[DECK] Hey, hey, we're the Lasombra

So I've been wanting to make this Lasombra deck for a while now, and I finally came to the conclusion that trying to make it a combat deck just wasn't going to work. Obt and Dom just don't help Potence out at all combat-wise. So I decided to make it a Vote/Bleed deck with Combat for "fight back" combat defense. Here it is: Crypt: Mitchell, The Headhunter 2 obt pot Rescue from torpor costs +1 blood Cameron 3 dom pot 2x Ignatio, The Black Priest 4 dom obt pot Ramiro 4 dom obt [vic] Guido Lucciano 5 OBT dom [obf] Aurora Van Brande, Paladin 6 OBT dom pot [for] 1R damage as strike Lisette Visquel 6 DOM POT [pro] Bishop, +1 int. vs. diablerie Gratiano 8 DOM OBT pot [obf] Priscus, +1 vote in Prisci vote, +1 bleed Alvaro, The Scion of Angelica 9 OBT POT dom [pre] AB of Pittsburgh, Abstains --> 2 blood, +1 bleed Antonio Delgado 9 DOM OBT POT [tha] AB of Atlanta, untaps at end of turn if succ. performs pol. action Angelica, The Canonicus 10 DOM OBT POT [obf cel] Cardinal, burn X masters from hand --> +X intercept Avg: 5.8333, Worst 36 [they're so expensive!] Masters 2 Dominate Potence Obtenebration 2 Blood Doll 2 Power Structure The Barrens The Hungry Coyote Information Superhighway Elysium: The Arboretum Elysian Fields Dominate 3 Scouting Mission 6 Govern the Unaligned 6 Bonding 2 Threats 2 Foreshadowing Destruction 4 Deflection Potence 8 Thrown Gate 5 Thrown Sewer Lid Obtenebration 5 Arms of the Abyss 4 Shadow Play 2 Shadow Step Votes Crusade: Miami Crusade: Pittsburgh Crusade: Detroit Crusade: Toronto 2 Crusade: Chicago Crusade: Mexico City 4 Consanguineous Boon 2 Anarchist Uprising Political Stranglehold Camarilla Threat Disputed Territory Other 6 Fake Out Creation Rites 2 Wake With Evening's Freshness Total: 86 Cards 13 Masters = 15.1% --------------------------------- I played it last night, and it did pretty well. Comments? Suggestions? Is anyone else playing the Lasombra? James -- James E. Hamblin je...@cornell.edu "There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. ... Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender." -- G'Kar, Babylon 5: "Z'ha'dum"

In article <336275E2...@cornell.edu>, "James E. Hamblin" <je...@cornell.edu> wrote: > >So I've been wanting to make this Lasombra deck for a while now, and I >finally came to the conclusion that trying to make it a combat deck just >wasn't going to work. Obt and Dom just don't help Potence out at all >combat-wise. So I decided to make it a Vote/Bleed deck with Combat for >"fight back" combat defense. I agree. I haven't made my Lasombra deck yet, but I figured that I would make Potence a minor discipline and concentrate on Obtenabration for stealth and Dominate for bleed and use some voting. Now, if you could get enough Entombments you would not need Potence. The same thing happens with the Giovanni. When I get to making them, the Potence will get left out and I will try to make it a Tap and Bleed deck, using the Jar the Soul card and for combat defense use the one that has Dodge or Combat Ends at superior (Spiritual Intervention). >I played it last night, and it did pretty well. Comments? >Suggestions? Is anyone else playing the Lasombra? Looks good. I guess get Entobments if you can, they are rare. I don't have much suggestion for the crypt. Some of the Antitribu clans got good mid-range vampires and others only had ones in the 9-10 range like the Lasombra. Love the name. Maybe you could rewrite the song... "Hey, hey we're the Lasombra and we like bleeding you down...

Martin Ward wrote: > > I agree. I haven't made my Lasombra deck yet, but I figured that I would make > Potence a minor discipline and concentrate on Obtenabration for stealth and > Dominate for bleed and use some voting. Now, if you could get enough > Entombments you would not need Potence. To some extent I feel obligated to use the Potence. If I didn't, I might as well play the Malkavians. Entombment is just too expensive (and too rare) for something which can be easily dodged or S:CEd. > The same thing happens with the Giovanni. When I get to making them, the > Potence will get left This was a point that I meant to make. Having the close range, Immortal Grapple punch you for seven deal takes up _way_ too many cards for your deck to be reasonably effective at anything else. This way, I have around 25 combat cards. I won't kill anyone, but hopefully I will not get killed, either. > out and I will try to make it a Tap and Bleed deck, > using the Jar the Soul card Mind Numb is so much more effective than Jar the Soul, since MN is not a 1:1 effect. JtS taps them, but then they untap next turn. With MN you tap them and they stay tapped for a turn. You can make a pretty effective Tap and Bleed deck with this card and some of the *ahem* useful Toreador-Anti's. I made this deck; it's on Mark Langsdorf's page if you want to take a look at it. > and for combat defense use the one that has Dodge > or Combat Ends at superior (Spiritual Intervention). I would put in some of the Nec aggro card. I don't remember exactly what it is, but I think it's only usable at long range, so you'd have to put in some maneuvers, but it's useful to keep people on their toes. Even Entombment may be expensive, but if I had one I'd play with it... > Looks good. I guess get Entobments if you can, they are rare. I don't have > much suggestion for the crypt. Some of the Antitribu clans got good mid-range > vampires and others only had ones in the 9-10 range like the Lasombra. Yeah, I agree here. If only my group hadn't made a house rule rendering the Tomb of Ramses nearly useless... Oh, well. > Love the name. Maybe you could rewrite the song... I was getting set to type the deck in, and I said "Damn, I need a name for this deck..." so I just put down the first thing I thought of. I would have made it "We're all cool and purple", but my friend Peter has already got that one. [ quoted text not captured ]

James E. Hamblin (je...@cornell.edu) inscribed in fleeting electrons: : I would put in some of the Nec aggro card. I don't remember exactly : what it is, but I think it's only usable at long range, so you'd have to : put in some maneuvers, but it's useful to keep people on their toes. : Even Entombment may be expensive, but if I had one I'd play with it... James... Not usable on the first round of combat... S'why Necromancy sucks opossum balls. And the card that *would* have gone well with the Potence angle of the Giovanni, i.e. after smacking someone for six and then "push, twist, pop", Soul Stealing, is an action modifier, and so not usable during combat. The Giovanni are so completely, well, and even truly screwed. Dave G. -- Ohhh... Mmmhmmm... sweet, nourishing gruel...

In article <3362D2E1...@cornell.edu>, "James E. Hamblin" <je...@cornell.edu> wrote: >Mind Numb is so much more effective than Jar the Soul, since MN is not a >1:1 effect. JtS taps them, but then they untap next turn. With MN you >tap them and they stay tapped for a turn. You can make a pretty >effective Tap and Bleed deck with this card and some of the *ahem* >useful Toreador-Anti's. I made this deck; it's on Mark Langsdorf's page >if you want to take a look at it. I've seen it. The thing with JtS is that from my understanding of the WoD, your soul gets taken and put in a magic jar. Put this into card game terms and it would seem that JtS should work exactly like Sensory Deprivation. I agree it is weak. >> and for combat defense use the one that has Dodge >> or Combat Ends at superior (Spiritual Intervention). > >I would put in some of the Nec aggro card. I don't remember exactly >what it is, but I think it's only usable at long range, so you'd have to >put in some maneuvers, but it's useful to keep people on their toes. >Even Entombment may be expensive, but if I had one I'd play with it. Torment the Soul and it works on the second round, but it is ranged aggro.

David Joseph Greenbaum wrote: > > James... Not usable on the first round of combat... S'why Necromancy > sucks opossum balls. And the card that *would* have gone well with > the > Potence angle of the Giovanni, i.e. after smacking someone for six > and > then "push, twist, pop", Soul Stealing, is an action modifier, and so > not > usable during combat. The Giovanni are so completely, well, and even > truly screwed. > > Dave G. > -- > Ohhh... Mmmhmmm... sweet, nourishing gruel... The giovanni can make a horrifyingly good potence deck, using necromancy for intercept... Gaspare Giovanni's a great choice... "Once you pop, you can't stop..." A couple of Pushing the Limits, a few pulled fangs, the occasional decapitate, and a couple of death pacts for fun. If you're just being mean, pop them in the nose for two (Gaspare's normal hand damage). Disarm them, then decapitate them. Lots of body parts flying everywhere...

On Sun, 27 Apr 97 02:22:16 GMT, mnw...@auracom.com (Martin Ward) wrote: > >I agree. I haven't made my Lasombra deck yet, but I figured that I would make >Potence a minor discipline and concentrate on Obtenabration for stealth and >Dominate for bleed and use some voting. Now, if you could get enough >Entombments you would not need Potence. > >The same thing happens with the Giovanni. When I get to making them, the >Potence will get left out and I will try to make it a Tap and Bleed deck, >using the Jar the Soul card and for combat defense use the one that has Dodge >or Combat Ends at superior (Spiritual Intervention). > I made a Giovanni/Lasombra deck using Potence/Dominate. Let me though and I'll bleed you to death, block me and get pummeled into torpor.

car...@airmail.com wrote: > > I made a Giovanni/Lasombra deck using Potence/Dominate. > > Let me though and I'll bleed you to death, block me and get pummeled > into torpor. The problem with this is that it's difficult to be very successful in combat with _just_ potence. Barring use of Thoughts Betrayed (yuck!) or something substandard like Fake Out, you won't be able to do anything about maneuvers. Unless, of course, you're a pitch deck, in which case you won't be able to do anything about S:CE. [ quoted text not captured ]

Stephen Muray wrote: > > The giovanni can make a horrifyingly good potence deck, using necromancy > for intercept... Hmm... I considered this (except with the Lasombra and that Obt intercept card), but again you have the problem that Potence by itself isn't amazingly effective in combat due to the lack of maneuvers. Obt has Shadow Step, but that's rare. I don't think Nec has any maneuvers at all. > Gaspare Giovanni's a great choice... "Once you pop, you can't stop..." > > A couple of Pushing the Limits, a few pulled fangs, the occasional > decapitate, and a couple of death pacts for fun. > > If you're just being mean, pop them in the nose for two (Gaspare's > normal hand damage). Disarm them, then decapitate them. Lots of body > parts flying everywhere... Of course, you'd need a good helping of Immortal Grapple to make sure they stay put while you kill them... :) [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <336275E2...@cornell.edu>, James E. Hamblin <je...@cornell.edu> wrote: >So I've been wanting to make this Lasombra deck for a while now, and I >finally came to the conclusion that trying to make it a combat deck just >wasn't going to work. Obt and Dom just don't help Potence out at all >combat-wise. So I decided to make it a Vote/Bleed deck with Combat for >"fight back" combat defense. I don't know... It seems to me that obtenebration might be very useful in combination with potence (shadow step/immortal grapple, also arms of the abyss and entombment to deal with annoying fortitude people). I don't have the cards to get something like this working myself, but it might be doable, if you can somehow get around the fact the Lasombra vamps are pretty poor in their entirety. (Maybe use Agatha and Hugo for more potence?) Aside from that, it looks decent, although it still suffers from the Lasambra vamp problem. [ quoted text not captured ] >I played it last night, and it did pretty well. Comments? >Suggestions? Is anyone else playing the Lasombra? > >James >-- > >James E. Hamblin >je...@cornell.edu > >"There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the > darkness of the soul that has lost its way. ... Greater than > the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. > Against this peril we can never surrender." > > -- G'Kar, Babylon 5: "Z'ha'dum" -- Robert Granat Lackey of the Schnitzel Industry

rag...@ugcs.caltech.edu wrote: > > In article <336275E2...@cornell.edu>, > James E. Hamblin <je...@cornell.edu> wrote: > >So I've been wanting to make this Lasombra deck for a while now, and I > >finally came to the conclusion that trying to make it a combat deck just > >wasn't going to work. Obt and Dom just don't help Potence out at all > >combat-wise. So I decided to make it a Vote/Bleed deck with Combat for > >"fight back" combat defense. > > I don't know... It seems to me that obtenebration might be very useful > in combination with potence (shadow step/immortal grapple, also arms of > the abyss and entombment to deal with annoying fortitude people). I > don't have the cards to get something like this working myself, but it > might be doable, if you can somehow get around the fact the Lasombra > vamps are pretty poor in their entirety. (Maybe use Agatha and Hugo for > more potence?) Well, that's the problem, though. To make the combination somewhat useful, you need lots of rare cards. I have 2 Shadow Steps, and I've pawed through almost all of the local players' Obt cards. No Entombments, either. > Aside from that, it looks decent, although it still suffers from the > Lasambra vamp problem. They're not that bad, really. Maybe if I had a lot of early pressure, like from a nasty S&B deck, I might get hosed, but the blood gain angles work pretty well. [ quoted text not captured ]

James E. Hamblin wrote: > > Stephen Muray wrote: > > > > The giovanni can make a horrifyingly good potence deck, using > > necromancy for intercept... > > Hmm... I considered this (except with the Lasombra and that Obt > intercept card), but again you have the problem that Potence by itself > isn't amazingly effective in combat due to the lack of maneuvers. Obt > has Shadow Step, but that's rare. I don't think Nec has any maneuvers > at all. So chuck gravestones at him (Sacrament of Carnage) or sewer lids. Or Fords. > > > Gaspare Giovanni's a great choice... "Once you pop, you can't > > stop..." > > > > A couple of Pushing the Limits, a few pulled fangs, the occasional > > decapitate, and a couple of death pacts for fun. > > > > If you're just being mean, pop them in the nose for two (Gaspare's > > normal hand damage). Disarm them, then decapitate them. Lots of body > > parts flying everywhere... > > Of course, you'd need a good helping of Immortal Grapple to make sure > they stay put while you kill them... :) Yup. Pretty simple. Frighteningly effective.

James E. Hamblin wrote: > > So I've been wanting to make this Lasombra deck for a while now, and I > finally came to the conclusion that trying to make it a combat deck just > wasn't going to work. Obt and Dom just don't help Potence out at all > combat-wise. So I decided to make it a Vote/Bleed deck with Combat for > "fight back" combat defense. [Deck snipped] > > I played it last night, and it did pretty well. Comments? > Suggestions? Is anyone else playing the Lasombra? > > James > -- > > James E. Hamblin > je...@cornell.edu Huh? Dom not helping in combat? How about Thoughts Betrayed, pound, pound, pound, Taste of Vitae sound? Or how about the Dodge Additional strike card, Arms of the Abyss, for Obt, it doesn't cost a blood like Acrobatics. -- Jeffrey Endres Undergrad B. Eng (Aerospace Avionics) Queensland University of Technology "All human actions are equivalent ... and ... all are on principle doomed to failure." Jean-Paul Sartre (Being and Nothingness, Conclusion, sct. 2)

James E. Hamblin wrote: > > car...@airmail.com wrote: > > > > I made a Giovanni/Lasombra deck using Potence/Dominate. > > > > Let me though and I'll bleed you to death, block me and get pummeled > > into torpor. > > The problem with this is that it's difficult to be very successful in > combat with _just_ potence. Barring use of Thoughts Betrayed (yuck!) or > something substandard like Fake Out, you won't be able to do anything > about maneuvers. Unless, of course, you're a pitch deck, in which case > you won't be able to do anything about S:CE. > The biggest problems I have with my Giovanni POT/NEC deck are S:CE and dodge. Against dodges, I'll just keep pressing until you run out, but it gets a little annoying to be hit by a few "Dodge with an Additional"'s...

On Sun, 27 Apr 1997 19:28:53 -0400, "James E. Hamblin" <je...@cornell.edu> wrote: >car...@airmail.com wrote: >> >> I made a Giovanni/Lasombra deck using Potence/Dominate. >> >> Let me though and I'll bleed you to death, block me and get pummeled >> into torpor. > >The problem with this is that it's difficult to be very successful in >combat with _just_ potence. Barring use of Thoughts Betrayed (yuck!) or >something substandard like Fake Out, you won't be able to do anything >about maneuvers. Unless, of course, you're a pitch deck, in which case >you won't be able to do anything about S:CE. > >James >-- > >James E. Hamblin >je...@cornell.edu > It was great fun to play though, escpecially the first couple of times, before everyone figured out what was in it. Besides, Sewer lids usually handled the opponents manuevers quite well.

Jeffrey Endres wrote: > > Huh? Dom not helping in combat? How about Thoughts Betrayed, pound, > pound, pound, Taste of Vitae sound? Well, (1) the card is just wrong, and (2) our group has a house rule making TB's effect less overtly heinous. > Or how about the Dodge Additional strike card, Arms of the Abyss, for > Obt, it doesn't cost a blood like Acrobatics. I've got them... fortunately, it's also a Dodge at inferior. Very useful... James -- James E. Hamblin je...@cornell.edu "There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the [ quoted text not captured ]

Stephen Muray wrote: > > The biggest problems I have with my Giovanni POT/NEC deck are S:CE and > dodge. If your angle is to be a combat deck, then you almost have to be using short range big Pot strikes, with Immortal Grapple. The pitch strategy on defense works fairly well, but without Celerity for additional strikes, it's not that great for offense. > Against dodges, I'll just keep pressing until you run out, but it gets a > little annoying to be hit by a few "Dodge with an Additional"'s... If you're at close range, Immortal Grapple them. [ quoted text not captured ]

David Joseph Greenbaum wrote: > Soul Stealing, is an action modifier, and so not > usable during combat. Soul Stealing has errata that adds a superior version to the card (from the errata list posted monthly): Soul Stealing [DS] - Action Modifier{/Combat} (ne): The normal version can only be used as an action modifier (card text). Superior: As above, and this card can also be played as a combat card. (errata) [RTR] -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@regency.wizards.com) Official VtES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. (*) - Subject to review by Rules Team

James E. Hamblin wrote: > > Jeffrey Endres wrote: > > > > Huh? Dom not helping in combat? How about Thoughts Betrayed, pound, > > pound, pound, Taste of Vitae sound? > > Well, (1) the card is just wrong, and (2) our group has a house rule > making TB's effect less overtly heinous. > > > Or how about the Dodge Additional strike card, Arms of the Abyss, for > > Obt, it doesn't cost a blood like Acrobatics. > > I've got them... fortunately, it's also a Dodge at inferior. Very > useful... Yeah, I agree with other people here, 1 combat discipline does not a combat deck make, you need two to tango. Given you're moral stance against thoughts betrayed the Giovanni only have 1, but I think that the Lasombra are nothing like the Giovanni because they have Arms of the Abyss. Celerity (guns/pot/thau) decks tend to mince pure potence, that additional strike is crucial. I havent played my Lasombra deck, I tried to make it bleed, vote, and pound it turned out 150 cards, and I havent decided which way to go. La la la James B. 'He had brought a large map representing the sea without the least vestige of land, and the crew were much pleased when they found it to be, a map they could all understand.' The Hunting of the Snark, Lewis Carrol

James B. Floate wrote: > > Yeah, I agree with other people here, 1 combat discipline does not a > combat deck make, you need two to tango. Given you're moral stance > against thoughts betrayed the Giovanni only have 1, but I think that the > Lasombra are nothing like the Giovanni because they have Arms of the > Abyss. Certainly Obt is much more useful than Nec... Here's a breakdown of the cards: Necromancy * Compel the Spirit Useless at inferior, and even at superior requires you to be playing with retainers and allies, which mostly suck. * Eyes of the Dead Completely useless. Isn't this one also obsoleted by an AH or Sabbat card? * Jar the Soul Pretty much useless for a tap and bleed deck, and even though the superior is a mildly useful effect, why put this card in? * Possession Probably the only reason to use Necromancy. Very useful with Minion Tap / Golconda combos. * Release of the Shackled Soul Again useless because allies are useless. * Soul Stealing Weak when compared to Ritual of the Bitter Rose. * Spectral Divination One of the few useful Nec cards, though it costs a blood. * Spiritual Intervention Why would you want to S:CE unless you weren't using Potence? Doesn't work well with the Giovanni's other abilities. * Torment the Soul Ranged aggro, but not usable first round. Still doesn't mix well with Potence. * Death Pact Would you like me to write a treatise on how completely and utterly useless this card is? * Whispers from the Dead The "Carlotta Card". Under NL, Carlotta's ability is not a big deal, and certainly not enough to make a card out of it. This is "card disadvantage", baby. Well, that's it. 11 cards, and maybe 2 or 3 actually usable. Obtenebration * Arms of the Abyss Very useful; comparable to Acrobatics, and doesn't cost a blood. Mixes well with Potence. * Call the Lamprey Completely useless. Only actually _usable_ at superior, and why would you want to? * Entombment One of the examples of Sabbat escalation. Needless to say, a good card. * Eyes of the Night A good card, even better than its Auspex equivalent. * Shade Just like Wolf Companion, and just as useful: not very. * Shadow Body What Form of Mist should have been, though appropriately nowhere near as useful. * Shadow Play A very useful card which works well with Dominate, though it does cost a blood. * Shadow Step Sabbat introduced us to "range-setty-action" (qv Caleian), and this is a useful card. Shadow Step, Immortal Grapple is kind of nasty. * Shroud of Night A nice variation on Shadow Play, exchanging +1 stealth and the blood cost for the bleed restriction. * Summon the Abyss An interesting card... not obviously useless, but not obviously useful, either. 10 cards, with most of them useful. > I havent played my Lasombra deck, I tried > to make it bleed, vote, and pound it turned out 150 cards, and I havent > decided which way to go. I think the only options are bleed/fight and bleed/vote. Vote/fight doesn't really work very well, since votes don't directly get you into fights, while Bruise and bleed will. Bleeds and votes work pretty well together, since you theoretically have multiple ways to kill people. [ quoted text not captured ]

Stephen Muray wrote: > > James E. Hamblin wrote: > > > > * Jar the Soul > > Pretty much useless for a tap and bleed deck, and even though the > > superior is a mildly useful effect, why put this card in? > > Useful if there's a Strained Vitae Supply out, or some intercept. I guess it's comparable to Cryptic Mission, but I've never really seen the usefulness of that card, either, other than to be annoying. > > * Release of the Shackled Soul > > Again useless because allies are useless. > > A few allies are actually somewhat nice, but it's not worth putting this > card in to protect against Goth Bands or War Ghouls... There are some useful allies (not many), but anti-ally cards are completely useless. > > * Torment the Soul > > Ranged aggro, but not usable first round. Still doesn't mix well with > > Potence. > > It's not *THAT* bad, but you might as well stick with Burning Wrath or > Pulled Fangs or Disarm... Like I said, it's a fine card by itself, it just doesn't work well with the other disciplines the Giovanni have. > > * Death Pact > > Would you like me to write a treatise on how completely and utterly > > useless this card is? > > Level 10 Discipline. Horribly Cheesy Card. But in friendly games I > have two in the deck... Sort of like "Contract". That Vampire *WILL* > burn. I'm not sure what you're saying here... you actually think this card is useful? [ quoted text not captured ]

James E. Hamblin wrote: > > * Jar the Soul > Pretty much useless for a tap and bleed deck, and even though the > superior is a mildly useful effect, why put this card in? Useful if there's a Strained Vitae Supply out, or some intercept. > * Release of the Shackled Soul > Again useless because allies are useless. A few allies are actually somewhat nice, but it's not worth putting this card in to protect against Goth Bands or War Ghouls... > * Spectral Divination > One of the few useful Nec cards, though it costs a blood. Probably the best Nec card in there. > * Spiritual Intervention > Why would you want to S:CE unless you weren't using Potence? Doesn't > work well with the Giovanni's other abilities. Extremely silly... Umm... Hmmm.... Nope, can't think of a use. > * Torment the Soul > Ranged aggro, but not usable first round. Still doesn't mix well with > Potence. It's not *THAT* bad, but you might as well stick with Burning Wrath or Pulled Fangs or Disarm... [ quoted text not captured ]

James E. Hamblin wrote: > > > > > Level 10 Discipline. Horribly Cheesy Card. But in friendly games I > > have two in the deck... Sort of like "Contract". That Vampire > > *WILL* burn. > > I'm not sure what you're saying here... you actually think this card > is useful? > Nonono... I in no way mean to say that Death Pact is actually a useful card. It's one of the silliest cards in Jyhad. The only good thing about it is that in the group I play with, I'll drop one on someone using one of the weaker Giovanni, and the person who's vampire it is knows that the vampire annoys me and will die very soon. It's like putting a contract on someone. Somewhat useless, but good for story. And you would think that a level 10 discipline in V:TM would actually be useful, after all it "allows the character to act as if he were the Prince of Darkness himself."

In article <33642E...@student.qut.edu.au>, Jeffrey Endres <j.en...@student.qut.edu.au> wrote: > >James E. Hamblin wrote: >> >> So I've been wanting to make this Lasombra deck for a while now, and I >> finally came to the conclusion that trying to make it a combat deck just >> wasn't going to work. Obt and Dom just don't help Potence out at all >> combat-wise. So I decided to make it a Vote/Bleed deck with Combat for >> "fight back" combat defense. > >[Deck snipped] > >> >> I played it last night, and it did pretty well. Comments? >> Suggestions? Is anyone else playing the Lasombra? >> >> James >> -- >> >> James E. Hamblin >> je...@cornell.edu Well, I've had a Lasombra deck for a while based on Entombments. Rush a vampire, send him to torpor with Superior Entombment then use Graverobbing with Obtenebration stealth to steal him. Add some Mind Rapes and lots of Bleed and some political. The best combat for Lasombra besides entombment is that S:CE (the name escapes me) and the dodge/additional strike. Potence just doesn't work on its own so don't even try. The deck has worked pretty well so far, although S&B kills it (of course) because of the high cost of the Lasombra. -Sam Hillier big...@connect.ab.ca

In article <336275E2...@cornell.edu>, "James E. Hamblin" <je...@cornell.edu> says: > >So I've been wanting to make this Lasombra deck for a while now, and I >finally came to the conclusion that trying to make it a combat deck just >wasn't going to work. Obt and Dom just don't help Potence out at all >combat-wise. So I decided to make it a Vote/Bleed deck with Combat for >"fight back" combat defense. > >I played it last night, and it did pretty well. Comments? >Suggestions? Is anyone else playing the Lasombra? > I have made very effective Lasombra deck. Using Thoughts Betrayed, Arms of the Abyss+pulled fangs and Entombment they win most of the fights. My only bleeding card is Return to Innocence. My damage dealing cards are usually banishments. Political Struggle is good card to get extra votes. Burning an enemy vampire is very easy with Lasombras. Use Thoughts Betrayed and then arms of the abyss and pulled fangs/entombment. Decapitae finishes enemy with style. (Amaranth would be better but I don`t want to risk my vampires) --Marko--

In article <5kekem$e...@tron.sci.fi>, gu...@sci.fi (Marko Saari) wrote: >I have made very effective Lasombra deck. Using Thoughts Betrayed, Arms >of the Abyss+pulled fangs and Entombment they win most of the fights. >My only bleeding card is Return to Innocence. My damage dealing >cards are usually banishments. Political Struggle is good card to get >extra votes. Burning an enemy vampire is very easy with Lasombras. Use >Thoughts Betrayed and then arms of the abyss and pulled fangs/entombment. >Decapitae finishes enemy with style. (Amaranth would be better but I don`t >want to risk my vampires) You know... something about this just doesn't seem right? How many Entombments, RTIs, and Pulled Fangs do you have? These are rare and damn hard for me to get, even with the net. The guy that posts here selling Sabbat, doesn't have Entombments and it seems that the rares in the set are hard to get (because no one is buying after the first month of it's release). You say " My damage dealing cards are usually banishments". What is meant by this?