Rules question: Reanimated corpse

This card states that it is removed from the game when it runs out of pathos counters or whatever it gets when you recruit it. If it is burned in combat, does it go to the ash heap instead?

[ quoted text not captured ] What if you play khobar Towers on it. Do you gain x pool or zero. And what happens with kindred segregation? If I kan move it from ash-heap into play. How many pathos counters does it gain?

On Jan 31, 9:08 am, "Baaliprimogen" <VegardKi...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Jan 31, 3:25 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > > Nosferatu_3 wrote: > > > This card states that it is removed from the game when it runs out of > > > pathos counters or whatever it gets when you recruit it. If it is > > > burned in combat, does it go to the ash heap instead? > > > Yes. > > What if you play khobar Towers on it. Do you gain x pool or zero. You gain X - you set the cost when you brought it into play. > And > what happens with kindred segregation? It ignores it, since the 'pool cost' of a Reanimated Corpse is always zero - RC has a blood cost, not a pool cost. > If I kan move it from ash-heap > into play. How many pathos counters does it gain? Zero, and thus immediately burns - nothing about the cards that return allies from the ash heap says 'and add pathos counters', only life. (LSJ confirms: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading- cards.jyhad/msg/57031a1bf0d1c2c6) -John Flournoy

On Jan 31, 9:08 am, "Baaliprimogen" <VegardKi...@gmail.com> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] What if you had a Tremere with both an Infernal Familiar and Ankara Citadel putting Reanimated Corpses in play? Would you get the full x for Khobar towers even though you only paid half X? You know because I am thinking of building an Etrius/Matthias deck where you gain 22 pool every turn from Etrius sacrificing a 22 counter Reanimated Corpse every turn while Matthias refills him. How does that sound? 5 turns and a gain of 110 pool later, I can do just stupid stuff with the deck. Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown, Jr XZealot Archon of the Swamp

On Jan 31, 11:28 am, "XZealot" <xzea...@cox.net> wrote: >> What if you had a Tremere with both an Infernal Familiar and Ankara > Citadel putting Reanimated Corpses in play? Would you get the full x > for Khobar towers even though you only paid half X? You know because > I am thinking of building an Etrius/Matthias deck where you gain 22 > pool every turn from Etrius sacrificing a 22 counter Reanimated Corpse > every turn while Matthias refills him. How does that sound? Almost as good as then clan impersonating Etrius into a Ravnos, making 15 Tumnimos first, and then playing Ravnos Carnival to pay for even bigger Corpse Brides. Possibly after re-clan impersonating back into a Tremere again if necessary... -Peter

[ quoted text not captured ] Man, you're crazy. That will never work. :) [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] I was just trying to be kinda clever and use burned reanimated corpses to bring out shambling hordes. I just have to get them burned before their pathos runs out. Nothing a few traps can't handle!

In message <1170260905.6...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, XZealot <xze...@cox.net> writes: >What if you had a Tremere with both an Infernal Familiar and Ankara >Citadel putting Reanimated Corpses in play? Would you get the full x >for Khobar towers even though you only paid half X? Full X. Ankara means you only pay half. However, the cost was still whatever it actually was. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR. EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

[ quoted text not captured ] Etrius is only there for the Ankara Citadel, so just use Mata Hari as your Ravnos. Make some Tumnimos, play a huge Ravnos Carnival. Set X to 50 bajillion, which becomes only 25 bajillion with Mata Hari's Ankara Citadel, which you easily pay with Ravnos Carnival. Earlier you played Khobar Towers via Mata Hari instead of a real FoS. Turn after the Reanimated Corpse comes out (because no one can kill anyone with inferior fortitude :P) you sac it for 50 bajillion pool. Mata Hari is obviously broken. I'm going to go home and make this terrible deck tonight. I love it. Its so stupid it just might work. Or I just play Week of Nightmares and win anyway! Later, ~Rehlow

In article <1170284651....@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>, "Rehlow" <news...@rehlow.com> wrote: > Etrius is only there for the Ankara Citadel, so just use Mata Hari as > your Ravnos. Make some Tumnimos, play a huge Ravnos Carnival. Set X to > 50 bajillion, which becomes only 25 bajillion with Mata Hari's Ankara > Citadel, which you easily pay with Ravnos Carnival. While I greatly admire your clearly superior plan, it doesn't involve Clan Impersonation. How can it *possibly* be good? :-) Peter D Bakija pd...@lightlink.com http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6/vtes.html

On Jan 31, 3:39 pm, James Coupe <j...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: > In message <1170260905.655513.173...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > > XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> writes: > >What if you had a Tremere with both an Infernal Familiar and Ankara > >Citadel putting Reanimated Corpses in play? Would you get the full x > >for Khobar towers even though you only paid half X? > > Full X. > > Ankara means you only pay half. However, the cost was still whatever it > actually was. That LSJ ruling never made sense to me. I get full-value for an ally brought in via reduced cost (Charisma, Sunset Strip, etc.). It seems that the Tower is evaluating the cost at the time of use and not remembering incoming cost. So, why do we have to remember the incoming cost for Corpses? Why not evaluate them when you use the Towers? Having to remember the cost also seems to run counter to not having to remember multi-round effects, cf. LSJs discussion about why Dreams of the Sphinx has counters. LSJ, can you please verify what's going on here. Karl

> I was just trying to be kinda clever and use burned reanimated corpses > to bring out shambling hordes. I just have to get them burned before > their pathos runs out. Nothing a few traps can't handle! Kiss of Ra?

[ quoted text not captured ] Tower uses current cost. For Reanimated Corpse, that cost is X.

On Jan 31, 8:51 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] So, how is X calculated with reduction effects? Such as, The Baron sproting Charisma, is X what The Baron paid or is it what The Baron would have paid without the reduction effects? Karl

[ quoted text not captured ] Since they aren't on the ally when Towers hits, they don't apply.

[ quoted text not captured ] combat card? -- salem http://users.tpg.com.au/adsltqna/vtes/ (replace 'hotmail' with 'yahoo' to email)

use Zombies instead, can be sacrificed. Or just discard the corpses? I am not sure I understand the fuss...

[ quoted text not captured ] 50 bajillion + 1. -- - Gregory Stuart Pettigrew