In the Dec 22 rulings, Tom wrote:
> **5) Charming Lobby: This card requires three vampires to be
> effective. one to call the first vote, another to play Charming Lobby,
> and the third to call the third vote.
> **
We have had problems with this card, and this is definitely not the way
we were playing it, but I can go with this. What I am wondering is this:
This ruling states that to be *effective* it requires three vampires in
play and untapped on my side - does not say that I *must* have 3 vampires,
or that _I_ must call the 2nd vote (which then passes).
IMHO, the following scenario would work - It would not be terribly
intelligent, but work according to my understanding of the rules.
Setup: I have two vampires and no minions. Both have presence.
1) My first vampire plays Charming Lobby.
2) My second vampire calls a vote, which (we shall say) passes. This
fulfills the prerequisites of the Charming Lobby, and now the next vote
called will pass.
3) I have no more vampires, so I have basically wasted the action of the
first one in using the Lobby, but now the next vote called automatically
passes, no matter who calls it, or when. NOT EFFECTIVE, (pretty damn dumb,
actually) but still _legal_ according to this ruling...
Opinions? Rulings from official netreps?
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In article <3et18f$f...@tribune.usask.ca>, sht...@duke.usask.ca (Shane
Hamish William Travis) wrote:
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Given the clearly stated ruling on how the card is played, it is obvious to
me that the original card text is downright incorrect, because I remember
reading the ruling then reading the card and thinking "how did he comeup
with that." Bottom line -- it sounds like the ruling is how they *want* the
card to be played.
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In article <3f9r6m$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, sgra...@aol.com
(SGrant777) wrote:
> You are reading the card incorretly. Charming lobby is, in effect, a
> political card in itself. You call a vote that says "The next vote will
> pass." That means that you don't necessarily have to play the next
> political card. It is just saying that the next vote WILL pass. So you
> only need Two vampires for it to help.
Except that this whole thread started when Tom Wylie, the official Netrep
for Wizards of the Coast, stated that Charming Lobby *requires* 3 vampires
and someone objected. As I stated in an earlier response, the card must be
clearly misprinted, given that it is does not read like it requires 3
vampires. For your reference, here is an excerpt from the ruling:
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From: aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie)
Newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad
Subject: Design Team Rulings: 12/22/94
Date: 23 Dec 1994 08:42:47 GMT
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Jyhad Rulings 12/22/94
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5) Charming Lobby: This card requires three vampires to be
effective. one to call the first vote, another to play Charming Lobby,
and the third to call the third vote.
--
I believe the reference to "the third to call the third vote" should read
"the third to call the second vote", but the above is the original text.
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The design team ruling is that Charming Lobby requires three actions
for the whole process to be complete.
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L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu) wrote:
: Since action modifiers are (unless the card says otherwise) played by
: the acting minion, why doesn't (1) play this one?
Charming Lobby is not an action modifier, but an action. Thus, three
vampires for three separat actions. (CL, vote, auto-vote).
The question I asked which started this whole thread (and was not
answered by Tom's response) is: do I _have_ to have three untapped
vampires (as it says in the ruling?) IMHO, two would do it (get the CL
out and the first vote passed, that is) but then the _next_ vote (wheover
called it) would pass automatically. A legitimate tactic if you know
that your opponent doesn't play with (many) vote cards...
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>>>>> "TRW" == Thomas R Wylie <aa...@cats.ucsc.edu> writes:
TRW> The design team ruling is that Charming Lobby requires three actions
TRW> for the whole process to be complete.
This is just plain dumb! The card must be fixed and will be thrown out of
my deck if this rule is enforced. It makes it worse than Cryptic Rider or
whatever the modifier is that lets you automatically pass your next vote
when the vote just called passed.
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