Ok, I know there are little chances that the suggested modification would be
endorsed, but I have a little regret about the Anarch rules, and wanted to
know what you guys think :
seeing as Anarchy is now more obviously oriented for already independant
clans, I regret that an independant with votes cannot become an Anarch.
After all, seeing that an indy seldom (never ?) has more than 2 votes,
that's a Baron without the benefit of playing Baron cards, so what the heck
?
It could allow for some weird (and not what I'd call optimised !!) Anarch
decks including Kahina, of course Synesios, Aziz, etc. All in all, 18 vamps
would be concerned, which isn't much but would allow some more interesting
combinations.
I guess rather than adding a clause to the Anarch rule, not considering the
"X Vote" as titled would be the best choice. What type of impact would that
have ?
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Orpheus
"We can never know of what we are the seeds
Until we flower."
Lilith
"Orpheus" <orpheus....@DEADSPAM.free.fr> wrote in message
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> I guess rather than adding a clause to the Anarch rule, not considering
the
> "X Vote" as titled would be the best choice. What type of impact would
that
> have ?
Chas Giovanni?
Free States Rant?
um....
Perhaps:
Titled vampires can go anarch at a cost of +X blood where X= # of votes.
(someone remind me... Prisci are NOT titled?)
-JTP
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:54:51 +0200, Orpheus
<orpheus....@DEADSPAM.free.fr> wrote:
> seeing as Anarchy is now more obviously oriented for already independant
> clans, I regret that an independant with votes cannot become an Anarch.
> After all, seeing that an indy seldom (never ?) has more than 2 votes,
> that's a Baron without the benefit of playing Baron cards, so what the
> heck ?
>> I guess rather than adding a clause to the Anarch rule, not considering
> the
> "X Vote" as titled would be the best choice. What type of impact would
> that
> have ?
Well, being titled prevents you from going Anarch (in various ways), makes
you lose a vote in Free States Rant or when voting down a barony, and makes
you susceptible to Thrones Crumble and Dismemberment of Osiris.
Being Titled allows you to call National Guard Support and Reinforcements,
or play Liberty Club Intrigue. ;)
I think that being titled for the Indies is generally a balancing factor. I
consider it a slight hindrance (mostly because voting is far easier with
sect-based titles, and other than that, being titled has no real advantages
while carrying some minor disadvantages). I also consider it somewhat
unfair
with respect to Anarchhood (because a Cammie or Sabbat vampire can simply
change sects with one Trifle card and then be eligible for Anarchhood).
All that said I consider changing the rule a very bad idea. Because we see
what special ability votes do to a vampire; if Kephamos could join the
Sabbat
and be eligible for a Cardinal title, that would give him 5 total votes
for a
Trifle master and a political action. If Amisa changes clans to a Camarilla
clan, she could get a Justicar title and still carry her own two votes. I'm
not saying that giving some more vote power to the Indies would crush the
game,
but it would certainly upset the balance the designers had in mind.
So all in all... better reword that Anarchy clause for the sake of game
consistency. Like, specifically allowing Indies to forego or disregard
their
titles when/if going Anarch.
Bye,
Daneel
"Orpheus" <orpheus....@DEADSPAM.free.fr> wrote in message news:<4132dd3c$0$18616$626a...@news.free.fr>...
(...)
> seeing as Anarchy is now more obviously oriented for already independant
> clans, I regret that an independant with votes cannot become an Anarch.
Can you play Out of the Frying Pan or Into the Fire in an independent
titled vampire to change is Sect and then make the action to convert
him to Anarch?
The idea is that changing the Sect (other than Anarch) the vampire
looses his X votes since it's a title, and titles are related to a
Sect.
I know this is a bit dummy, but if you really want to build an Anarch
strategy based on an Independent titled vampire, some copies of OotFP
or ItF could be a simple solution...
(...)
> I guess rather than adding a clause to the Anarch rule, not considering the
> "X Vote" as titled would be the best choice. What type of impact would that
> have ?
It could be interesting (some examples have already been pointed) but
i don't believe the basic-rules are going to be changed... but ok.
.- Luis Duarte (Portugal)
"Luis Duarte" <luis....@netcabo.pt> wrote in message
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> Can you play Out of the Frying Pan or Into the Fire in an independent
> titled vampire to change is Sect and then make the action to convert
> him to Anarch?
No. He'd still be titled. "Bob has 2 votes" is not sect-dependent.
--
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Luis Duarte wrote:
> Can you play Out of the Frying Pan or Into the Fire in an independent
> titled vampire to change is Sect and then make the action to convert
> him to Anarch?
>
> The idea is that changing the Sect (other than Anarch) the vampire
> looses his X votes since it's a title, and titles are related to a
> Sect.
"1 vote" and "2 votes" are sect independant titles, so you would have to:
Into the Fire (only Sabbat can Out of the Frying Pan)
Gain a title (Archbishop, Cardinal, Regent, etc.) (replacing the X votes
title)
Out of the Frying Pan (to lose the title)
Go Anarch
Alternatively, Rise of the Neptahli allows independants to dump their
titles easier.
--Colin McGuigan
"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:
> "Luis Duarte" <luis....@netcabo.pt> wrote in message>> Can you play Out of the Frying Pan or Into the Fire in an
independent
>> titled vampire to change is Sect and then make the action to
convert
>> him to Anarch?>
> No. He'd still be titled. "Bob has 2 votes" is not sect-dependent.
If he changes the sect to Camarilla, can he call a Praxis Seizure to
become Prince?
In that situation, does he looses permanently the 2 votes after
becoming Prince?
If Bob is a Prince and someone calls a Command of the Harpies, does he
regains the "Bob has 2 votes" again?
.- Luis Duarte
On 30 Aug 2004, Luis Duarte wrote:
> If he changes the sect to Camarilla, can he call a Praxis Seizure to
> become Prince?
Sure, just like any Camarilla vampire that isn't specifically prohibited.
> In that situation, does he looses permanently the 2 votes after
> becoming Prince?
> If Bob is a Prince and someone calls a Command of the Harpies, does he
> regains the "Bob has 2 votes" again?
Yes and no, respectively. This stuff is in the rulebook.
If you really want to have a titled independent become an Anarch, Clan
Impersonation is probably the least card-intensive.
Example:
Sutekh plays Clan Impersonation and choses Ventrue (or any other Camarilla
clan, but this option would let you slip a Ventrue HQ into play). Sutekh
is now a Camarilla Ventrue with the title "2 votes."
Sutekh calls Praxis Seizure: Geneva and it passes. Sutekh is now a
Camarilla Ventrue with the title Prince of Geneva. He also gains a
capacity (not that that's of any use here) and loses the "2 votes" title.
Sutekh burns the Clan Impersonation and becomes a Follower of Set. His
prince title becomes inactive because he's not the correct sect. He does
not regain the "2 votes" title. He can now become an anarch.
Overall, not worth it.
Matt Morgan
Luis Duarte wrote:
> If he changes the sect to Camarilla, can he call a Praxis Seizure to
> become Prince?
Yes.
> In that situation, does he looses permanently the 2 votes after
> becoming Prince?
Yes. Once you gain a title (even if it's immediately contested), you
lose your previous title.
> If Bob is a Prince and someone calls a Command of the Harpies, does he
> regains the "Bob has 2 votes" again?
No. At that point, he could go anarch.
--Colin McGuigan
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:25:02 GMT, "John P." <jtpa...@shaw.ca>
scrawled:
>Perhaps:
>Titled vampires can go anarch at a cost of +X blood where X= # of votes.
>(someone remind me... Prisci are NOT titled?)
Prisci _are_ titled, but they count as having 0 votes for cards that
work based on the number of votes a vampire has.
salem
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