Rick Mc Leod <rxm@mda.com.au> wrote:
>This 'Golden Rule of Card Ownership': Maybe I read more intent (or common
>sense) into it than as written, but I was herein faced with the following
>situation. X has carried a vote for Rumors of Gehenna on X and myself.
>X is also hurting with one V contested, Tatiana in torpor, and one
>(bloodless) V under Masq. Endangered. I use Grave Robbing on Tatiana.
>Next turn, I oust my prey. Defenseless X is ousted seconds later on the
>next bleed. (5 players remain). X invokes the "Golden Rule' to revoke
>Tatiana and Gehenna from the game.
Yup, that's how it works.
>There's: "Wait a minute: The <controlled thing> still exists. Why don't
>I just pull one out of my spares, and you can take your card."
Because that's not what the GR says. If you are ousted, all cards you
own are burned and returned to you; whether the people still in the game
own any replacement cards is irrelevant.
>What is WotC's position on the GR? Also, would Gehenna necessarily
>disappear just because of the card. I thought it was a "condition",
>more than a permanent card.
It meets one of the three criteria for staying in play rather than merely
being an effect (namely, it can be burned by calling a vote), so it does
stick around, and is burned if its owner is ousted. This would not apply
to, say, Kindred Restructure, which doesn't meet any of the criteria for
sticking around, so is just an "effect" and would apply even after
the CE's owner is ousted.
Again, the three criteria to see whether something stays in play vs.
just being an effect:
1. The card is a location, skill, retainer, ally, or equipment.
2. The card says to place it on something (typically a vampire).
3. The card gives some condition for being burnt or stolen.
Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for
aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.
I heard this from somewhere, but I'm hoping to have a more official ruling
on it (Tom, any ideas?).
Someone uses a mass destruction spell (Wrath of God, Nevinyrral's Disk, etc)
Could one use various enchantments and abilities such as regeneration to
save them. I can only remember an example of a regenerating craw wurm or
something, and the player regenerated the craw wurm, keeping it in play
(though the enchantment was lost). Just curious (and tired of WoG and the
disk).
Chris
In <35543m$q9l@perv.hal.COM>, aahz@hal.COM (Tom Wylie) writes:
>Rick Mc Leod <rxm@mda.com.au> wrote:>>This 'Golden Rule of Card Ownership': Maybe I read more intent (or common
>>sense) into it than as written, but I was herein faced with the following
>>situation. X has carried a vote for Rumors of Gehenna on X and myself.
>>X is also hurting with one V contested, Tatiana in torpor, and one
>>(bloodless) V under Masq. Endangered. I use Grave Robbing on Tatiana.
>>Next turn, I oust my prey. Defenseless X is ousted seconds later on the
>>next bleed. (5 players remain). X invokes the "Golden Rule' to revoke
>>Tatiana and Gehenna from the game.>
>Yup, that's how it works.
>>>There's: "Wait a minute: The <controlled thing> still exists. Why don't
>>I just pull one out of my spares, and you can take your card.">
>Because that's not what the GR says. If you are ousted, all cards you
>own are burned and returned to you; whether the people still in the game
>own any replacement cards is irrelevant.
OK. So, we'll have to run a house rule, or we'll all play with my
cards. The logical extensions tax my brain. X is contesting two
vampires with Y when Y is ousted. Y's cards are burned, so the
contested cards with X are burned, too. Sure X got a victory point,
but lost the war. Big time.
>>What is WotC's position on the GR? Also, would Gehenna necessarily
>>disappear just because of the card. I thought it was a "condition",
>>more than a permanent card. >
>It meets one of the three criteria for staying in play rather than merely
>being an effect (namely, it can be burned by calling a vote), so it does
>stick around, and is burned if its owner is ousted. This would not apply
>to, say, Kindred Restructure, which doesn't meet any of the criteria for
>sticking around, so is just an "effect" and would apply even after
>the CE's owner is ousted.
Check that card again. It says this 'effect can be removed.' Doesn't
say anything about the card being burned. The card could be IN Gehenna
by your statement, because unlike the Army of Rats and others, it
doesn't refer to card, burning, or ashheap.
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CHRISTOPHER M. ACKNEY <cs911035@ariel.cs.yorku.ca> wrote:
>Someone uses a mass destruction spell (Wrath of God, Nevinyrral's Disk, etc)
>Could one use various enchantments and abilities such as regeneration to
>save them. I can only remember an example of a regenerating craw wurm or
>something, and the player regenerated the craw wurm, keeping it in play
>(though the enchantment was lost). Just curious...
Regeneration doesn't care why a creature is going to the graveyard, just
that it is, so can be used against non-targetted effects such as
the Disk. It cannot be used to save the creature from Wrath of God, but
that's because WoG buries the creature... it has nothing to do with whether
WoG is targetted or not.
Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for
aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.