HiddenLurker/FreakDrive?

Minion A is blocked. Minion C plays hidden lurker to jump the blocker. Can Minion C play a freak drive when this is done? At inferior superior or both? T

<Talo...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3c6db618.60009112@news... > > Minion A is blocked. Minion C plays hidden lurker to jump the > blocker. Can Minion C play a freak drive when this is done? At > inferior superior or both? Certainly not. Minion C entered combat (and tapped) via Hidden Lurker. He has in *no way* completed an action, which is required for playing freak drive.

[ quoted text not captured ] Correct. Also note that he is not an acting minion, so cannot play action modifiers in the first place (unless card text allows it). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3C6DBD3B...@white-wolf.com... > Reyda wrote: > > > > <Talo...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:3c6db618.60009112@news... > > > > > > Minion A is blocked. Minion C plays hidden lurker to jump the > > > blocker. Can Minion C play a freak drive when this is done? At > > > inferior superior or both? > > > > Certainly not. Minion C entered combat (and tapped) via Hidden Lurker. He > > has in *no way* completed an action, which is required for playing freak > > drive. > > Correct. Also note that he is not an acting minion, so cannot play action > modifiers in the first place (unless card text allows it). > so would a dawn operation played by the Vampire A effect the combat between vampires C and B? Action modifiers played by the acting minion would seem to be applicable.

In message <S4kb8.43087$A44.2...@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>, Dave Brereton <Brer...@shaw.ca> writes: >so would a dawn operation played by the Vampire A effect the combat between >vampires C and B? Action modifiers played by the acting minion would seem >to be applicable. No. Dawn Op refers to the "resulting combat". A HL combat is not this. -- James Coupe but I lust after the raw pow0r of c. PGP 0x5D623D5D together with the humping great EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 elephant arse of gnome. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D - Vashti

LSJ wrote: > Reyda wrote: > > > > <Talo...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:3c6db618.60009112@news... > > > > > > Minion A is blocked. Minion C plays hidden lurker to jump the > > > blocker. Can Minion C play a freak drive when this is done? At > > > inferior superior or both? > > > > Certainly not. Minion C entered combat (and tapped) via Hidden Lurker. He > > has in *no way* completed an action, which is required for playing freak > > drive. > > Correct. Also note that he is not an acting minion, so cannot play action > modifiers in the first place (unless card text allows it). > Hmm... out of curiosity, when was HL first changed from an action card (as printed in Jyhad/VTES) to an action modifier? It's printed as the latter in SW, but I haven't been able to find a ruling in the online listing that indicates if this change was a prior ruling or is new in SW. Thomas

"Thomas Pichler" <tom.p...@aon.at> wrote in message news:3C6E2A25...@aon.at... > Hmm... out of curiosity, when was HL first changed from an action card (as > printed in Jyhad/VTES) to an action modifier? > It's printed as the latter in SW, but I haven't been able to find a ruling in > the online listing that indicates if this change was a prior ruling or is new in > SW. Waaaaaaaaaay prior..... http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3loqk8%243g9%40redwood.cs.scarolina.edu&output=gplain mattgreen -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG

"Thomas Pichler" <tom.p...@aon.at> wrote in message news:3C6E2A25...@aon.at... > LSJ wrote: > (snip) > Hmm... out of curiosity, when was HL first changed from an action card (as > printed in Jyhad/VTES) to an action modifier? > It's printed as the latter in SW, but I haven't been able to find a ruling in > the online listing that indicates if this change was a prior ruling or is new in > SW. It has always been a action modifier in disguise =) the action card symbol was a typo. read the text carefully and you will understand it implies an acting vampire, a reacting vampire and a third guy waiting in the shadows, which other action acards never do. LSJ ! Maybe it would be wise to change Hidden Lurker type to a combat card since Coordinate attacks works fine also ?

Reyda wrote: > LSJ ! Maybe it would be wise to change Hidden Lurker type to a combat card > since Coordinate attacks works fine also ? No smilie, so I assume you're in earnest. Not a good idea. HL is properly an action modifier. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:00:27 -0500, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >Reyda wrote: >> >> <Talo...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:3c6db618.60009112@news... >> > >> > Minion A is blocked. Minion C plays hidden lurker to jump the >> > blocker. Can Minion C play a freak drive when this is done? At >> > inferior superior or both? >> >> Certainly not. Minion C entered combat (and tapped) via Hidden Lurker. He >> has in *no way* completed an action, which is required for playing freak >> drive. > >Correct. Also note that he is not an acting minion, so cannot play action >modifiers in the first place (unless card text allows it). > But Minion A could at superior correct? Would the FD have to be played when blocked or after the HL combat? T