Cardtext
[pre] Burn 1 blood to get +1 bleed. You cannot play another action modifier
to increase this bleed.
[mal] Choose a minion. The chosen minion cannot play reaction cards
(including (reaction) abilities of power cards) this action. Maleficia is
not a Discipline.
[MAL] As [mal] above, and the chosen minion cannot block this action.
Psalm of the Damned lacks the usual "as the action is announced" clause that
similar cards (Seduction comes to mind, mostly) have.
Does that mean I can play it in response to someone waking a vampire before
he or she has the chance to block and/or play a deflection? My guess is no,
because I passed the impulse to the "receiving" Meth and I won't get impulse
back before he's done declaring deflections and blocks. But then, if my
guess is right, then why do other cards have the "as the action is
announced" clause is, because in then it seems somewhat redundant.
On Feb 20, 1:17 pm, "Izaak" <nom...@usenet.plz> wrote:
> Cardtext
>
> [pre] Burn 1 blood to get +1 bleed. You cannot play another action modifier
> to increase this bleed.
> [mal] Choose a minion. The chosen minion cannot play reaction cards
> (including (reaction) abilities of power cards) this action. Maleficia is
> not a Discipline.
> [MAL] As [mal] above, and the chosen minion cannot block this action.
>
> Psalm of the Damned lacks the usual "as the action is announced" clause that
> similar cards (Seduction comes to mind, mostly) have.
>
> Does that mean I can play it in response to someone waking a vampire before
> he or she has the chance to block and/or play a deflection? My guess is no,
> because I passed the impulse to the "receiving" Meth and I won't get impulse
> back before he's done declaring deflections and blocks. But then, if my
> guess is right, then why do other cards have the "as the action is
> announced" clause is, because in then it seems somewhat redundant.
You are correct, as the impulse passes to the blocking meth, he plays
a card, the impulse immediately return to you, then goes back if you
play no further cards. There has just been very little opportunity
thus far to play cards in that impulse swop
On Feb 21, 12:58 am, Chris Berger <ark...@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:
> On Feb 20, 6:49 am, Blooded Sand <sandm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 20, 1:17 pm, "Izaak" <nom...@usenet.plz> wrote:
>
> > > Psalm of the Damned lacks the usual "as the action is announced" clause that
> > > similar cards (Seduction comes to mind, mostly) have.
>
> > > Does that mean I can play it in response to someone waking a vampire before
> > > he or she has the chance to block and/or play a deflection? My guess is no,
> > > because I passed the impulse to the "receiving" Meth and I won't get impulse
> > > back before he's done declaring deflections and blocks. But then, if my
> > > guess is right, then why do other cards have the "as the action is
> > > announced" clause is, because in then it seems somewhat redundant.
>
> > You are correct, as the impulse passes to the blocking meth, he plays
> > a card, the impulse immediately return to you, then goes back if you
> > play no further cards. There has just been very little opportunity
> > thus far to play cards in that impulse swop
>
> You mean, he is incorrect, though your explanation is right. You
> *can* indeed wait until they wake a vampire, then immediately play
> Psalm to tell that vampire it cannot block or play any further
> reactions. I'm 90% sure you can also play it at superior on a vampire
> that is already attempting to block to fail their block. About the
> only thing you can't do is play it in response to a minion playing a
> reaction card (well, you can, but that reaction card is already out of
> the barn, and will take effect regardless).
Yep, seems right. Which is very powerful. As acting methuselah gets
priority when anyone does anything, it seems you can indeed use in
response to a Wake / Forced / etc. Or used in response to a block
attempt to fail block. These Maleficia and Striga cards seem so good,
but so many moving parts to get them working :(
On Feb 20, 8:58 am, Chris Berger <ark...@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:
> On Feb 20, 6:49 am, Blooded Sand <sandm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 20, 1:17 pm, "Izaak" <nom...@usenet.plz> wrote:
>
> > > Psalm of the Damned lacks the usual "as the action is announced" clause that
> > > similar cards (Seduction comes to mind, mostly) have.
>
> > > Does that mean I can play it in response to someone waking a vampire before
> > > he or she has the chance to block and/or play a deflection? My guess is no,
> > > because I passed the impulse to the "receiving" Meth and I won't get impulse
> > > back before he's done declaring deflections and blocks. But then, if my
> > > guess is right, then why do other cards have the "as the action is
> > > announced" clause is, because in then it seems somewhat redundant.
>
> > You are correct, as the impulse passes to the blocking meth, he plays
> > a card, the impulse immediately return to you, then goes back if you
> > play no further cards. There has just been very little opportunity
> > thus far to play cards in that impulse swop
>
> You mean, he is incorrect, though your explanation is right. You
> *can* indeed wait until they wake a vampire, then immediately play
> Psalm to tell that vampire it cannot block or play any further
> reactions. I'm 90% sure you can also play it at superior on a vampire
> that is already attempting to block to fail their block. About the
> only thing you can't do is play it in response to a minion playing a
> reaction card (well, you can, but that reaction card is already out of
> the barn, and will take effect regardless).
Correct.
> > On Feb 20, 1:17 pm, "Izaak" <nom...@usenet.plz> wrote:
>
> > > Psalm of the Damned lacks the usual "as the action is announced"
> > > clause that
> > > similar cards (Seduction comes to mind, mostly) have.
>
> > > Does that mean I can play it in response to someone waking a vampire
> > > before
> > > he or she has the chance to block and/or play a deflection? My guess
> > > is no,
> > > because I passed the impulse to the "receiving" Meth and I won't get
> > > impulse
> > > back before he's done declaring deflections and blocks. But then, if
> > > my
> > > guess is right, then why do other cards have the "as the action is
> > > announced" clause is, because in then it seems somewhat redundant.
>
> > You are correct, as the impulse passes to the blocking meth, he plays
> > a card, the impulse immediately return to you, then goes back if you
> > play no further cards. There has just been very little opportunity
> > thus far to play cards in that impulse swop
>
> You mean, he is incorrect, though your explanation is right. You
> *can* indeed wait until they wake a vampire, then immediately play
> Psalm to tell that vampire it cannot block or play any further
> reactions. I'm 90% sure you can also play it at superior on a vampire
> that is already attempting to block to fail their block. About the
> only thing you can't do is play it in response to a minion playing a
> reaction card (well, you can, but that reaction card is already out of
> the barn, and will take effect regardless).> Correct.
Alright, thanks for your responses.
Now, just let me get the straightened in case I have to refer to it since I
plan to abuse Psalm of the Damned very soon.
I bleed for 3 with Cybele using her card text. Cybele has two Maleficia "not
a discipline"cards on her.
My prey, who has a single untapped minion declines to block. I announce I
don't play any bleed enhancers and my prey proceeds to play an On the Qui
Vive on Gabrin, *immediately* followed by a Deflection. This is how these
cards are generally played (most people even reveal them at the same time),
at least everywhere I played. I then play Psalm of the Damned at superior on
the reacting minion, thereby forcing my prey to take back the Deflection, as
the card is not legal to play for Gabrin. He merely played it before he
formally had the chance to, which is understandable as Psalm of the Damned
sort of opens a new timing window.
Correct?
I bleed for 3 with Cybele using her card text. Cybele has two Maleficia "not
a discipline"cards on her.
My prey, attempts to block with Cailean. I play Psalm of the Damned at
superior making Cailean not able to block, so the block fails and he has to
choose a different blocker.
Correct?
And the last one. I bleed for 3 with Cybele using her card text. Cybele has
two Maleficia "not a discipline"cards on her.
My prey doesn't have untapped minions and plays On the Qui Vive on Walter
Nash. He says declines to block. I play Sense the Sin at superior. Walter
Nash plays a deflection. I cannot play Psalm of the Damned now to cancel the
Deflection as Psalm of the Damned merely prevents the card from being played
and not actually cancels anything.
Correct?
On Feb 20, 12:12 pm, Dasein <dasein2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 21, 12:58 am, Chris Berger <ark...@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 20, 6:49 am, Blooded Sand <sandm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 20, 1:17 pm, "Izaak" <nom...@usenet.plz> wrote:
>
> > > > Psalm of the Damned lacks the usual "as the action is announced" clause that
> > > > similar cards (Seduction comes to mind, mostly) have.
>
> > > > Does that mean I can play it in response to someone waking a vampire before
> > > > he or she has the chance to block and/or play a deflection? My guess is no,
> > > > because I passed the impulse to the "receiving" Meth and I won't get impulse
> > > > back before he's done declaring deflections and blocks. But then, if my
> > > > guess is right, then why do other cards have the "as the action is
> > > > announced" clause is, because in then it seems somewhat redundant.
>
> > > You are correct, as the impulse passes to the blocking meth, he plays
> > > a card, the impulse immediately return to you, then goes back if you
> > > play no further cards. There has just been very little opportunity
> > > thus far to play cards in that impulse swop
>
> > You mean, he is incorrect, though your explanation is right. You
> > *can* indeed wait until they wake a vampire, then immediately play
> > Psalm to tell that vampire it cannot block or play any further
> > reactions. I'm 90% sure you can also play it at superior on a vampire
> > that is already attempting to block to fail their block. About the
> > only thing you can't do is play it in response to a minion playing a
> > reaction card (well, you can, but that reaction card is already out of
> > the barn, and will take effect regardless).
>
> Yep, seems right. Which is very powerful. As acting methuselah gets
> priority when anyone does anything, it seems you can indeed use in
> response to a Wake / Forced / etc. Or used in response to a block
> attempt to fail block. These Maleficia and Striga cards seem so good,
> but so many moving parts to get them working :(
Just like a Trophy cards!!!