This question is about the FIRST Sabbat Vtes set: Why isn't it available
in stores (as opposed to ALL older sets???) ?
Is a reprinting scheduled?
Or Sabbat wars a re-edition of the original Sabbat set in "revised"?
By the way, I heard a lot about Lucita (clap! clap! clap!) ...Now what
about all the cool characters in the Vampire novels? (Err Personnaly I
am REALLY interested in Fatima Al-Faqadi... ;-)
denis tulbent <dtul...@club-internet.fr> wrote:
> This question is about the FIRST Sabbat Vtes set: Why isn't it
> available in stores (as opposed to ALL older sets???) ?
Because the stores (in your area) have sold out. All of the old sets
(Sabbat included) are out of print. That means that when the various
stores sell their remining stock, they can't order any more.
> Is a reprinting scheduled?
Not at the present time.
> Or Sabbat wars a re-edition of the original Sabbat set in "revised"?
Sabbat War (no 's') is not a revised edition of Sabbat.
Sabbat War will include some cards from Sabbat (though not all), and
will include new cards and some cards from other older sets as well.
Much like Sabbat included some old cards and added new cards itself.
> By the way, I heard a lot about Lucita (clap! clap! clap!) ...Now what
> about all the cool characters in the Vampire novels? (Err Personnaly I
> am REALLY interested in Fatima Al-Faqadi... ;-)
The next Promo card (announced in Inquest #65, where Lucita appears)
will be Vykos. (No schedule information available for it yet, though).
--
LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc.
Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules:
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/
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Before you buy.
> The next Promo card (announced in Inquest #65, where Lucita appears)
> will be Vykos. (No schedule information available for it yet, though).
heh, I knew it! :)
Sorrow
---
Dear God, don't know if you noticed, but... your name is on a
lot of quotes in this book, and us crazy humans wrote it, you
should take a look, and all the people that you made in your
image still believing that junk is true. Well I know it ain't,
and so do you, dear God, I can't believe in I don't believe in...
LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> Because the stores (in your area) have sold out. All of the old sets
> (Sabbat included) are out of print. That means that when the various
> stores sell their remining stock, they can't order any more.
Note that you can still order boxes of all the expansions at:
www.potomacdist.com
But be warned. Sabbat boxes ain't cheap because the demand is higher
than the supply. Dark Sovereigns, VTES and Jyhad, however, are very
inexpensive.
> Sabbat War...will include...some cards from other older sets as well.
Really? Kick ass. I _really_ hope that WWEF, Pulled Fangs and the other
cards that saw severe errata are among those being reprinted. It would
certainly make some of us NJL types very happy.
Btw, are there plans to print current errata with the new rule book?
Since it would be prohibitively expensive to reprint all the cards with
errata, it might be a wise idea to make sure that there's something in
print to cover the ones that aren't reprinted.
Regards,
Noal McDonald
Prince/Priscus of Farmington Hills, MI
--
"I was probably pretty young, when I realised that I had come from
what you might call a family, a clan, a race, maybe even a species,
of pure sons of bitches."
--Faulkner, "The Mansion"
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In article <8measj$ic1$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> denis tulbent <dtul...@club-internet.fr> wrote:
> > This question is about the FIRST Sabbat Vtes set: Why isn't it
> > available in stores (as opposed to ALL older sets???) ?
>> Because the stores (in your area) have sold out. All of the old sets
> (Sabbat included) are out of print. That means that when the various
> stores sell their remining stock, they can't order any more.
>> > Is a reprinting scheduled?
>
> Not at the present time.
I really think this is a shame. I love the game (v:tes) but can not
justify spending the money people want for an unopened box of Sabbat.
Will Sabbat War reprint enough of the original Sabbat release to
effectively negate needing to spend big bucks on an old box of Sabbat?
Are they planning to release decks for all of the Sabbat clans? I am
afraid that this is going to turn in to M:TG, being that the only way
to have a really cool Sabbat deck will require you to spend absorbent
amounts of money to make the deck.
Richard Cornejo
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>
> > > Is a reprinting scheduled?
> >
> > Not at the present time.
>
> I really think this is a shame. I love the game (v:tes) but can not
> justify spending the money people want for an unopened box of Sabbat.
> Will Sabbat War reprint enough of the original Sabbat release to
> effectively negate needing to spend big bucks on an old box of Sabbat?
> Are they planning to release decks for all of the Sabbat clans? I am
> afraid that this is going to turn in to M:TG, being that the only way
> to have a really cool Sabbat deck will require you to spend absorbent
> amounts of money to make the deck.
>
> Richard Cornejo
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
I think you are absolutely Right.
Initially when Jyhad (God we're getting old....) was released, it had (as
opposed to the game I WILL NOT even evoque here) 2 qualities: first it
authorised, by the depth of the implications of each decision, and subtle
balance of power, a good deal of strategical challenge (and not mere card
combos...). Secondly, as Extensions were NOT sceduled, ans commons were
enough to play,it was not a COLLECTIBLE CG in its full meaning (you know
what I mean...). Then V:tes (erk!), then DS (bigger! higher! beafier!
where do they plan to stop? Will there ever be a "Caïne" at a cost of
about 20?? lol!) Then AH (Quite the opposite: How to to do...nothing at
all...Not even 12 different Vampires of the new clans...)
Then last, Sabbat (until October, I mean...): An excellent standalone
extension. Perhaps too violent and combat-oriented (as opposed To
Assamites, who were sheeps, even M At are dangerous ;-)
Apparently Wotc got tired of editing the game, as there were some other,
ever more lucrative, games ;-)
Then what?
As WW got back the game (as I understood it: please correct me if I am
mistaken) I was expecting some focusing on the interests and expectations
of the conumers and players (hence the forum!!!!).
Sabbat WaR (sorry no more WarZ) is ok by me, and I am anxious with
anticipation as all of you are: but why on earth is there not a reprinting
scheduled for those much needed past Card sets? I focus here of course on
"The Sabbat": wouldn't it make sense to have it reprinted so that new
players (believe me , there are some! really!!) could benfit from Sabbat
AND Sabbat Wars?
I would, for once, be very grateful if WW could cut off the speculation
tendancy about these past Card Sets: we do not want V:TES (or Jyhad, or
whatever) to turn into a magic-like. Players need cards, so I guess it is
the interest of WW to sell those to its customers, and our interest to
reach card without having to pay more than 250$ for a mere box of Sabbat!
ww, please choose between your players and the pesky speculators in Jyhad
cards...RE-PRINT THEM!!!
Unless of course, WW is already reprinting Sabbat undercover, but only
under a "scarcity in shops" policy...
I hope not so...
denis tulbent wrote in message <398B102C...@club-internet.fr>...
snip
>Then what?
>As WW got back the game (as I understood it: please correct me if I am
>mistaken) I was expecting some focusing on the interests and expectations
>of the conumers and players (hence the forum!!!!).
>Sabbat WaR (sorry no more WarZ) is ok by me, and I am anxious with
>anticipation as all of you are: but why on earth is there not a reprinting
>scheduled for those much needed past Card sets? I focus here of course on
>"The Sabbat": wouldn't it make sense to have it reprinted so that new
>players (believe me , there are some! really!!) could benfit from Sabbat
>AND Sabbat Wars?
>
Erm. Sabbat War is rumored to have additional cards _in addition to_ what
was contained in the original Sabbat expansion. It's supposed to be mostly
the same (although personally, I hope they don't reprint Regaining the Upper
Hand _again_) but with more (new) cards. So effectively, you'll likely get
your wish of having both...
>I would, for once, be very grateful if WW could cut off the speculation
>tendancy about these past Card Sets: we do not want V:TES (or Jyhad, or
>whatever) to turn into a magic-like. Players need cards, so I guess it is
>the interest of WW to sell those to its customers, and our interest to
>reach card without having to pay more than 250$ for a mere box of Sabbat!
>ww, please choose between your players and the pesky speculators in Jyhad
>cards...RE-PRINT THEM!!!
>
WW isn't holding out on you for the purpose of driving up speculative
prices, silly. They've got a limited amount of resources to devote to the
game. Word is, you need to have _5000_ booster displays sell, just to make
a CCG print run _break even_(!?!?!?) Personally, I'd caution WW against
simply re-printing, unless the demand is very firmly established. I highly
doubt they could get 5000 more displays of AH or DS sold, since so many of
their existing customers (those who already play) are looking for new cards.
The way they're going is best, IMNSHO, by adding to older expansions, then
re-releasing them. This broadens their appeal for new players, and keeps
older ones buying, too...
Regards,
R. David Zopf
Atom Weaver
V:EKN Prince of Charlotte, NC
"R. David Zopf" <guenh...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Erm. Sabbat War is rumored to have additional cards _in addition to_
> what was contained in the original Sabbat expansion.
It's not rumor. LSJ has already stated words to that effect. There will
also be cards from earlier sets as well.
> It's supposed to be mostly the same (although personally, I hope
> they don't reprint Regaining the Upper Hand _again_)
Why not??? It's _such_ a cool card!!! *grin*
Okay...only with Form of Corruption and Curse of Nitocris.
> They've got a limited amount of resources to devote to the
> game. Word is, you need to have _5000_ booster displays
> sell, just to make a CCG print run _break even_(!?!?!?)
So place your order with your local retailer for 50 boxes right now.
*grin*
> I highly doubt they could get 5000 more displays of AH or DS sold,
AH...maybe, maybe not. DS, definitely not.
Regards,
Noal
--
"I was probably pretty young, when I realised that I had come from
what you might call a family, a clan, a race, maybe even a species,
of pure sons of bitches."
--Faulkner, "The Mansion"
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Noal McDonald <dhar...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8mf7na$9ht$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> "R. David Zopf" <guenh...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > It's supposed to be mostly the same (although personally, I hope
> > they don't reprint Regaining the Upper Hand _again_)
>
> Why not??? It's _such_ a cool card!!! *grin*
> Okay...only with Form of Corruption and Curse of Nitocris.
>
And as the '#1 Card To Lead Your Cryptic Rider With'
Mark Shanewood
V:EKN Prince of Minneapolis
(and owner of WAY too many RtUH...)
In article <8measj$ic1$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com>
writes
>The next Promo card (announced in Inquest #65, where Lucita appears)
>will be Vykos. (No schedule information available for it yet, though).
Do we now have it confirmed that she will appear, though?
Steve had said problems with sourcing card stock might force Promo #2
(which most people had guessed as Vykos, I guess) just into the set as
normal. Has this problem been resolved?
--
James Coupe
R. David Zopf a écrit:
> denis tulbent wrote in message <398B102C...@club-internet.fr>...
>
> snip
> >Then what?
> >As WW got back the game (as I understood it: please correct me if I am
> >mistaken) I was expecting some focusing on the interests and expectations
> >of the conumers and players (hence the forum!!!!).
> >Sabbat WaR (sorry no more WarZ) is ok by me, and I am anxious with
> >anticipation as all of you are: but why on earth is there not a reprinting
> >scheduled for those much needed past Card sets? I focus here of course on
> >"The Sabbat": wouldn't it make sense to have it reprinted so that new
> >players (believe me , there are some! really!!) could benfit from Sabbat
> >AND Sabbat Wars?
> >
>> Erm. Sabbat War is rumored to have additional cards _in addition to_ what> was contained in the original Sabbat expansion. It's supposed to be mostly> the same (although personally, I hope they don't reprint Regaining the Upper> Hand _again_) but with more (new) cards. So effectively, you'll likely get
> your wish of having both...
I really wonder... Usually, the coolest (read: Rare!) cards in past editions are
not always in first line for "re-insertion" (is the term correct?) in current
sets...
>
>
> >I would, for once, be very grateful if WW could cut off the speculation
> >tendancy about these past Card Sets: we do not want V:TES (or Jyhad, or
> >whatever) to turn into a magic-like. Players need cards, so I guess it is
> >the interest of WW to sell those to its customers, and our interest to
> >reach card without having to pay more than 250$ for a mere box of Sabbat!
> >ww, please choose between your players and the pesky speculators in Jyhad
> >cards...RE-PRINT THEM!!!
> >
>
> WW isn't holding out on you for the purpose of driving up speculative> prices, silly. They've got a limited amount of resources to devote to the> game. Word is, you need to have _5000_ booster displays sell, just to make> a CCG print run _break even_(!?!?!?) Personally, I'd caution WW against
> simply re-printing, unless the demand is very firmly established.
Ok...You are right. The point then should be to give WW assurance about the
strengh of the demand.
Perhaps polls coould measure it. Better yet: what about , say, a pre-release
customers list?
People suscribe the right to get Sabbat reedition boxes first...Wouldn't the
risk be covered?
To me 5000 displays (10 boxes, right?) could easily make it worldwide: you seem
to miss the fact that outside the US, we have not received taht much boxes in
stores: Very few people could buy as much as they wanted of this edition. I,
from France, for instance, couldn't get a hold on more than 20 boosters...
> I highly> doubt they could get 5000 more displays of AH or DS sold, since so many of
> their existing customers (those who already play) are looking for new cards.
On this I must agree, as, for an unknown reason, AH and DS have been broadly
distributed (which is to the way it always should be...), so a newbie can easily
find someone to trade with, or buy a player who quits (unfortunately, I guess
when you have to choose between children and V:TES, the choice is definite...).
>
> The way they're going is best, IMNSHO, by adding to older expansions, then
> re-releasing them. This broadens their appeal for new players, and keeps
> older ones buying, too...>
We should not mix a "Basic Set", such as V:TES, or "The Sabbat", at the core of
the game, and expansions, which do only add "colour" and flavor to an already
structured game...Mix these two, and you reach the concept of a Basic Set Second
(Third? etc???) Edition: the whole meta-game changes then, removing the card
"out", and so on... Sounds like... (No! Not Magic!!! ) I'm afraid WOTC has made
me paranoïd (They're heeeeeere) about CCG, but I should not judge hastily WW:
let's all give them a chance...
Regards
JD TULBENT
Not even the master in his home.. ;-) ;let alone Prince of anywhere...
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In article <398B69BD...@club-internet.fr>, denis tulbent
<dtul...@club-internet.fr> writes
>Mix these two, and you reach the concept of a Basic Set Second
>(Third? etc???) Edition: the whole meta-game changes then
Not really.
You just make the old cards available to new players. Instead of having
to fight to get hold of a card that was only in Jyhad - just how are new
players expected to get Rotschreck, if they don't live in America? - you
might be able to find it in the Sabbat War set. All that does is opens
up options to players who didn't easily have access to them before.
They could just have borrowed them, or spent lots of money buying them
on the net, or singles, or whatever. Now they can own their own.
This is not Magic, where cards in old sets become unplayable.
--
James Coupe
In article <03cu16AL...@obeah.demon.co.uk>,
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If not, then I have found another card manufacturer through some of my
contacts in the business world. U.S. Playing Cards manufactures quite
alot of cards (you know the old 52 cards in a deck kind), and they do
print special runs of cards. I will have to get back to you guys with
the specifics, since I am on vacation out here in L.A. and my briefcase
is in La..
Comments Welcome,
Norman S. Brown Jr.
X_Zealot
Archon of the Swamp
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denis tulbent <dtul...@club-internet.fr> writes:
>> denis tulbent wrote in message <398B102C...@club-internet.fr>...>> Erm. Sabbat War is rumored to have additional cards _in addition to_ what
>> was contained in the original Sabbat expansion. It's supposed to be mostly
>> the same (although personally, I hope they don't reprint Regaining the Upper
>> Hand _again_) but with more (new) cards. So effectively, you'll likely get
>> your wish of having both...>
>I really wonder... Usually, the coolest (read: Rare!) cards in past editions
>are not always in first line for "re-insertion" (is the term correct?) in
>current sets...
In a game like Magic that has continual expansions and a main set through
which previous cards are perpetually being rotated into and out of, that's
because the latter has a limited amount of space and they feel the need
to motivate people to buy as much of the former as possible. Jyhad is
in a completely different situation, at least right now. There's not
enough variety of accessible expansions at the moment. If there were,
then players wouldn't feel the lack of cool cards out of Sabbat as much
because they'd have elsewhere to look.
>> The way they're going is best, IMNSHO, by adding to older expansions, then
>> re-releasing them. This broadens their appeal for new players, and keeps
>> older ones buying, too...>
>We should not mix a "Basic Set", such as V:TES, or "The Sabbat", at the core
>of the game, and expansions, which do only add "colour" and flavor to an>already structured game...Mix these two, and you reach the concept of a
>Basic Set Second (Third? etc???) Edition: the whole meta-game changes then,>removing the card "out", and so on... Sounds like... (No! Not Magic!!! ) I'm>afraid WOTC has made me paranoďd (They're heeeeeere) about CCG, but I should>not judge hastily WW: let's all give them a chance...
I think the point of mixing basic set "staple" cards with new expansion cards
was to create a standalone game, playable (for instance with sealed deck
or draft) using only cards from the expansion. This was true of Magic
standalones and of Sabbat and may or may not be the case for Sabbat Wars.
I don't know. I haven't heard anyone talk about that point a lot.
It sounds like the intent for Sabbat War is to fulfill other purposes
(reprint popular but hard-to-find existing cards (esp. in the hard-to-find
Sabbat expansion), add new cards, and to reprint heavily errated cards)
and no one's really put a though into how appropriate it is for standalone
play.
Fred
denis tulbent <dtul...@club-internet.fr> wrote:
>I really wonder... Usually, the coolest (read: Rare!) cards in past editions are
>not always in first line for "re-insertion" (is the term correct?) in current
>sets...
You're spooked too much by M:t$$ ;-) There's little precedent for
what WW will consider for "re-insertion"...
>>>> WW isn't holding out on you for the purpose of driving up speculative
>> prices, silly. They've got a limited amount of resources to devote to the
>> game. Word is, you need to have _5000_ booster displays sell, just to make
>> a CCG print run _break even_(!?!?!?) Personally, I'd caution WW against
>> simply re-printing, unless the demand is very firmly established.>Ok...You are right. The point then should be to give WW assurance about the
>strengh of the demand.
>Perhaps polls coould measure it.
On-line polls consistently fail to amount to anything ;-)
> Better yet: what about , say, a pre-release
>customers list?
_This_ I like!! I like very much...
>People suscribe the right to get Sabbat reedition boxes first...Wouldn't the
>risk be covered?
>To me 5000 displays (10 boxes, right?)
No, by 5000 displays, I meant 5000 store display boxes...
> could easily make it worldwide: you seem
>to miss the fact that outside the US, we have not received taht much boxes in
>stores: Very few people could buy as much as they wanted of this edition. I,
>from France, for instance, couldn't get a hold on more than 20 boosters...
I certainly hope you're right. It is true that at V:TES's inception
as Jyhad, WotC didn't have a solid internaitonal distributor set up.
White Wolf will hopefully be better prepared in this regard...
>> I highly
>> doubt they could get 5000 more displays of AH or DS sold, since so many of
>> their existing customers (those who already play) are looking for new cards.>On this I must agree, as, for an unknown reason, AH and DS have been broadly
>distributed (which is to the way it always should be...),
Likely, this shows the time frame in which WotC got it's international
"act" together... It's a shame that DS wasn't as good as Sabbat...
Low sales likely reduced the range of distribution worldwide (to the
detriment of Europeans... :-(
Regards,
R. David Zopf
guenh...@mindspring.com
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denis tulbent <dtul...@club-internet.fr> writes:
>>> I highly doubt they could get 5000 more displays of AH or DS sold, since
>> so many of their existing customers (those who already play) are looking
>> for new cards.>
>On this I must agree, as, for an unknown reason, AH and DS have been broadly>distributed (which is to the way it always should be...), so a newbie can
>easily find someone to trade with, or buy a player who quits (unfortunately,
>I guess when you have to choose between children and V:TES, the choice is
>definite...).
I strongly doubt Ancient Hearts and Dark Sovereigns were any more broadly
distributed than The Sabbat. A year and a half ago, one could obtain
The Sabbat just as easily as the other two. But there's a numbers game
that dictates these things. And in this case, the pertinent numbers are
about how many good cards are used in what frequency in play and how rare
they were in their expansion. Dark Soveriegns had the fewest problems
because there really isn't a such thing as a "rare" card in the whole
set, relative to any other set. Only uncommons. As such, one didn't have
to buy many boxes to get the DS cards he needed and/or wanted and the effect
shows up in how many boxes they've sold so far. And more importantly, how
many boxes they _haven't_ sold which are therefore still on the market.
Dark Soveriegns also had relatively few upper tier cards at all and some
of these were commons. Much though I detest steep rarity levels and
companies using "good rares" tactics to sell boxes, I'm afraid it does
work to a point.
The Sabbat was on the other end of the spectrum. It's rares were pretty
comparable to a Magic Pack in a standalone expansion (two rare slots out of
28 in a pack and there were 110 different rares) and many of them were
pretty good cards or at least fairly important in terms of filling some new
function (ex: Awe being only the second truly usable vote enhancing Action
Modifier - which is significant in a game that allows you to use only one
Action Modifier of a given name in a given action). You had to buy lots
of boxes if you wanted to fill in your collection with many of the usable
Sabbat cards or you had to trade aggressively, which would have the effect
of encouraging others to buy the boxes for what they could bring in trade.
It all adds up. Now there's few boxes left to buy from any source. But
they were as "broadly distributed" as the other when they were still on
the market.
Fred
James Coupe wrote:
>
> In article <8measj$ic1$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com>
> writes
> >The next Promo card (announced in Inquest #65, where Lucita appears)
> >will be Vykos. (No schedule information available for it yet, though).
>
> Do we now have it confirmed that she will appear, though?
>
> Steve had said problems with sourcing card stock might force Promo #2
> (which most people had guessed as Vykos, I guess) just into the set as
> normal. Has this problem been resolved?
Yes. Vykos will be released as a promo card.
--
LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc.
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does no one read the magazine they got their Lucita card from....right there
3pages in is an advertisement for the Sabbat WArs and even later into the mag
is an article telling about what is in the new expansion and who the next promo
card is.....hmmmm