HELP!
The way we interpret 'attack' is that if this action is left unblocked, the
acting vampire gets 1 free shot at another vampire, and since it is not cambat,
no combat cards can be used (usually only 1 point damage unless a weapon is
used). If the methusalah chooses to and can block, the blocking minion and the
acting one enter into combat as usual.
Is this the correct interpretation?
-- Christian Stone
(wolfgang@wam.umd.edu)
Dude, I don't know what rules you are using. If an action is
left unblocked nothing but the action happens. You don't get to choose
a target to arbitrarily attack. You can't even declare to attack
someone else's minion unless you have a card that allows you to.
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JAMMER
You've totally misunderstood my question. There are action cards which allows
a minion to ATTACK another vampire as a directed action. However, attack is
not defined in the rulebook. My question was to the meaning of attack.
Some time ago, someone interpreted it as meaning 'go directly into combat with'.
Our group has interpreted attack as to do damage to: ie, NOT COMBAT, you just
do <1> damage to the vampire, unless you have special equipment which directs
otherwise. I wish to know which one is correct. Either.
<OPTION 1> directed action targets a minion as an 'attack'. Minions enter
directly into combat, unless another minion blocks the directed action. Note,
since the targeted Vampire doesn't have to block, it is not tapped before combat
begins, since tapping is not required for combar, only blocking.
<OPTION 2> same as option 1, except the targeted Vampire must tap if the
directed action is successful, and combat begins.
<OPTION 3> If the directed action to 'attack' another vampire is not blocked
by a minion of the controlled vampires methuselah, the acting vampire gets
to do -1- damage, or by weapon, to that vampire without retribution. Note:
this is NOT actually combat, your action does not tap the minion, and you may
not use any combat cards to modify your action.
<SIDE NOTE> If option 1 or 2 is the actual answer, then can the minion react
in combat if it was already tapped before the direction action was announced.
I would think so, but the rules seem to 'imply' that a minion may only take
one action between it's controlling methuselah's untap phases unless a card
is played that untaps it.
Please, no sarcastic remarks, I know this is not magic, that is why I'm asking
what exactly 'attack' means on the cards which give a creature this ability
against another vampire!
-- Christian Stone.
not use any combat cards to modify your action.
In rec.games.deckmaster wolfgang@wam.umd.edu (Rock Climbing Wolf) writes:
>The way we interpret 'attack' is that if this action is left unblocked, the
>acting vampire gets 1 free shot at another vampire, and since it is not cambat,
>no combat cards can be used (usually only 1 point damage unless a weapon is
>used). If the methusalah chooses to and can block, the blocking minion and the
>acting one enter into combat as usual.>Is this the correct interpretation?
Doesn't sound like it to me. Note that normally, you can not attack a
vampire directly; combat only occurs when a block happens. However,
some cards allow you to attack a vampire directly, for example Haven
Uncovered. The most straightforward interpretation of this, IMO, is
that this simply allows you to take an action which is, "Attempt to
initiate combat with this vampire." This action can be blocked as
normal; if unblocked, combat occurs. The target vampire is *not*
tapped.
If this was not the interpretation, and they wanted an interpretation
such as you suggest to be used, they would have had to state this in
the rules.
All MO, of course; Tom?
Rollie
In rec.games.deckmaster wolfgang@wam.umd.edu (Rock Climbing Wolf) writes:
><OPTION 1> directed action targets a minion as an 'attack'. Minions enter
>directly into combat, unless another minion blocks the directed action. Note,
>since the targeted Vampire doesn't have to block, it is not tapped before combat
>begins, since tapping is not required for combar, only blocking.
This is the option that I favor, as it is the one which (a) requires
the least interpretation/making up of rules, and (b) is therefore most
consistent with the rules.
><SIDE NOTE> If option 1 or 2 is the actual answer, then can the minion react
>in combat if it was already tapped before the direction action was announced.
>I would think so, but the rules seem to 'imply' that a minion may only take
>one action between it's controlling methuselah's untap phases unless a card
>is played that untaps it.
I would say yes. Note that combat normally occurs between two *tapped*
minions; the acting vampire must tap when it attempts to act, and the
blocking vampire must tap when it successfully blocks. Thus being
tapped has no effect on your combat abilities.
Rollie
In article <33gf2d$7aa@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> davebeed@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu
(Jammer) writes:
>Jyhad Rules every one should sell/or throw away all their Magic cards
>and buy into Jyhad. Remember to get in while the cards are still in
>their Alpha printing. If it works just like Magic you could be
>investing into a gold mine.
Don't kid yourself. The Jyhad first printing is *much* bigger than
MtG's and Jyhad may never reach the same level of popularity.
I'd view the current edition of Jyhad as being roughly equivalent
to Unlimited Edition Magic without the spoilers.
*If* some Rares go out of print (especially if they *do* turn out to
be spoilers) then you may see high prices. But that may not happen.
Paul K.
Rock Climbing Wolf <wolfgang@wam.umd.edu> wrote:
>You've totally misunderstood my question. There are action cards which allows
>a minion to ATTACK another vampire as a directed action. However, attack is
>not defined in the rulebook. My question was to the meaning of attack.
>Some time ago, someone interpreted it as meaning go directly into combat with
>Our group has interpreted attack as to do damage to: ie, NOT COMBAT, you just
>do <1> damage to the vampire, unless you have special equipment which directs
>otherwise. I wish to know which one is correct. Either.
To attack another vampire means to go into combat with it, following the
normal procedures as if the victim had blocked the acting minion. For
example, take Bum's Rush:
"Do not replace until after combat. <D> Attack an opponent's minion.
You have an optional maneuver usable during this combat."
What this means is that as that action, the acting minion will enter combat
with the opponent's minion. The action can be blocked normally, in which
case the acting minion will instead go into combat with the blocker.
Assuming the action is not blocked, a full combat ensues, with the acting
minion getting an optional maneuver. No, this doesn't tap the victim.
><SIDE NOTE> If option 1 or 2 is the actual answer, then can the minion react
>in combat if it was already tapped before the direction action was announced.
Sure.
>I would think so, but the rules seem to 'imply' that a minion may only take
>one action between it's controlling methuselah's untap phases unless a card
>is played that untaps it.
Yes, but playing a combat card is not an action. If that were true, then
it would be extremely difficult for an acting minion to use combat cards
if blocked...
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