A funny situation came up a while ago:
I played Malkavian Dementia on my prey's Sylvester Simms (and bled him
with conditioning, hehe..). Later my predator tries to bleed me, so
I play Wake with Eavning's Freshness on Sylvester and combat ensues.
Sylvester recieves aggrovated damage (what a pity.. hehe) and goes to
torpor. Nothing strange so far, but my predator plays Grave Robbing in
order to gain control of Sylvester.
What will happen?
My prey argued that he would still get Sylvester back in my untap phase
and my prey argued that he would have Sylvester as his.
Who is right?
I may add that we soved this the easy way: my predator's predator (grand
predator?) decided to block the Grave Robbing
Magnus Karperyd
Magnus Karperyd (d93-mka@nada.kth.se) wrote:
: A funny situation came up a while ago:
: I played Malkavian Dementia on my prey's Sylvester Simms (and bled him
: with conditioning, hehe..). Later my predator tries to bleed me, so
: I play Wake with Eavning's Freshness on Sylvester and combat ensues.
: Sylvester recieves aggrovated damage (what a pity.. hehe) and goes to
: torpor. Nothing strange so far, but my predator plays Grave Robbing in
: order to gain control of Sylvester. : What will happen?
: My prey argued that he would still get Sylvester back in my untap phase
: and my prey argued that he would have Sylvester as his.
: Who is right?: I may add that we soved this the easy way: my predator's predator (grand
: predator?) decided to block the Grave Robbing : Magnus Karperyd
Now, I'm no authority on this but my guess would be that Sylvester belongs
to your predator. I would base this on two things. First, it would no
longer be your vampire to return. You would have lost control of him,
and it seems reasonable to assume that he is no longer yours so how could
you give him back. Secondly, the grave robbing is a perment state, and
there is obviously an order of precedence that I would subscribe to the most
recently playerd card(ie. the grave robbing card).
This brings up what would be another problem. What if instead
of graverobbing, someone had played another Malkavian Dementia? When would the malkavian return to the first Malkavian "thief" and when to his/her original
controller?
Can we get a ruling on this Tom?
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In article <39nv9b$9jq@apollo.it.luc.edu> pjensen@orion.it.luc.edu (Paul Jensen) writes:
>>Magnus Karperyd (d93-mka@nada.kth.se) wrote:
>>: I played Malkavian Dementia on my prey's Sylvester Simms (and bled him
>>: with conditioning, hehe..). Later my predator tries to bleed me, so
>>: I play Wake with Eavning's Freshness on Sylvester and combat ensues.
>>: Sylvester recieves aggrovated damage (what a pity.. hehe) and goes to
>>: torpor. Nothing strange so far, but my predator plays Grave Robbing in
>>: order to gain control of Sylvester.
>>
>>: What will happen?
>>: I may add that we soved this the easy way: my predator's predator (grand
>>: predator?) decided to block the Grave Robbing
This could be a problem in itself, unless your predator's predator
was using Eagle's Sight (Super: may attempt to block any action),
since Grave Robbing is a directed action (only the affected
Methuselah can block).
>>Now, I'm no authority on this but my guess would be that Sylvester belongs
>>to your predator. I would base this on two things. First, it would no
>>longer be your vampire to return. You would have lost control of him,
>>and it seems reasonable to assume that he is no longer yours so how could
>>you give him back. Secondly, the grave robbing is a perment state, and
>>there is obviously an order of precedence that I would subscribe to the most
>>recently playerd card(ie. the grave robbing card).
I would concur with this -- Sylvester was permanently controlled, so
your temporary control of him is negated, as is your prey's permanent
control. It is ambiguous, though.
>>This brings up what would be another problem. What if instead
>>of graverobbing, someone had played another Malkavian Dementia?
>>When would the malkavian return to the first Malkavian "thief"
>>and when to his/her original controller?
This case, however, I think is pretty unambiguous. The text of
Malkavian Dementia says (something like): You control target
Malkavian until your next untap.
So, my guess is, you (Meth 1) Dementia Meth 2's Malkavian during your
turn, Meth 3 Dementias the same Malkavian away from you on his turn.
Now, your untap comes around, and the effect of your Dementia runs
out. When Meth 3's untap comes around, the poor, confuzzled
Malkavian reverts back to the original controller (Meth 2), who is at
this point righteously pissed (or more likely dead).
Josh Bluestein
wabe@ftp.com
Magnus Karperyd <d93-mka@nada.kth.se> wrote:
>A funny situation came up a while ago:
>I played Malkavian Dementia on my prey's Sylvester Simms (and bled him
> with conditioning, hehe..). Later my predator tries to bleed me, so
>I play Wake with Eavning's Freshness on Sylvester and combat ensues.
>Sylvester recieves aggrovated damage (what a pity.. hehe) and goes to
>torpor. Nothing strange so far, but my predator plays Grave Robbing in
>order to gain control of Sylvester.
>What will happen?
Sylvester will go into your torpor region. On your next untap phase,
you lose control of him, and he goes to his old controller's torpor region.
If you steal a Malkavian with the Dementia, it only goes back to its
old controller if you still have control of it on your next untap phase.
So if Sylvester had been Grave Robbed, he would not have returned to the
old control on your next untap phase.
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aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.