Miscellaneous Qs [LSJ]

- Blythe at 0 blood confronts another blood stealer with 4 blood. Both strike for blood stealing. Does Blythe en up with 2 blood or 0 ? - Aranthebes : "+1 stealth action. Unique. Put this card into play. You may tap Aranthebes to give a minion controlled by your predator -1 stealth for the current action. While Aranthebes is untapped, vampires with a capacity less than 5 get -1 bleed when bleeding you. Any vampire with a capacity above 4 can move Aranthebes to your library as a (D) action. Shuffle afterward." If a weenie bleeds me and I redirect, is the bleed also reduced on my prey (as the bleed action was on me) ? Thanks, Orpheus

My take on it: > - Blythe at 0 blood confronts another blood stealer with 4 blood. Both > strike for blood stealing. Does Blythe en up with 2 blood or 0 ? With 2. Both declare strikes. Strike checks for amount of blood that can be stolen. Resolution: Move the blood. > - Aranthebes : "+1 stealth action. Unique. Put this card into play. You may > tap Aranthebes to give a minion controlled by your predator -1 stealth for > the current action. While Aranthebes is untapped, vampires with a capacity > less than 5 get -1 bleed when bleeding you. Any vampire with a capacity > above 4 can move Aranthebes to your library as a (D) action. Shuffle > afterward." > If a weenie bleeds me and I redirect, is the bleed also reduced on my prey > (as the bleed action was on me) ? No. Bleed modifiers on cards and vampires that have conditions check for the current target. I guess the same applies to prey-side modifiers. Also notice the "when bleeding YOU" part on Aranthebes. It would be silly if my protected resources also protected the one I bounce to, no?

Ello, For the first question, Blythe would end up with 0 blood. Blood stealing effects sort of resolve before other damage. That is, when you steal blood, it comes over to you before the other minion's damage resolves. I'm pretty sure that translates over to this situation as well, creating somewhat of a pocket of weirdness where you gain the blood before its actually stolen, thus the pseudo-damage is done afterwards and you lose the blood. For the second, weenies only get -1 bleed when bleeding you, so if you redirect the new target is being bleed for the normal amount. Same thing goes with vampires that get +bleed when bleeding Cam vampires and are redirected to Sabbat. The bleed goes down to normal. Dr. Fish "Orpheus" <orph...@NOSPAMfree.fr> wrote in message news:<3f87ccdd$0$27044$626a...@news.free.fr>... [ quoted text not captured ]

Ulugh Beg II wrote: > My take on it: >>- Blythe at 0 blood confronts another blood stealer with 4 blood. Both >>strike for blood stealing. Does Blythe en up with 2 blood or 0 ? > With 2. Both declare strikes. Strike checks for amount of blood that can > be stolen. > Resolution: Move the blood. Correct. >>- Aranthebes : "[...] get -1 bleed when bleeding you. [...]" >>If a weenie bleeds me and I redirect, is the bleed also reduced on my prey >>(as the bleed action was on me) ? > > No. Correct. The weenie has -1 bleed when bleeding you. Card text doesn't extend that to other times. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

> For the first question, Blythe would end up with 0 blood. Blood > stealing effects sort of resolve before other damage. That is, when > you steal blood, it comes over to you before the other minion's damage > resolves. I'm pretty sure that translates over to this situation as > well, creating somewhat of a pocket of weirdness where you gain the > blood before its actually stolen, thus the pseudo-damage is done > afterwards and you lose the blood. Woops! Guess I'm wrong on this one. Makes sense, I suppose. Dr. Fish

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:57:52 +0200, "Ulugh Beg II" <dontfe...@spam.me> scrawled: >It would be silly if my protected resources also protected the one I >bounce to, no? It would. Not that Protected Resources actually modifies the bleed amount. It merely limits the amount of pool YOU burn when successfully bled. salem domain:canberra http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/vtes.htm

> >>- Aranthebes : "[...] get -1 bleed when bleeding you. [...]" > >>If a weenie bleeds me and I redirect, is the bleed also reduced on my prey > >>(as the bleed action was on me) ? > > > > No. > > Correct. The weenie has -1 bleed when bleeding you. > Card text doesn't extend that to other times. Thought so, but I think Orpheus is thinking *evil* since bounce cards can be played after any bleed modifiers. Meth A: "Ohanna tries to bleed you". Meth B: "I got Aranthebes untapped. Ohannas' bleed is zero". Meth A: "It doesn't matter. Do you block?" Meth B: "No, I won't". Meth A: "Conditioning at inferior. Total 2 bleed". Meth B: "Deflection. It goes to my prey, and it's for 3!" :-) Giovannis gotta love it.