[LSJ] Changing 0 votes?

Can i play, say, Kindred manipulation to change the votes of a vampire with no votes currently to votes of my choice (thus ensuring that if they later play a dread gaze or something they're voting my way)? what about if the vampire has votes but hasn't cast them, can i change them then? if so, will it have an effect if they don't actually cast those votes they've gained? thanks, salem domain:canberra http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/vtes.htm

salem wrote: > Can i play, say, Kindred manipulation to change the votes of a vampire > with no votes currently to votes of my choice (thus ensuring that if > they later play a dread gaze or something they're voting my way)? > > what about if the vampire has votes but hasn't cast them, can i change > them then? if so, will it have an effect if they don't actually cast > those votes they've gained? You cannot force an abstaining vampire to vote with Kindred Manipulation. You can play Kindred Manipulation on a vampire that has not yet voted as a restriction on the way in which that vampire can vote, but doing do won't force him to cast any votes. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:50:03 -0400, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> scrawled: >salem wrote: >> Can i play, say, Kindred manipulation to change the votes of a vampire >> with no votes currently to votes of my choice (thus ensuring that if >> they later play a dread gaze or something they're voting my way)? >> >> what about if the vampire has votes but hasn't cast them, can i change >> them then? if so, will it have an effect if they don't actually cast >> those votes they've gained? > >You cannot force an abstaining vampire to vote with Kindred Manipulation. >You can play Kindred Manipulation on a vampire that has not yet voted >as a restriction on the way in which that vampire can vote, but doing do >won't force him to cast any votes. so it's ok to play Kindred Coercion on, say, Mustafa, as a card cycle? (and if he happens to play a Surprise Influence afterwards (which would indeed be surprising), then he'd be restricted to casting the votes the way that the Coecion set) [ quoted text not captured ]

salem wrote: > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:50:03 -0400, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> > scrawled: >>You cannot force an abstaining vampire to vote with Kindred Manipulation. >>You can play Kindred Manipulation on a vampire that has not yet voted >>as a restriction on the way in which that vampire can vote, but doing do >>won't force him to cast any votes. > > so it's ok to play Kindred Coercion on, say, Mustafa, as a card cycle? > (and if he happens to play a Surprise Influence afterwards (which > would indeed be surprising), then he'd be restricted to casting the > votes the way that the Coecion set) Yes. [ quoted text not captured ]