JYHAD: more questions

1. If 2 vampires have contested weapons, do just the weapons get turned over? Is the blood paid by the vampires as in contested titles? What if an ally controls the weapon? Does it lose life points? 2. Can a minion take equipment from a vampire in torpor by just doing an equip action? 3. Can contested cards belonging to minions be taken by other minions using equip actions? 4. Is it proper to say that a contested card is out of play? 5. What's the deal with that FAQ question about contested location cards? I don't understand it at all! Roberto -- Roberto Ullfig - ullfig@fnrobo.fnal.gov

In article <33h2bh$aqi@fnrobo.fnal.gov>, Roberto Ullfig <ullfig@fnrobo.fnal.gov> wrote: >1. If 2 vampires have contested weapons, do just the weapons >get turned over? Is the blood paid by the vampires as in >contested titles? What if an ally controls the weapon? Does >it lose life points? I've never seen a unique piece of equipment. Could you give an example? -- Doug DeJulio ddj@zardoz.elbows.org

In article <1994Aug25.110705.1518@driftwood.cray.com> robd@cray.com (Robert Derrick) writes: >>Doug DeJulio (ddj@zardoz.elbows.org) wrote: >> >>: I've never seen a unique piece of equipment. Could you give an example? >> >> Aaron's Feeding Razor - +1 bleed >> Monocle of Clarity - can ask a Meth a yes/no ques that must be >> answered truthfully. prob should be game related. >> Rowan Ring - strike paralyzes. ring goes to victim >> Soul Gem of Etrius - complicated -- but basically a free trip from >> the crypt when the conditions are right. Sengir Dagger - 1 aggravated damage - mods are aggravated too. Joshua Bluestein wabe@ftp.com

Doug DeJulio (ddj@zardoz.elbows.org) wrote: : I've never seen a unique piece of equipment. Could you give an example? Aaron's Feeding Razor - +1 bleed Monocle of Clarity - can ask a Meth a yes/no ques that must be answered truthfully. prob should be game related. Rowan Ring - strike paralyzes. ring goes to victim Soul Gem of Etrius - complicated -- but basically a free trip from the crypt when the conditions are right. rob derrick

In article <33h388$faa@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, Doug DeJulio <ddj@zardoz.elbows.org> wrote: >In article <33h2bh$aqi@fnrobo.fnal.gov>, >Roberto Ullfig <ullfig@fnrobo.fnal.gov> wrote: >>1. If 2 vampires have contested weapons, do just the weapons >>get turned over? Is the blood paid by the vampires as in >>contested titles? What if an ally controls the weapon? Does >>it lose life points? > >I've never seen a unique piece of equipment. Could you give an example? > The only one I've seen is called the Rowan Ring. Cool card, but frankly most of the time I'd prefer a .44 magnum (especially considering the artwork). Scott storm@tamsun.tamu.edu >-- >Doug DeJulio >ddj@zardoz.elbows.org

Roberto Ullfig <ullfig@fnrobo.fnal.gov> wrote: >1. If 2 vampires have contested weapons, do just the weapons >get turned over? Is the blood paid by the vampires as in >contested titles? What if an ally controls the weapon? Does >it lose life points? Bleah. I suspect they would follow the same rules as contested titles, i.e., the vampire equipped with the Razor (or whatever) would be paying the blood. I am checking on that. I suppose it's too much to hope for that all the unique equipment is only usable by vampires? ;) >2. Can a minion take equipment from a vampire in torpor by >just doing an equip action? Hm. I suspect the only thing you can do to a vampire in torpor is encounter it there (i.e., either rescue or diablerize it)... the second option would be one way of getting its equipment ;) The equipping rules don't say one way or the other, so I'll find out what the rule is. >3. Can contested cards belonging to minions be taken by >other minions using equip actions? Contested cards are essentially unusable, so no. >4. Is it proper to say that a contested card is out of play? Pretty much. >5. What's the deal with that FAQ question about contested >location cards? I don't understand it at all! Wow. What it's saying is that first, they follow the same rules as for contested vampires (can't use them, pay pool during untap, etc.) Second, if a vampire can take a directed action to burn that location (say, with Arson), then *all* instances of that location are burned, and the action cannot be blocked due to the locations being uncontrolled. Unsure whether Unnatural Disaster would burn all of them, but it makes sense that it would... Will check on that too. Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

Roberto Ullfig (ullfig@fnrobo.fnal.gov) wrote: >1. If 2 vampires have contested weapons, do just the weapons >get turned over? Is the blood paid by the vampires as in >contested titles? What if an ally controls the weapon? Does >it lose life points? Contested weapons are handled just like contested cards, so the weapons are turned over. They aren't titles, so the blood comes from your pool. An ally's owning the weapon doesn't alter how the contested weapon is handled. >5. What's the deal with that FAQ question about contested >location cards? I don't understand it at all! You're talking about that second sentence referring to burning the location with a directed action, right? I finally figured out what they mean: if someone uses Arson--a directed action card which burns a Methuselah's location--to burn a contested location, all cards contesting that location are burned. The location is contested and hence uncontrolled, so no one can block the action, and the contesting cards collectively represent a single location. -- Eric Amick eamick@clark.net Columbia, MD

In rec.games.deckmaster ullfig@fnrobo.fnal.gov (Roberto Ullfig) writes: >1. If 2 vampires have contested weapons, do just the weapons >get turned over? Is the blood paid by the vampires as in >contested titles? What if an ally controls the weapon? Does >it lose life points? It would seem to me that the rules on contested cards are unambiguous in this case. The rules on contested titles are specific to titles and should not apply. Note that the rules on contested cards state, "If two unique cards of the same type come into play..., the cards are both placed face down and are considered contested. You pay..." This indicates fairly clearly that a unique weapon that was contested would be turned over and contested by the Methuselahs's, but other than losing the weapon this should have no effect on the minion who was equipped with it. >2. Can a minion take equipment from a vampire in torpor by >just doing an equip action? The rules state (section 12.3.1, Equip Minions): "If you have a minion with equipment in play, this equipment may be taken from it by another of your minions..." Nowhere in the rules does it state that a vampire in torpor is considered out of play. So I'd say yes. >3. Can contested cards belonging to minions be taken by >other minions using equip actions? Depends on answer to 4; I'd say no. >4. Is it proper to say that a contested card is out of play? I'd say yes, for all purposes other that rules or cards which deal specifically with contested cards. >5. What's the deal with that FAQ question about contested >location cards? I don't understand it at all! I assume you don't understand this part: "If someone wants to burn a contested unique location as a direct action, she is automatically successful, as it is not controlled; all cards contesting that location are burned." I'd love an explanation of this part as well, especially with respect to the answer to number 4. Rollie

In article <1994Aug25.110705.1518@driftwood.cray.com>, Robert Derrick <robd@cray.com> wrote: >Doug DeJulio (ddj@zardoz.elbows.org) wrote: > >: I've never seen a unique piece of equipment. Could you give an example? > > Aaron's Feeding Razor - +1 bleed > Monocle of Clarity - can ask a Meth a yes/no ques that must be > answered truthfully. prob should be game related. > Rowan Ring - strike paralyzes. ring goes to victim > Soul Gem of Etrius - complicated -- but basically a free trip from > the crypt when the conditions are right. Ivory Bow - does 1R _aggravated_ damage 8-) Vano Chu chuvano@stein.u.washington.edu (206) 543-1462

In article <33j2be$bmm@perv.hal.COM>, Tom Wylie <aahz@hal.COM> wrote: >Roberto Ullfig <ullfig@fnrobo.fnal.gov> wrote: >>1. If 2 vampires have contested weapons, do just the weapons >>get turned over? Is the blood paid by the vampires as in >>contested titles? What if an ally controls the weapon? Does >>it lose life points? > >Bleah. I suspect they would follow the same rules as contested titles, >i.e., the vampire equipped with the Razor (or whatever) would be >paying the blood. I am checking on that. I suppose it's too much to >hope for that all the unique equipment is only usable by vampires? ;) Why would you suspect this? From the rules I've got, it seems clear that all contested things except for titles are handled exactly the same way -- the way contested Vampires are. It makes sense if you think of it as the Methuselah owning the equipment and simply permitting the Minions to use it. This same mental model makes the "burn the equipment on it even when someone else gets the contested card" rule make sense, too. -- Doug DeJulio ddj@zardoz.elbows.org

Roberto Ullfig <ullfig@fnrobo.fnal.gov> wrote: >1. If 2 vampires have contested weapons, do just the weapons >get turned over? Is the blood paid by the vampires as in >contested titles? What if an ally controls the weapon? Does >it lose life points? Only what's in contention gets turned over, so it would just be the weapons, yes. The cost of contention is always paid from your pool unless what's being contested is a title, in which case the cost is paid from the vampire's blood. >2. Can a minion take equipment from a vampire in torpor by >just doing an equip action? No. >3. Can contested cards belonging to minions be taken by >other minions using equip actions? I doubt it. >4. Is it proper to say that a contested card is out of play? Contested vampires are, contestes titles more or less are, contested locations are not. I'm not sure exactly how contested weapons and retainers work. >5. What's the deal with that FAQ question about contested >location cards? I don't understand it at all! Any time a contested location card is burned (whether by Arson or Unnatural Disaster or what), all instances of that location are burned. While in contention, locations are unusable but still "in play". Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

ddj@zardoz.elbows.org (Doug DeJulio) writes: >In article <33h2bh$aqi@fnrobo.fnal.gov>, >Roberto Ullfig <ullfig@fnrobo.fnal.gov> wrote: >>1. If 2 vampires have contested weapons, do just the weapons >>get turned over? Is the blood paid by the vampires as in >>contested titles? What if an ally controls the weapon? Does >>it lose life points? >I've never seen a unique piece of equipment. Could you give an example? Aaron's Feeding Razor: Unique Equipment. Vampire gains 1 extra blood when hunting. -- | kreme@netcom.com \ 1015 South Gaylord, Denver, CO 80209 #100 | | PGP Fingerprint \ 1D 5E F7 C8 7E C2 F9 87 0F 86 C9 B0 D2 63 9C B2 | | [303/722-2009] Vox \ I haven't seen anything like that since the | | [303/777-2911] Data \ Pin~ata death duels on Nuevo Tiajuana!! |

Aaron's Feeding Razor Ivory Bow Rowan Ring Sengir Dagger Talbot's Chainsaw... I think that's all of the rare unique weapons. Doug DeJulio (ddj@zardoz.elbows.org) wrote: : In article <33h2bh$aqi@fnrobo.fnal.gov>, : Roberto Ullfig <ullfig@fnrobo.fnal.gov> wrote: : >1. If 2 vampires have contested weapons, do just the weapons : >get turned over? Is the blood paid by the vampires as in : >contested titles? What if an ally controls the weapon? Does : >it lose life points? : I've never seen a unique piece of equipment. Could you give an example? : -- : Doug DeJulio : ddj@zardoz.elbows.org -- -------------------- Sean Marshall designer@netcom.com --------------------