Compel the Spirit (clarification needed)

If I have anyone with supieror Necromancy can they bring allies from the graveyard that they normally wouldn't be able to play? like a Giovanni bringing out an Escaped Mental Patient or a Muddled Vampire Hunter... Please just clear this up for me cause I think he can bring them out cause he isn't recruiting them but some of my friends think the clan spacific ruling for playing them from your hand should still apply Dark Howler

Dark Howler wrote: > > If I have anyone with supieror Necromancy can they bring allies from the > graveyard that they normally wouldn't be able to play? Yes, so long as the ally was burned from play (not merely discarded from your hand) since your last turn. > like a Giovanni bringing out an Escaped Mental Patient or a Muddled Vampire > Hunter... Yes. > Please just clear this up for me cause I think he can bring them out cause > he isn't recruiting them but some of my friends think the clan spacific > ruling for playing them from your hand should still apply Compel the Spirit uses the "Move" terminology (not the "employ" or "recruit" terminology), indicating that the requirements (if any) of the card have no bearing. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

vte...@white-wolf.com (LSJ) wrote in <3ABF2C62...@white-wolf.com>: >Dark Howler wrote: >> >> If I have anyone with supieror Necromancy can they bring allies from >> the graveyard that they normally wouldn't be able to play? > >Yes, so long as the ally was burned from play (not merely discarded from >your hand) since your last turn. > Would then if you had one mental patient burnt from play and then you brought him back and he was burnt again and you had thrown one from your hand could you then legally bring 2 with compels since you have technically had 2 distroyed from play?

[ quoted text not captured ] No, that would be 3 compels for 2 burned allies. [ quoted text not captured ]

-- "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3AC0A040...@white-wolf.com... > Dark Howler wrote: > > > > vte...@white-wolf.com (LSJ) wrote in <3ABF2C62...@white-wolf.com>: > > > > >Dark Howler wrote: > > >> > > >> If I have anyone with supieror Necromancy can they bring allies from > > >> the graveyard that they normally wouldn't be able to play? > > > > > >Yes, so long as the ally was burned from play (not merely discarded from > > >your hand) since your last turn. > > > > > > > Would then if you had one mental patient burnt from play and then you > > brought him back and he was burnt again and you had thrown one from your > > hand could you then legally bring 2 with compels since you have technically > > had 2 distroyed from play? > > No, that would be 3 compels for 2 burned allies. Hmmm I'm not sur,e but iof I make a Far Mastery on an ally and take control of it and then it's burnt, doesn't it get returned to the original player's ashheap? I so, can I compel it still?

Roger Carhult wrote: > > > Hmmm I'm not sur,e but iof I make a Far Mastery on an ally and take control > of it and then it's burnt, doesn't it get returned to the original player's > ashheap? I so, can I compel it still? No. The Ally must be in your ash heap to compel. This has been clarified with respect to Kherebutu that shuffles itself into the library when burnt. There are a couple strange corner cases that allow you to place a card belonging to someone else into your ash heap, but I suspect a scenario where an Ally was stolen, then burnt, then retrieved from the other ash heap, and then placed in your ash heap, and then compelled into play is a remote one at best. I don't think you could even use the succubus club to "trade" ash heaps because (my understanding is that) the ash heap would revert back to it's rightful owner as soon as the trade is completed. Rob Grau rfg...@eos.ncsu.edu

Robert Franklin Grau wrote: > Roger Carhult wrote: > > Hmmm I'm not sur,e but iof I make a Far Mastery on an ally and take control > > of it and then it's burnt, doesn't it get returned to the original player's > > ashheap? Yes. [1.1.2] > [If] so, can I compel it still? > > No. The Ally must be in your ash heap to compel. This has been clarified > with respect to Kherebutu that shuffles itself into the library when > burnt. Correct, by card text. > I don't think you could even use the succubus club to "trade" ash heaps > because (my understanding is that) the ash heap would revert back to > it's rightful owner as soon as the trade is completed. You cannot use SC to trade ash heaps because you can't - the ash heap is not composed of pool, cards in your hand, nor cards in play. SC can only enable the trade of those three things. [ quoted text not captured ]

The cards: Compel the Spirit: Action, Necromancy, 1 blood 1 stealth action. Only usable if a retainer or ally you control has been burned since your last turn. Move the card from your ash heap to your hand. (S) As above, but you may move the ally or retainer to the ready region without paying the cost to put him or her in play. If a retainer is chosen, he or she must be placed on the acting minion. War Ghoul: Ally, Tzimisce, 3 pool Ally with 5 life. 4 strength, 0 bleed. When War Ghoul enters play, burn an ally or retainer you control. She can enter combat with any vampire controlled by another Methuselah as a (D) action. She may prevent 1 damage each round. Tap and burn War Ghoul to burn any location; you cannot use this ability during combat. The questions: 1. Is the 'burn an ally or retainer' clause of War Ghoul considered to be a cost? (IOW: do you have to burn a retainer/ally when you CtS (at Sup.) of a War Ghoul?) 2. War ghoul is a she? :-o Jeroen

Jeroen wrote: > Compel the Spirit: Action, Necromancy, 1 blood [...] > War Ghoul: Ally, Tzimisce, 3 pool > Ally with 5 life. 4 strength, 0 bleed. When War Ghoul enters play, burn an ally > or retainer you control. She can enter combat with any vampire controlled by [...] > > The questions: > 1. Is the 'burn an ally or retainer' clause of War Ghoul considered to be a > cost? No. It is an effect that happens "when" the War Ghoul enters play (not "to put" the War Ghoul into play). > (IOW: do you have to burn a retainer/ally when you CtS (at Sup.) of a War > Ghoul?) Yes. [ quoted text not captured ]

"Jeroen" <Jeroen...@newsranger.com> wrote > 2. War ghoul is a she? :-o War Ghoul is a 'them'. It's a composite of about ten or so ghouls, usually human, fleshcrafted together into a monstrous, mindless, angry... thing. Suffice to say it is considered a breach of the Masquerade.

[ quoted text not captured ] Not unlike saying a nuclear bomb going off makes noise. -- Pat Ricochet Soul Jar'rn Fool of Atlanta

"Wes" <gh...@mnsi.net> wrote in message news:99uhr...@enews4.newsguy.com... > > "Jeroen" <Jeroen...@newsranger.com> wrote > > > 2. War ghoul is a she? :-o > > War Ghoul is a 'them'. It's a composite of about ten or so ghouls, usually > human, fleshcrafted together into a monstrous, mindless, angry... thing. > I know. But hey use 'she' in the card text. > Suffice to say it is considered a breach of the Masquerade. > DUH!

What if you use Death of my conciance to "burn" cards from your hand... can you then compel them into play if there were some allies that were burnt? Dark Howler

[ quoted text not captured ] No. See card text and my response to your initial message that began this thread. [ quoted text not captured ]

vte...@white-wolf.com (LSJ) wrote in <3AC32E7F...@white-wolf.com>: >Dark Howler wrote: >> >> What if you use Death of my conciance to "burn" cards from your >> hand... can you then compel them into play if there were some allies >> that were burnt? >> >> Dark Howler > >No. See card text and my response to your initial message that began >this thread. > hehehehe I'm just trying to find a way of having HEAPS of mental paitents on the table... who wouldn't want the lunitics running the asylum? Dark Howler

hello On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 06:30:49 -0500, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >Jeroen wrote: >> Compel the Spirit: Action, Necromancy, 1 blood [...] >> War Ghoul: Ally, Tzimisce, 3 pool >> Ally with 5 life. 4 strength, 0 bleed. When War Ghoul enters play, burn an ally >> or retainer you control. She can enter combat with any vampire controlled by [...] >> >> The questions: >> 1. Is the 'burn an ally or retainer' clause of War Ghoul considered to be a >> cost? > >No. It is an effect that happens "when" the War Ghoul enters play (not "to put" the >War Ghoul into play). so you can put the war ghoul in play when you don't have retainers or allys in play? burning no retainer/ally *confused* >> (IOW: do you have to burn a retainer/ally when you CtS (at Sup.) of a War >> Ghoul?) >Yes. what card is CtS? *more confused* bye! Geb

Geb <1gan...@teleline.es> was confused. > hello Hi. > > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 06:30:49 -0500, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> > >> Compel the Spirit: Action, Necromancy, 1 blood [...] > >> War Ghoul: Ally, Tzimisce, 3 pool > >> Ally with 5 life. 4 strength, 0 bleed. When War Ghoul enters play, burn an ally > >> or retainer you control. She can enter combat with any vampire controlled by [...] > >> > >> The questions: > >> 1. Is the 'burn an ally or retainer' clause of War Ghoul considered to be a > >> cost? > > > >No. It is an effect that happens "when" the War Ghoul enters play (not "to put" the > >War Ghoul into play). > > so you can put the war ghoul in play when you don't have retainers or > allys in play? burning no retainer/ally *confused* Yes you can put the War Ghoul into play without any retainers or allies already in play, unfortunately, the War Ghoul is then burned immediately to satisfy its own card text. See http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulings.html: "If you have no other allies and no retainers in play when War Ghoul is recruited, then you burn War Ghoul to satisfy card text. [RTR 19961113] " > >> (IOW: do you have to burn a retainer/ally when you CtS (at Sup.) of a War > >> Ghoul?) > >Yes. > > what card is CtS? *more confused* C for Compel t for the S for Spirit The whole point of the original post and the title of the thread. Compel the Spirit > bye! Hasta. Carpe Noctem. Lasombra http://www.TheLasombra.com

>> Suffice to say it is considered a breach of the Masquerade. > haha > Not unlike saying a nuclear bomb going off makes noise. > but if no one survives to tell whether they heard it or not, did it make noise? Skippy Malk-Anti The crazy Aggie

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