Quiz: Lowest bleed

Two player game, you have one minion, your prey has one minion. What's the lowest amount you can bleed for? -- /Henrik Isaksson

"Henrik Isaksson" <hen...@nissamedia.net> skrev i meddelandet news:bs2e66$8o7gg$1...@ID-135400.news.uni-berlin.de... > Two player game, you have one minion, your prey has one minion. What's the lowest amount you can > bleed for? > restriction: both players have 90 different cards in their libraries.

"Oscar Garza" <oga...@NOSPAMtamu.edu> wrote in message news:bs2jkr$pjl$1...@news.tamu.edu... > > "Henrik Isaksson" <hen...@nissamedia.net> wrote in message > news:bs2ea1$927u0$1...@ID-135400.news.uni-berlin.de... [ quoted text not captured ] > Your vampire is Martin Franckel > His is Matthias. > Martin Franckell Clan Impersonates to Baali (-1, Matthias's Special) > Matthias Clan Impersonates to Tremere Antitribu (-1, Martin's Special) > Infernal Pact on Matthias for Mytherceria > Matthias plays a superior Steal the Mind on Martin (-1) > Matthias puts Arenthebes the Immortal in play (-1) > Matthias gets the Eye of Hazimel > Matthias gets an Infernal Familiar > Matthias gets a Presence skill card > Matthias calls Cardinal Benediction for himself, it passes. > Martin Franckell gets put Into the Fire > Matthias plays Monomancy on Martin, he refuses combat. (-1) Matthias's controller puts a Dummy Corporation into play > Martin bleeds > Matthias plays Folderol (-1) > Mattias plays Ignus Fatuus (-1) > Mattias plays Rewind Time (-2) > Mattias plays Ecstasy <infernal familiar> (-1) > Mathias plays Telepathic Counter (-2) Burn the Dummy Corp (-2) -13 bleed Oscar Garza Prince of College Station, Tx The Crazy Aggie

Oscar Garza wrote: > "Oscar Garza" <oga...@NOSPAMtamu.edu> wrote in message > news:bs2jkr$pjl$1...@news.tamu.edu... > >>"Henrik Isaksson" <hen...@nissamedia.net> wrote in message >>news:bs2ea1$927u0$1...@ID-135400.news.uni-berlin.de... >> >>>"Henrik Isaksson" <hen...@nissamedia.net> skrev i meddelandet >>>news:bs2e66$8o7gg$1...@ID-135400.news.uni-berlin.de... >>> >>>>Two player game, you have one minion, your prey has one minion. What's >>> >>the lowest amount you can >> >>>>bleed for? >>>> >>> >>>restriction: both players have 90 different cards in their libraries. >>> >>> >>> >> >>Your vampire is Martin Franckel >>His is Matthias. >>Martin Franckell Clan Impersonates to Baali (-1, Matthias's Special) >>Matthias Clan Impersonates to Tremere Antitribu (-1, Martin's Special) No. Martin gets -1 only if Matthias is *not* !Tre and not Tre. Let it stand for a while for the Cardinal thing though... >>Infernal Pact on Matthias for Mytherceria >>Matthias plays a superior Steal the Mind on Martin (-1) >>Matthias puts Arenthebes the Immortal in play (-1) >>Matthias gets the Eye of Hazimel >>Matthias gets an Infernal Familiar >>Matthias gets a Presence skill card >>Matthias calls Cardinal Benediction for himself, it passes. >>Martin Franckell gets put Into the Fire >>Matthias plays Monomancy on Martin, he refuses combat. (-1) > Matthias's controller puts a Dummy Corporation into play Matthias Clan Impersonates <RandomIndepedentClan> (Martin's Special kicks in, and it enables Banner of Neutrality below). >>Martin bleeds >>Matthias plays Folderol (-1) >>Mattias plays Ignus Fatuus (-1) >>Mattias plays Rewind Time (-2) >>Mattias plays Ecstasy <infernal familiar> (-1) >>Mathias plays Telepathic Counter (-2) > Burn the Dummy Corp (-2) Matthias plays Banner of Neutrality (-1) -14 bleed. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3FE4E81...@white-wolf.com... > Oscar Garza wrote: > > "Oscar Garza" <oga...@NOSPAMtamu.edu> wrote in message > > news:bs2jkr$pjl$1...@news.tamu.edu... > > > >>"Henrik Isaksson" <hen...@nissamedia.net> wrote in message > >>news:bs2ea1$927u0$1...@ID-135400.news.uni-berlin.de... > >> > >>>"Henrik Isaksson" <hen...@nissamedia.net> skrev i meddelandet > >>>news:bs2e66$8o7gg$1...@ID-135400.news.uni-berlin.de... > >>> > >>>>Two player game, you have one minion, your prey has one minion. What's > >>> > >>the lowest amount you can > >> > >>>>bleed for? > >>>> > >>> > >>>restriction: both players have 90 different cards in their libraries. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >>Your vampire is Martin Franckel > >>His is Matthias. > >>Martin Franckell Clan Impersonates to Baali (-1, Matthias's Special) > >>Matthias Clan Impersonates to Tremere Antitribu (-1, Martin's Special) > > No. Martin gets -1 only if Matthias is *not* !Tre and not Tre. > Let it stand for a while for the Cardinal thing though... ah read that wrong > > >>Infernal Pact on Matthias for Mytherceria > >>Matthias plays a superior Steal the Mind on Martin (-1) > >>Matthias puts Arenthebes the Immortal in play (-1) > >>Matthias gets the Eye of Hazimel > >>Matthias gets an Infernal Familiar > >>Matthias gets a Presence skill card > >>Matthias calls Cardinal Benediction for himself, it passes. > >>Martin Franckell gets put Into the Fire > >>Matthias plays Monomancy on Martin, he refuses combat. (-1) > > Matthias's controller puts a Dummy Corporation into play > > Matthias Clan Impersonates <RandomIndepedentClan> (Martin's Special > kicks in, and it enables Banner of Neutrality below). Can only use Clan Impersonation once as per restriction. So instead he takes an action to remove the Clan Impsersonation, then must go Out of the Frying Pan to lose the title, and then takes the cardless action to go anarch. Banner, good catch. > > >>Martin bleeds > >>Matthias plays Folderol (-1) > >>Mattias plays Ignus Fatuus (-1) > >>Mattias plays Rewind Time (-2) > >>Mattias plays Ecstasy <infernal familiar> (-1) > >>Mathias plays Telepathic Counter (-2) > > Burn the Dummy Corp (-2) > > Matthias plays Banner of Neutrality (-1) > > -14 bleed. > > -- > LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. > Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: > http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ > oscar

Oscar Garza wrote: > Can only use Clan Impersonation once as per restriction. So instead he takes > an action to remove the > Clan Impsersonation, then must go Out of the Frying Pan to lose the title, > and then takes the cardless action to go anarch. Banner, good catch. Well, burning the Clan Impersonation makes him Salubri and Independent, so that's enough. [ quoted text not captured ]

>Two player game, you have one minion, your prey has one minion. What's the >lowest amount you can >bleed for? You control Martin Franckel, the other player controls Greta Kircher. Martin Clan Impersonates into Clan Gangrel. You play 89 Gangrel De-Evolutions on him. The other player plays 88 Gangrel Atavisms on Martin. Martin bleeds, your prey burns a Dummy Corporation and plays a Telepathic Counter and burns a blood using Greta's special. So the amount is 1 (base) - 1 (Martin) - 2 (Dummy Corp) - 2 (Telepathic Counter) - 1 (Greta) - 89 (De-Evolution) - 88 (Atavism) = -182 bleed. =P Halcyan 2

> >>>>Two player game, you have one minion, your prey has one minion. What's > >>the lowest amount you can > >>>>bleed for? > >>>restriction: both players have 90 different cards in their libraries. > >> > >>Your vampire is Martin Franckel > >>His is Matthias. > Matthias Clan Impersonates to Tremere Antitribu > Infernal Pact on Matthias for Mytherceria > Matthias plays a superior Steal the Mind on Martin (-1) > Matthias puts Arenthebes the Immortal in play (-1) > Matthias gets the Eye of Hazimel > Matthias gets an Infernal Familiar > Matthias gets a Presence skill card > Matthias calls Cardinal Benediction for himself, it passes. > Martin Franckell gets put Into the Fire > Matthias plays Monomancy on Martin, he refuses combat. (-1) > Matthias's controller puts a Dummy Corporation into play > Matthias removes his Clan impersonation setting him back to Salubri (Martin's Special kicks in, and it enables Banner of Neutrality below). Martin Clan Impersonates to Gangrel. Matthias's controller gives Martin Gangrel Atavism (-1) Martin burns his CI and reverts his clan. Martin gets a Necromancy master (or gets the Sargon Fragment, either way) Martin plays Whispers of the Dead to get the Clan Impersonate back. > >>Martin Franckell Clan Impersonates to Baali (-1, Matthias's Special) > >>Martin bleeds > >>Matthias plays Folderol (-1) > >>Mattias plays Ignus Fatuus (-1) > >>Mattias plays Rewind Time (-2) > >>Mattias plays Ecstasy <infernal familiar> (-1) > >>Mathias plays Telepathic Counter (-2) > > Burn the Dummy Corp (-2) > > Matthias plays Banner of Neutrality (-1) > -15 bleed. You can get it to -18 if either player plays a Succubus Club, allowing Martin's controller to pass Matthias's controller his copy of Monomancy, Gangrel Atavism and Steal the Mind, which Matthias's controller stacks onto Martin at an appropriate point. -John Flournoy