it would be too much trouble to monitor that group as
well.
Xian
James Coupe wrote:
> You are talking about other hierarchies entirely. Big Eight procedures
> do not apply to alt.*, nor to many other hierarchies. (The Big Eight
> comprises rec.*, soc.*, sci.*, humanities.*, comp.*, misc.*, news.* and
> talk.*) Though many other hierarchies have rules on creation - taking
> ones I know reasonably well, uk.*, wales.*, ie.* and so on.
>
> The proposal at hand is to create a group within rec.*. This operates
> really rather differently to your assertion of "Bunk" and it would
> probably aid you to find out the differences.
>
> (For instance, groups within alt.* will have limited propagation,
> certainly of the automatic kind.)
>
He shoots, he scores. I take back the *bunk* comment. While I act like
it, I really don't know everything.
Raille
On 09 Jan 2002 03:30:27 GMT, Peter D Bakija wrote:
>There exists a newsgroup specifically to trade
>vtes cards on--rec.games.trading-cards.misc. No one uses it,
>and as a result, it isn't real useful.
No doubt you mean rec.games.trading-cards.marketplace.misc.
People do actually use it. I checked just now and saw several
interesting posts, one of which I may follow up to buy some singles.
There's Vampire traffic too - I see someone selling a complete mint
Jyhad collection, for example.
One benefit of doing this in the proper place is that there's scope to
trade one CCG for another. Trade works best amongst those who value
goods differently.
Andrew
In article <a1ibth$qssp8$1...@ID-123937.news.dfncis.de>, "Xian"
<xi...@waste.org> wrote:
> True. However, posters could put something like [VTES] or [JYHAD] in
> the subject line. Then you could just browse through, and see if there
> are any in there that match what you're looking for.
This is the best thing to do. Any halfway decent newsreader allows you
to define filters based on the subject line.
I've just turned this on, and now the messy marketplace is incredibly
clean, showing only 3 relevant posts.
Francois
Halcyan 2 wrote:
>
> As a spinoff to the threads concerning trading and the charter:
...
> So how about it? We create a new newsgroup for Jyhad trading? It'll also be
> symbolic of the growing number of Jyhad/VTES players (we can gradually expand
> or somethin').
The only such proposal that would make any sense would be
to fit the new newsgroup into the spot it logically belongs
in the trading-card hierarchy:
rec.games.trading-cards.marketplace.jyhad
My sense for it is that even this would tend to draw some
opposition by people who would say Jyhad isn't important
enough to have its own separate marketplace group. But, if
you wish to take the time and trouble to sponsor the proposal,
the newsgroup vote will resolve that issue. I guess I couldn't
see any reason to oppose it, if it solved everyone's problems.
You could make the argument that since White Wolf revived the
game and it's had three expansions in a little over a year, the
secondary and trade markets for this game have mushroomed.
Don't know if that argument would go over but as a frequent
EBAY buyer, I'd be happy to drop in on news.announce.newusers
and vouch for it. For what it's worth.
Fred
The Nosferatu Stuff wrote:
>
> I would say you'd be better off to make
> rec.game.trading-cards.vtes
> Then charter in trades so the charter stoogies would give it a rest, and we
> wouldn't have to use a news group called "jyahd" anymore? Everybody wins!
As I've said before, this I would absolutely oppose - as opposed to the
separate (correctly created) marketplce.jyhad group. The reason is that
it would cause confusion to allow trades and sales in *one* trading-cards
group and prohibit them in all the other t-c discussion (non-marketplace)
groups.
Right now, the rule is easy to understand: sales and trades, go somewhere
in rec.games.trading-cards.marketplace.*. Discussion, go anywhere else.
We start mixing that and no one will know what the rule is.
Fred
Peter D Bakija wrote:
>
> Halcyan wrote:
> >>Some people suggest that the traders use the marketplace newsgroup. Except
> since no one really uses it as thus, it would be rather ineffective to use it
> as such.>>
>
> This is silly circular logic. There exists a newsgroup specifically to trade
> vtes cards on--rec.games.trading-cards.misc. No one uses it, and as a result,
> it isn't real useful.
Actually, it's not entirely circular. I think people finding their posts
drowning in the marketplace posts of separate games would be cited as the
reason it's not used. Indeed, getting a separate newsgroup in which to discuss
your own specific subject so that such discussion need not compete with other
traffic in a common newsgroup is an entirely legitimate reason to have a separate
one.
However, I agree with the gist of your objection - that the amount of traffic such
a newsgroup would generate would be highly questionable, given that such traffic -
both in legitimate and illegitimate places - right now is so lacking. Usually, the
argument for splitting different types of traffic out of a common newsgroup
has to involve an element of benefit to the newsgroup that won't have to support
that traffic any more as well as to the one that's created. In this case, you
could move the Jyhad traffic out of r.g.t-c.marketplace.misc and I doubt anyone
would notice. That's not a good place to start with a proposal.
Fred
In message <3C3DE458...@removethis.com>, Frederick Scott
<freds64_at_...@removethis.com> writes:
>Don't know if that argument would go over but as a frequent
>EBAY buyer, I'd be happy to drop in on news.announce.newusers
>and vouch for it. For what it's worth.
Dropping in on news.announce.newusers would be worth very, very little
indeed for all practical purposes regarding this.
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James Coupe wrote:
>
> In message <3C3DE458...@removethis.com>, Frederick Scott
> <freds64_at_...@removethis.com> writes:
> >Don't know if that argument would go over but as a frequent
> >EBAY buyer, I'd be happy to drop in on news.announce.newusers
> >and vouch for it. For what it's worth.
>
> Dropping in on news.announce.newusers would be worth very, very little
> indeed for all practical purposes regarding this.
Oops. I meant news.announce.newgroups - where I believe discussion of
new groups proposals take place.
Thinking about it some more, though, I'm afraid Peter's point is
what will effectively doom any such proposal, however much I like it.
Fred
In message <3C3DF32E...@removethis.com>, Frederick Scott
<freds64_at_...@removethis.com> writes:
>> Dropping in on news.announce.newusers would be worth very, very little
>> indeed for all practical purposes regarding this.>
>Oops. I meant news.announce.newgroups - where I believe discussion of
>new groups proposals take place.
Dropping in on news.announce.newgroups will find very little discussion
of new groups proposals taking place.
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"James Coupe" <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote in message
news:1V9peR82...@gratiano.zephyr.org.uk...
> In message <3C3DF32E...@removethis.com>, Frederick Scott
> <freds64_at_...@removethis.com> writes:> >Oops. I meant news.announce.newgroups - where I believe discussion of
> >new groups proposals take place.
>
> Dropping in on news.announce.newgroups will find very little discussion
> of new groups proposals taking place.
Whatever! Is this point Jyhad-related? Then could you discuss
it in email please? Thank you. :-)
Josh
In message <a1ktdd$rbfqv$1...@ID-121616.news.dfncis.de>, Joshua Duffin
<duff...@bls.gov> writes:
>> >Oops. I meant news.announce.newgroups - where I believe discussion of
>> >new groups proposals take place.
>>
>> Dropping in on news.announce.newgroups will find very little discussion
>> of new groups proposals taking place.>
>Whatever! Is this point Jyhad-related? Then could you discuss
>it in email please? Thank you. :-)
The creation of a new Jyhad related group would seem to be Jyhad
related, yes.
YMMV.
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"James Coupe" <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote in message
news:xb+ItxH6...@gratiano.zephyr.org.uk...
> In message <a1ktdd$rbfqv$1...@ID-121616.news.dfncis.de>, Joshua Duffin
> <duff...@bls.gov> writes:
> >> >Oops. I meant news.announce.newgroups - where I believe discussion of
> >> >new groups proposals take place.
> >>
> >> Dropping in on news.announce.newgroups will find very little discussion
> >> of new groups proposals taking place.
> >
> >Whatever! Is this point Jyhad-related? Then could you discuss
> >it in email please? Thank you. :-)
>
> The creation of a new Jyhad related group would seem to be Jyhad
> related, yes.
The content of news.announce newsgroups, on the other hand, is
not at all, and that's what the last few messages in this thread
have been about. If you were actually talking about Jyhad
related newsgroups (current or potential), I'd see your point.
> YMMV.
It certainly seems to be varying, yes.
Josh
this is not a signature
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This part is *exactly* why I tend to have (and recommend other
people have) some tolerance and will be quite slow on the trigger
complaining about off-topic posts.
The fact is that many MANY threads (not just cross-posted ones, BTW)
begin on-topic and then _arguably_ wander off into an area of discussion
that may not technically be as per charter or one of the invisible
(discussion about newsgroup discussion content) subjects that's per
charter. This is a classic case: James correcting an error I'd made
in the course of discussing my position on creating a new Jyhad
newsgroup. For crying out loud, it amounted to two small posts that
extended logically from the discussion. If people start trying to
police this and continue to do so diligently, there's going to be far
more needless contentless posting going on than any problem we have
going on right now with trade posts.
I'm starting to think I've helped create a monster by raising the issue
of off-topic trade posts. People shouldn't deliberately start threads
that they know to be off-topic and they certainly shouldn't demand the
right to start an off-topic thread whenever they feel like it. But if a
current thread starts to wander, logically but inevitably into something
that isn't technically on-topic, leave it be, please! It'll die out
sooner or later. It's not a good cause for sitting around sniping at
each other.
Fred
In message <a1l0ut$rgbgu$1...@ID-121616.news.dfncis.de>, Joshua Duffin
<duff...@bls.gov> writes:
>> >> Dropping in on news.announce.newgroups will find very little discussion
>> >> of new groups proposals taking place.
>> >
>> >Whatever! Is this point Jyhad-related? Then could you discuss
>> >it in email please? Thank you. :-)
>>
>> The creation of a new Jyhad related group would seem to be Jyhad
>> related, yes.>
>The content of news.announce newsgroups, on the other hand, is
>not at all, and that's what the last few messages in this thread
>have been about. If you were actually talking about Jyhad
>related newsgroups (current or potential), I'd see your point.
I am unsure as to how discussing how to set up the proposed new
newsgroup does not qualify.
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"Frederick Scott" <freds64_at_...@removethis.com> wrote in message
news:3C3E0F27...@removethis.com...
[snip silliness]
> This part is *exactly* why I tend to have (and recommend other
> people have) some tolerance and will be quite slow on the trigger
> complaining about off-topic posts.
OK, OK, I'm sorry. :-)
I was just unhappy seeing so little traffic on the newsgroup
and then when some posts actually show up, they're not even
about Jyhad. :-)
Josh
"Raille" <rai...@mich.com> wrote in message
news:3C3EF713...@mich.com...
>
> You must be missing a lot of posts, or have andrew in your kill file.
>
> I'm seeing 100+ posts every day.
Well, no, although posts from Google to seem to sometimes show
up quite a bit late. About a hundred a day sounds about right.
It's just that right at that moment, there hadn't been more
than two or three for about two or three hours. Since I was
bored, this was disappointing...
And now I'll stop, as this has very little to do with Jyhad
as well. :-)
Josh
you hear me talkin'
"Halcyan 2" <halc...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020108052350...@mb-me.aol.com...
> As a spinoff to the threads concerning trading and the charter:> Some people suggest that the traders use the marketplace newsgroup.> Except since no one really uses it as thus, it would be rather
> ineffective to use it as such.> So...how about we create a new newsgroup devoted just for Jyhad
> trading? The traders will now have a focused place where they can
> happily post about trades.
<rant>
Two things.
You need ~150 people to start a new newsgroup.
Fewer than 25 people could even be bothered to sign up to
a mailing list that is exclusively for trades.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VTES_Trading/
This could be fairly indicative of the absence of any need
for a newsgroup dedicated to trading VTES, also indicative,
would be the fact that _none_ of the people claiming that
posts about trades were "useful" to them signed up.
</rant>
Go make some trades.
Carpe noctem.
Lasombra
http://www.TheLasombra.com
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