+1 stealth action, cost 1 blood
dom: add 1 blood to a vampire you control
obe: burn a card on an ally or younger vampire in your ready region
OBE: as obe, abd untap this vampire at the end of the turn.
this card is Rare, I don't know if it will be really played (one or 2 per
deck maybe...)
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A lot? Since it applies only to a vampire in your ready region probably
you'll see few in the Salubri decks. Depends a bit on the game
environment
you're playing (with plenty of Ravnos, etc).
IMO (without knowing the rest of LoB new cards) this card doesn't bring
anything new, highly playable and needed to make the Salubri more
interesting and/or efficient. It's a corner case card. The combination
with Dominate it's ok to match Spirit Marionette card, but its effect
isn't interesting at all. At least the other vampire should gain 2
blood...
.- Luis Duarte
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I agree with you mostly Luis. Question : can the action be done to burn
"0" card on an ally ? Could be a way to untap him...
Orpheus, Necromonger
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I think "this" refers to the acting vampire so you will untap the acting
vampire (if he has OBE) at the end of the turn. If it would refer to the
other ally/vampire it would be "that". But then again I could be wrong.
Johannes Walch wrote:
> Orpheus wrote:
> > I agree with you mostly Luis. Question : can the action be done to burn
> > "0" card on an ally ? Could be a way to untap him...
>
> I think "this" refers to the acting vampire so you will untap the acting
> vampire (if he has OBE) at the end of the turn. If it would refer to the
> other ally/vampire it would be "that". But then again I could be wrong.
The card's text does actually use 'that minion' not 'this minion', so
it does untap the one on whom you burn a card.
-John Flournoy
<PaulW...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129546437.7...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> Will be used alot to remove Sensory deprivation, Memories of mortality,
> Fame etc. Just to bad the dominate version of the card will never be
> used
>
Note that it says "younger vampire". So the card will be fairly useless
because any clever player will put Fame, Sensory Deprivation etc. on the
oldest vampire or the vampire with Obeah.
At least not a power rare. You will need the card maybe once for your
binder.
regards
pallando
---------------------
pallando(at)gmx(dot)at
The card (in superior OBE) states "untap that minion", the target of
the action.
Since it requires a younger vampire it can't be played on himself (the
acting) to
untap.
Orpheus: i believe you can't play Cleansing Ritual without a target
just
to untap. In that case you don't have condition to be able to play the
card.
.- Luis Duarte
Aaron Dugan wrote:
> this card is Rare, I don't know if it will be really played (one or 2 per
> deck maybe...)
'Cause you never see Fame, Haven Uncovered, Sensory Deprivation, Pentex
Subversion, Pulled Fangs, Disarm, Seeds of Corruption, or Temptation in
play?
-Peter
<pd...@lightlink.com> a écrit dans le message de
news:1129555964.8...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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Yes, that's why I said: one or 2 per deck maybe... It was to say that's to
me it's a little bit disappointing.
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Or Contract, Anathema, Mercy for Seth, Society of Leopold, Derange,
Vampiric Disease, XTC Laced Blood, The Haunting, Haqim's Law: Judgement
and tons of others. Note that even if some are removable by its own
card text, Cleansing Ritual allows one to circumvent the requirements
for that removal - and still untap the affected vampire in that turn.
Not to mention that it serves to get rid of a card that would be
floating around the table like Derange or SoL. And finally, a good
bunch of these cards cannot be removed AT ALL except by Cleansing
Ritual or the ousting of the controlling player.
So if you're playing Matthias and Arika, and Arika gained a SoL, you
don't lose a turn to move the Society - Arika does what she must (a
vote or whatever), Matthias burns the Society. No delay in your game.
I'd expect to have at least one card played by another Meth on one of
my vampires every single game.
Other possible use for Cleansing Ritual is as a Precog Mobility of
sorts for free in any deck that uses cards that are put in play, but
become useless in short time or will burn themselves anyway - like Ex
Nihilo or Khabar: Glory. Bleed with an Assamite for +1, and if you
can't oust now, play Cleansing Ritual to burn the Glory on the Assamite
and untap him to block. I'm sure there's other cards out there you
could team up with Cleansing this way.
I'd want at least 2 copies for each Salubri deck I build anytime.
best,
Fabio "Sooner" Macedo
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Your forgetting the cpacity restriction in your analysis.
It is the cap problem that makes this card sub optimal IMO, as normally
its the larger vampires that have those nasty cards played on them, as
you show in your examples...
I doubt I will use it personally.
-ant
> So if you're playing Matthias and Arika, and Arika gained a SoL, you
> don't lose a turn to move the Society - Arika does what she must (a
> vote or whatever), Matthias burns the Society. No delay in your game.
>
It's on a younger vampire. And Matthias is 'only' 7. A limitation that
won't make this card playable in every case.
"Fabio 'Sooner' Macedo" <fabio....@gmail.com> wrote
>
> So if you're playing Matthias and Arika, and Arika gained a SoL, you
> don't lose a turn to move the Society - Arika does what she must (a
> vote or whatever), Matthias burns the Society. No delay in your game.
And then someone would call you a Big Cheater... Arika is older than
Matthias :)
Cheers,
WES
>> 'Cause you never see Fame, Haven Uncovered, Sensory Deprivation, Pentex
>> Subversion, Pulled Fangs, Disarm, Seeds of Corruption, or Temptation in
>> play?
>> -Peter>
> Or Contract, Anathema, Mercy for Seth, Society of Leopold, Derange,
> Vampiric Disease,
Vampiric Disease is never actually put on anyone. It puts a counter on a
vampire, defines the nature of that counter, and then lands in the Ash
Heap.
-Gregory Stuart Pettigrew
I just got back from my ("second") wedding, and of course I went
straight to today's preview.
Interesting thought for using this card:
Play Ghouled on a mortal ally when you recruit him.
Then use this as a free untap later. :)
Jozxyqk wrote:
> Interesting thought for using this card:
> Play Ghouled on a mortal ally when you recruit him.
> Then use this as a free untap later. :)
I will use this a lot in salubri/tzimisce bauble deck, no need to bring
many small tzimisces into play anymore... :P
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Ooops. :)
One can call me a dealbreaker, I don't care, but cheater, no! :-P
Well, despite the fact that some pointed out "these cards tend to be
played on the bigger vampires", the idea is still valid. Swap Arika for
any 6-cap you'd be using a lot - say, Joaquina Amaya in a
Salubri/Ravnos deck.
The basic principles still apply, even if your predator or prey would
target Matthias instead of Joaquina (and since you've played no
Cleansing yet, that's not an impromptu choice to make); chances are, if
the two vampires act a lot, that Joaquina will have her copy of
whatever the other players throw at you too. 2 copies of Cleansing
Ritual should suffice, as previously mentioned.
best,
Fabio "Sooner" Macedo
pallando wrote:
> <PaulW...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1129546437.7...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> > Will be used alot to remove Sensory deprivation, Memories of mortality,
> > Fame etc. Just to bad the dominate version of the card will never be
> > used
> >
>
> Note that it says "younger vampire". So the card will be fairly useless
> because any clever player will put Fame, Sensory Deprivation etc. on the
> oldest vampire or the vampire with Obeah.
Right. I ALWAYS fame the largest vampire with the most blood. I like a
challenge.
~SV
On 17 Oct 2005 09:16:21 -0700, "Incarnadyne"
<ph...@incarnadyne.freeserve.co.uk> scrawled:
>I guess Ian Forestal could also get rid of any dangerously fat Infernal
>Familiars, although I realise he usually has more important things to
>do.
whaa....? Infernal familiars are never dangerously fat. just stop
playing cards you don't have the discipline for, and they'll never
take your soul screaming to hell....
salem
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(replace "hotmail" with "yahoo" to email)
In message <2j68l1p46vhohtkga...@4ax.com>, salem
<salem_ch...@hotmail.com> writes:
>On 17 Oct 2005 09:16:21 -0700, "Incarnadyne"
><ph...@incarnadyne.freeserve.co.uk> scrawled:
>>>I guess Ian Forestal could also get rid of any dangerously fat Infernal
>>Familiars, although I realise he usually has more important things to
>>do.>
>whaa....? Infernal familiars are never dangerously fat. just stop
>playing cards you don't have the discipline for, and they'll never
>take your soul screaming to hell....
In theory, a Temptation (or whatever) could ruin your day.
--
James Coupe
PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR.
EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING.
13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.
Aaron Dugan wrote:
> Yes, that's why I said: one or 2 per deck maybe... It was to say that's to
> me it's a little bit disappointing.
It is a card with a reasonably high opportnuity cost (you need to have
someone play cards on your vampires)--regardless of any other factors,
why would you want more than a few of such a card in your deck in any
case?
Like, I'm not seeing how it is a problem of the card that you only want
a few in the deck. It is the same for any card that has an opportunity
cost--having a lot of them is never a good idea.
And yeah, it requires playing the card on a younger vampire, and the
biggest Salubri is a 7. We know we are getting new Bloodlines vampires.
Who is to say we won't get a bigger Salubri?
-Peter
pd...@lightlink.com wrote:
> And yeah, it requires playing the card on a younger vampire, and the
> biggest Salubri is a 7. We know we are getting new Bloodlines vampires.
> Who is to say we won't get a bigger Salubri?
*Cough* Saulot *Cough*
;-) Just a joke... I do NOT want to bring that up again...
In message <1129643472.6...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
pd...@lightlink.com writes:
>Aaron Dugan wrote:>> Yes, that's why I said: one or 2 per deck maybe... It was to say that's to
>> me it's a little bit disappointing.>
>It is a card with a reasonably high opportnuity cost (you need to have
>someone play cards on your vampires)--regardless of any other factors,
>why would you want more than a few of such a card in your deck in any
>case?
The White Wolf forum had (earlier today) the suggestion of using it for
Bauble-tastic Salubri rush decks (which I expanded on a bit).
I think it's definitely +2 Fun.
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James Coupe wrote:
> The White Wolf forum had (earlier today) the suggestion of using it for
> Bauble-tastic Salubri rush decks (which I expanded on a bit).
>
> I think it's definitely +2 Fun.
Ooh! Expand! Expand! I am intrigued!
Peter D Bakija
pd...@lightlink.com
http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6
"So in conclusion, our business plan is to sell hot,
easily spilled liquids to naked people."
-Brittni Meil
In message <BF7AC54B.22A13%pd...@lightlink.com>, Peter D Bakija
<pd...@lightlink.com> writes:
>James Coupe wrote:
>>> The White Wolf forum had (earlier today) the suggestion of using it for
>> Bauble-tastic Salubri rush decks (which I expanded on a bit).
>>
>> I think it's definitely +2 Fun.>
>Ooh! Expand! Expand! I am intrigued!
Quoting my posts, in reference to a question from someone else about a
suggestion of a "Bauble Trick deck" that he didn't understand (I'm
assuming that he wasn't familiar with the card Bauble, or its use with
weenie vampires to get you Assault Rifles, or whatever).
Look up the card text for Bauble. It allows "free" weapons
(typically, big ones like Assault Rifles or Flamethrowers).
However, the card being on a vampire disables that vampire for
many purposes, but that the Bauble card being burned for some
reason doesn't burn the equipment. So some people have done
silly decks involving a Bauble to fetch expensive equipment,
followed by burning the vampire with the Bauble card, then
calling them back with Possession or somesuch. (Yes, the feared
nec/vic/for combo. Funny deck, though.)
If you burn the Bauble card using the new Cleansing Ritual, the
equipment stays in play (as no card text causes it to burn) but
the vampire who played the Bauble is free to act again.
A Salubri multi-action deck, with Freak Drives, could be given a
Flamethrower or Assault Rifle by a Tzimisce backup weenie, get
rid of the Bauble card, Freak Drive, rush... And then untap the
Tzimisce at the end of the turn. The smallest AUS/vic is a 5
cap, alas - for Telepathic Misdirection/Auspex bounce defence.
A combination of a big weapon, Neutral Guard (to set range) and
Vitae Block (to get the blood back), along with assorted other
nastiness could be great fun.
Then a post a few minutes later (after the five minute interval where I
could edit it to fix my mistake).
> A combination ... Vitae Block (to get the blood back)
Guh, despite having the card text in front of me I managed to
think it gave the vampire the blood, not the card. Mutter. Still
useful, though, as it can drop the vampire's blood enough that
your Assault Rifle torpors it or your Flamethrower burns it, or
whatever. Taste of Vitae to get blood back in general, I guess,
from the damage you do.
Still, the basic moving parts are there.
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James Coupe wrote:
> Quoting my posts, in reference to a question from someone else about a
> suggestion of a "Bauble Trick deck" that he didn't understand (I'm
> assuming that he wasn't familiar with the card Bauble, or its use with
> weenie vampires to get you Assault Rifles, or whatever).
That is some hot vampire on vampire action! Awsome!
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:46:07 -0400, Peter D Bakija
<pd...@lightlink.com> scrawled:
>James Coupe wrote:
>>> Quoting my posts, in reference to a question from someone else about a
>> suggestion of a "Bauble Trick deck" that he didn't understand (I'm
>> assuming that he wasn't familiar with the card Bauble, or its use with
>> weenie vampires to get you Assault Rifles, or whatever).>
>That is some hot vampire on vampire action! Awsome!
whoa. whoa. WHOA!
um, are you referencing some post from years back, because I am
totally sure that that all looked completely familiar.
that or i'm just having a weird deja vu moment. ohnoes! maybe i'm
thinking of deja news! eep!
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salem wrote:
> whoa. whoa. WHOA!
>
> um, are you referencing some post from years back, because I am
> totally sure that that all looked completely familiar.
>
> that or i'm just having a weird deja vu moment. ohnoes! maybe i'm
> thinking of deja news! eep!
Uhh, maybe? Expound?
-Peter
On 19 Oct 2005 06:33:34 -0700, pd...@lightlink.com scrawled:
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when i read your post, i though "ahahah! funny! a nice old-timer
in-joke reference to a post james made ages ago about bauble". but
then a few minutes after reading it, the near perfect recollection of
that ages-old post by james became a bit fuzzy, and then pretty much
faded altogether, leaving me wondering whether there even was such an
old post, or whether my brain is just damaged slightly.
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In message <1129815171....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
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The time I sat down on a 4 player table where 3 of us were playing
Nosferatu decks was not an experience I loved.
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On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:11:25 +0100, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk>
scrawled:
>In message <1129815171....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
>pd...@lightlink.com writes:>>LSJ wrote:>>> Or maybe you're thinking of Nos on Nos action:>>
>>Heh. Everyone loves the hot nos on nos action!>
>The time I sat down on a 4 player table where 3 of us were playing
>Nosferatu decks was not an experience I loved.
that's because it was hot nos on nos on nos action. too many nosses
spoil the brothel, as that old saying goes.
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