Library Milling Strategies Now Valid?

For those naysayers who said milling decks would never win games...: Brinksmanship Political Action Political Card - Worth 1 vote Called by any Vampire at +1 stealth If this referendum is successful, put this card in play. Any Methuselah who has exhausted his or her library and begins his or her untap phase with less than a full handmust attempt to withdraw. On that Methuselah's next untap phase, if the withdrawal fails, that Methuselah is ousted. If any Methuselah successfully withdraws, you are ousted. I see Egotha + Christianus, using Slaughterhouses, Feline Sabouteurs, and perhaps obf weenies for the all new Border Skirmishes... Your thoughts? Matthew Scrivner Anarch Baron of Tucson

never know, those raptor decks might do something now. simcof "Ped Xing" <ped_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:51ecf271.03052...@posting.google.com... [ quoted text not captured ]

> > Matthew Scrivner > Anarch Baron of Tucson So you're an Anarch Baron eh? Seems fitting I suppose. Come up with a date for Fee Stake: Tucson yet? Mike McDonald Tremere Archon Tucson Chantry

"Ben Szymkow" <sim...@iinet.net.au> escribió en el mensaje news:3ecac5e8$0$23...@echo-01.iinet.net.au... > never know, those raptor decks might do something now. Agreed. This strategy is far more probable, since a Nos princes deck can push the necessary votes to put Brinksmanship in play. That won't be the case for standard slaughterhouse decks. Well, you can combine a few Harbringers with a Ventrue Prince Deck oriented to mill. 6 Brinkmanship+Awes and 10 slaughterhouses, backed with enough fortitude... Smiling Tom [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] That Brinksmanship shouldn't have been made, preventing people from reviving the idea of decking people. God knows why anyone thinks it's fun to mill cards.

ped_...@hotmail.com (Ped Xing) wrote in message news:<51ecf271.03052...@posting.google.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] I need about 6 of them and then I'll be winning more tournements with my HoS's deck. Even the drawback isn't that bad. Although you may want some table damage in the deck too. Cameron

ped_...@hotmail.com (Ped Xing) wrote in message news:<51ecf271.03052...@posting.google.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] Basically, yes, I agree, that strategy is now looking a whole lot stronger. I can see a few downfalls to avoid: 1) Staying alive. too much milling in your deck, and you have no defence, so you get ousted after crippling your prey, and everyone hates you :( 2) Backstreaming from prey - milling is annoying. You get attacked a lot for doing it. Luckily, HoS are capable of defending like big scary defendey kinda guys. 3) Passing votes - sure, the HoS *can* do it (particularly if paired with the !ven), but other players will expect to see Brinkmanship in your deck, and might save their hosers / intercept up for it... Delaying Tactics, cross table players lending your predator use of their intercept locations, stuff like that. 4) Successful withdraws! Your prey might plot against you by hoarding redirections etc to allow a withdrawl, so you better have a sure way to cause pool loss / blood loss / combat in that turn. Society of Leopols / Anarch Revolt would fit the bill... tons of things would. I guess the point to this one is don't focus too hard on the milling, with bleed as your only other offence, or you might get thwarted at the last minute. --- As to the nuts-and-bolts of using this, personally, I would just include Brinking and milling as an angle, and not focus the whole deck there. I would instead play strategy X, with Slaughterhouse milling happening quietly in the background, to essentially have two offences going simultaneously. X for me would probably be a crossover with the !ven, and their +strength brutes, either vote-based, or something dirty with Society of Leopold and intercept.

"Tom,Mad&Co" <t...@almadrava.net> wrote in message news:<bael9o$afo$1...@nsnmrro2-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net>... > "Ben Szymkow" <sim...@iinet.net.au> escribió en el mensaje > news:3ecac5e8$0$23...@echo-01.iinet.net.au... > > never know, those raptor decks might do something now. > > Agreed. This strategy is far more probable, since a Nos princes deck can > push the necessary votes to put Brinksmanship in play. That won't be the > case for standard slaughterhouse decks. Well, you can combine a few > Harbringers with a Ventrue Prince Deck oriented to mill. 6 Brinkmanship+Awes > and 10 slaughterhouses, backed with enough fortitude... > Yo, what about HoS & !Ven, who have better discipline matching than regular Ven. Use Lazverinus and the HoS Priscus for a base of 6 votes, which is probably as many as a Nos prince deck would have. Then use other toys to trim hostile voters as needed: decapitate them with Lazverinus, or go softly with Demonstration, Quentin and so on. Hell, just the regular HoS with their Priscus + Private Audience + TVP can pass their own votes if they really care to. Well, sometimes.

icantbelievehollow...@hotmail.com (Hollowboy) wrote in message news:<614f2a39.03052...@posting.google.com>... > "Tom,Mad&Co" <t...@almadrava.net> wrote in message news:<bael9o$afo$1...@nsnmrro2-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net>... > > "Ben Szymkow" <sim...@iinet.net.au> escribió en el mensaje > > news:3ecac5e8$0$23...@echo-01.iinet.net.au... > > > never know, those raptor decks might do something now. > > > > Agreed. This strategy is far more probable, since a Nos princes deck can > > push the necessary votes to put Brinksmanship in play. That won't be the > > case for standard slaughterhouse decks. Well, you can combine a few > > Harbringers with a Ventrue Prince Deck oriented to mill. 6 Brinkmanship+Awes > > and 10 slaughterhouses, backed with enough fortitude... > > > Yo, what about HoS & !Ven, who have better discipline matching than > regular Ven. > > Use Lazverinus and the HoS Priscus for a base of 6 votes, which is > probably as many as a Nos prince deck would have. Then use other toys > to trim hostile voters as needed: decapitate them with Lazverinus, or > go softly with Demonstration, Quentin and so on. But a point in favor of the nossies is the new bestial - raptor combo. Combine with Cock robin for up to 2 raptors a turn. I don't really think it's a question of 'which is better' right now, though - let's see these babies out in play first! Tobias Deventer

"Tom,Mad&Co" <t...@almadrava.net> wrote in message news:<bael9o$afo$1...@nsnmrro2-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net>... > "Ben Szymkow" <sim...@iinet.net.au> escribió en el mensaje > news:3ecac5e8$0$23...@echo-01.iinet.net.au... > > never know, those raptor decks might do something now. > > Agreed. This strategy is far more probable, since a Nos princes deck can > push the necessary votes to put Brinksmanship in play. That won't be the > case for standard slaughterhouse decks. Well, you can combine a few > Harbringers with a Ventrue Prince Deck oriented to mill. 6 Brinkmanship+Awes > and 10 slaughterhouses, backed with enough fortitude... No, easiest option: Clan Impersonate to HoS with Nossie Princes. Feline Sabs too. OR If you can shake the votes, !Nossies with Couriers, Night Moves, Feline Sabs, and Clan Imps to HoS with Slaughterhouses. Not enough easy votes, sure, but more feasible than just HoS and !Ventrue. And Caliean has PRE, so one vote with an Awe should do it. Otherwise, it's Ahrimanes with Raptors (Muricias Call plus Hungry Coyote / Engling Fury and Falcon's Sight). One thing's for sure, Lupine Assault might actually be good for once! DH

> > > never know, those raptor decks might do something now. > > > > Agreed. This strategy is far more probable, since a Nos princes deck can > > push the necessary votes to put Brinksmanship in play. That won't be the > > case for standard slaughterhouse decks. Well, you can combine a few > > Harbringers with a Ventrue Prince Deck oriented to mill. 6 Brinkmanship+Awes > > and 10 slaughterhouses, backed with enough fortitude... > > > Yo, what about HoS & !Ven, who have better discipline matching than > regular Ven. > > Use Lazverinus and the HoS Priscus for a base of 6 votes, which is > probably as many as a Nos prince deck would have. Then use other toys > to trim hostile voters as needed: decapitate them with Lazverinus, or > go softly with Demonstration, Quentin and so on. Wrong statement: That will be 2 votes (archbishop) plus 3 conditional (priscus). Don't know your metagame, but around here Gratiano is a quite common vampire to see in play. And that deck hasn't got room enough to add a combat module for lazverinus IMHO. But you are right that !ventrue should prove more usefull. Kyle seems a good partner for HoS, and has that superior PRE needed to push the vote with Awe, plus demonstration, Tel. Vote Counting, kindred manipulation. > > Hell, just the regular HoS with their Priscus + Private Audience + TVP > can pass their own votes if they really care to. Well, sometimes. I won't risk to base the whole winning strategy of a deck upon such conditional possibility. After all, this will be a one-trick-pony deck.

> > > never know, those raptor decks might do something now. > > > > Agreed. This strategy is far more probable, since a Nos princes deck can > > push the necessary votes to put Brinksmanship in play. That won't be the > > case for standard slaughterhouse decks. Well, you can combine a few > > Harbringers with a Ventrue Prince Deck oriented to mill. 6 Brinkmanship+Awes > > and 10 slaughterhouses, backed with enough fortitude... > > No, easiest option: Clan Impersonate to HoS with Nossie Princes. > Feline Sabs too. Agreed. But pending a strategy on a CI... How many would you put in a deck in order to , say, play those 10 Slaughterhouses you will add? 10 feline saboteurs (without counting slots you will spend in CI) goes for 50 cards mill. If you are to put 16 FS, that goes for a total amount of 80, enough to get rid of a couple of decks. I'll try the raptors angle, Robin+Bestial and eye of Hazimel/archon will do the job quite easily. > > OR > > If you can shake the votes, !Nossies with Couriers, Night Moves, > Feline Sabs, and Clan Imps to HoS with Slaughterhouses. Not enough > easy votes, sure, but more feasible than just HoS and !Ventrue. In a 140 cards deck, yay, you could try all mill at once. In a 90 cards deck, that won't seem possible. In my experience with mill decks, it's much better to focus on 1 or 2 effects, rather than try all possibilities. Slaughterhouses are crippled by a single vampire: Arika, courier decks are a really nice option, and it ussually doesn't call the attention of the whole table as slaughterhouses do. And it has an easy acces to both feline saboteur and votes due to Cailean. > > And Caliean has PRE, so one vote with an Awe should do it. > > Otherwise, it's Ahrimanes with Raptors (Muricias Call plus Hungry > Coyote / Engling Fury and Falcon's Sight). With only one vamp with starting ANI that doesn't seem really consistent. > > One thing's for sure, Lupine Assault might actually be good for once! > > DH Sure Smiling Tom, the Anarch

tobiasop...@hotmail.com (Tobias) wrote in message news:<8aa6db00.03052...@posting.google.com>... <snip> > > But a point in favor of the nossies is the new bestial - raptor combo. > Combine with Cock robin for up to 2 raptors a turn. > > I don't really think it's a question of 'which is better' right now, > though - let's see these babies out in play first! > Err... When the bestial recruits a raptor it is at inferior ani.... And after he (it?) does it once it has to hunt.... Not a very good combo, IMO. Jeroen

> Err... > When the bestial recruits a raptor it is at inferior > ani.... And after > he (it?) does it once it has to hunt.... Not a very good combo, IMO. I suspect that the idea is to put a master: discipline card on it first... then use heidelberg to swap tha raptor for more blood. -- Direct access to this group with http://web2news.com http://web2news.com/?rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

dave...@hotmail.com (hamdamcwa) wrote in message news:<9e10847c.03052...@posting.google.com>... > "Tom,Mad&Co" <t...@almadrava.net> wrote in message news:<bael9o$afo$1...@nsnmrro2-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net>... > > "Ben Szymkow" <sim...@iinet.net.au> escribió en el mensaje > > news:3ecac5e8$0$23...@echo-01.iinet.net.au... > > > never know, those raptor decks might do something now. > > > > Agreed. This strategy is far more probable, since a Nos princes deck can > > push the necessary votes to put Brinksmanship in play. That won't be the > > case for standard slaughterhouse decks. Well, you can combine a few > > Harbringers with a Ventrue Prince Deck oriented to mill. 6 Brinkmanship+Awes > > and 10 slaughterhouses, backed with enough fortitude... > > No, easiest option: Clan Impersonate to HoS with Nossie Princes. > Feline Sabs too. So they lose their title? Unless you were thinking about trifling them back to Cam. > OR > > If you can shake the votes, !Nossies with Couriers, Night Moves, > Feline Sabs, and Clan Imps to HoS with Slaughterhouses. Not enough > easy votes, sure, but more feasible than just HoS and !Ventrue. Kendrick and Calean give you some power. > Otherwise, it's Ahrimanes with Raptors (Muricias Call plus Hungry > Coyote / Engling Fury and Falcon's Sight). Pass the vote with Awe and BO? > One thing's for sure, Lupine Assault might actually be good for once! Perhaps. I prefer many many copies of Border Skirmish. :) ~SV

[ quoted text not captured ] Nope, agaitas, and toreadors with votes... Anson, masika, etc... Anson will help cycle cards masters(play your prey's blood dolls or minion taps) Aura reading, Infernal pursuits (which kicks but with agaitas ability) Read Intentions as your strike card... (agaitas can use that...) It's all fun... =D [ quoted text not captured ]

> > Use Lazverinus and the HoS Priscus for a base of 6 votes, which is > > probably as many as a Nos prince deck would have. Then use other toys > > to trim hostile voters as needed: decapitate them with Lazverinus, or > > go softly with Demonstration, Quentin and so on. > > Wrong statement: That will be 2 votes (archbishop) plus 3 conditional > (priscus). Don't know your metagame, but around here Gratiano is a quite > common vampire to see in play. And that deck hasn't got room enough to add a > combat module for lazverinus IMHO. But you are right that !ventrue should > prove more usefull. Kyle seems a good partner for HoS, and has that superior > PRE needed to push the vote with Awe, plus demonstration, Tel. Vote > Counting, kindred manipulation. > Oh yeah, Laz is an ArchBishop, not a Cardinal. Me bad... however, 5 votes is still a decent starting point. Around here, only myself and one other player field the Lasombra, so Gratiano doesn't get out much. I don't see the basis for the 'not enough room' comment - maybe cos we are thinking along different lines. This is the deck that pops into my own messy head: Main vamps - Lazverinus, Gisela, and the new !Ven, Joseph O'Grady (7 cap, FOR DOM aus cel, has +1 strength and can burn a blood for a vote). Maybe the smaller HoS, for the !ven to Govern onto. Cool note - Joseph can get votes, but is not actually titled, so he is a nice potential Anarch :-) The mill-module could be just 10 cards: 5 slaugterhouse, 3 Brinks, and a couple of vote helpers (Demonstration, Powerbase Madrid). Just enough to make the critical votes pass, and enough milling so that your prey is the first to get decked. That would leave a *ton* of room for aus/for, fang-tearing action... > > > > Hell, just the regular HoS with their Priscus + Private Audience + TVP > > can pass their own votes if they really care to. Well, sometimes. > > I won't risk to base the whole winning strategy of a deck upon such > conditional possibility. After all, this will be a one-trick-pony deck. Again I disagree, but maybe just cos I am visualising the miller differently - IMO, the mill module can be pretty small, so I don't see why such a deck *must* be a 1-trick pony.

"hawk_the_demon" <hawkthedemon...@web2news.net> wrote in message news:<3233...@web2news.com>... > > Err... > > When the bestial recruits a raptor it is at inferior > > ani.... And after > > he (it?) does it once it has to hunt.... Not a very good combo, IMO. > > I suspect that the idea is to put a master: discipline card on it > first... then use heidelberg to swap tha raptor for more blood. That would work, yup. Tobias Deventer

vermil...@yahoo.com (vermillian) wrote in message news:<f987c6cd.03052...@posting.google.com>... > dave...@hotmail.com (hamdamcwa) wrote in message news:<9e10847c.03052...@posting.google.com>... > > "Tom,Mad&Co" <t...@almadrava.net> wrote in message news:<bael9o$afo$1...@nsnmrro2-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net>... > > > "Ben Szymkow" <sim...@iinet.net.au> escribió en el mensaje > > > news:3ecac5e8$0$23...@echo-01.iinet.net.au... > > > > never know, those raptor decks might do something now. > > > > > > Agreed. This strategy is far more probable, since a Nos princes deck can > > > push the necessary votes to put Brinksmanship in play. That won't be the > > > case for standard slaughterhouse decks. Well, you can combine a few > > > Harbringers with a Ventrue Prince Deck oriented to mill. 6 Brinkmanship+Awes > > > and 10 slaughterhouses, backed with enough fortitude... > > > > No, easiest option: Clan Impersonate to HoS with Nossie Princes. > > Feline Sabs too. > > So they lose their title? Unless you were thinking about trifling them back to Cam. No, you only need one active HoS to bring out Slaughterhouses. Nossie princes plus one or two "cheap" nossies. The Cheap nossie impersonates and out come the Slaughterhouses. Or, at a pinch, you CI, and then change back to get the votes. > > OR > > > > If you can shake the votes, !Nossies with Couriers, Night Moves, > > Feline Sabs, and Clan Imps to HoS with Slaughterhouses. Not enough > > easy votes, sure, but more feasible than just HoS and !Ventrue. > > Kendrick and Calean give you some power. > > > Otherwise, it's Ahrimanes with Raptors (Muricias Call plus Hungry > > Coyote / Engling Fury and Falcon's Sight). > > Pass the vote with Awe and BO? That's what I'm getting at. Although only one has ANI at the start, a Heidleburg would pass the love around, and Sanguine Instruction / ANI masters would toke them up. Or for +1 fun include Blaise, Feral Spirit and a shack load of Psyche! > > One thing's for sure, Lupine Assault might actually be good for once! > > Perhaps. I prefer many many copies of Border Skirmish. :) Yes, but that way you loose cards as well. Where's the fun in that? DH

"Tom,Mad&Co" <t...@almadrava.net> wrote in message news:<bafpfd$2rd$1...@nsnmrro2-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net>... > > > > never know, those raptor decks might do something now. > > > > > > Agreed. This strategy is far more probable, since a Nos princes deck can > > > push the necessary votes to put Brinksmanship in play. That won't be the > > > case for standard slaughterhouse decks. Well, you can combine a few > > > Harbringers with a Ventrue Prince Deck oriented to mill. 6 > Brinkmanship+Awes > > > and 10 slaughterhouses, backed with enough fortitude... > > > > No, easiest option: Clan Impersonate to HoS with Nossie Princes. > > Feline Sabs too. > > Agreed. But pending a strategy on a CI... How many would you put in a deck > in order to , say, play those 10 Slaughterhouses you will add? 5. You only need one active HoS. Or, you could cheat and add, say 3 and a Sargon Fragment or two - Burn the Slaughterhouses until you have a HoS, then fish them out. 10 feline > saboteurs (without counting slots you will spend in CI) goes for 50 cards > mill. If you are to put 16 FS, that goes for a total amount of 80, enough to > get rid of a couple of decks. The strategy is to get lots of Slaughterhouses up quickly (Parthenon, Rumours...) and use them to mill your prey's deck in, say best case, 7 turns. In that time you pass the vote. The Felines give you a boost, so maybe 10 FS. Lupine Assault gives you an extra 5 card mill boost. Best possible case: Turn one: Parthenon Bring out Krid Turn 2: Lupine Assualt Dimple Clan impesonates Total Mill: 5 cards Turn 3: 2x Slaughterhouses (mill 4 cards) Krid Hunts Bring out Ellison Humboldt Total Mill: 9 cards Turn 4: 2x Slaughterhouses (mill 8 cards) Ellison Humboldt calls the vote with BO, Awe and Voter cap. Cryptic Rider Krid calls rumours of Gehenna Total Mill: 17 cards Turn 5: 2x Slaughterhoueses (mill 12 cards) Minion Tap Feline Sab (mill 5 cards) Krid does something Influence another Prince Total Mill: 29 cards Turn 6: 3x Slaughterhouses (mill 18 cards) Feline Sab x2 (mill 10 cards) Krid does something Total Mill: 57 cards Turn 7: 1x Slaughterhouse (mill 20 cards) Minion Tap Something else Feline Sab x2 (mill 10 cards) Krid does something Total Mill: 87 cards Assuming your prey actually plays more than 3 cards in 7 turns, that's them on the ropes. However, this clearly doesn't count for the rest of the table, anything going wrong, worst card draw etc etc. It also takes 14 Masters in the right place, and only 11 other cards. Dicey at best. I'll try the raptors angle, Robin+Bestial and > eye of Hazimel/archon will do the job quite easily. That'll fly. Although I have yet to see the full Bestial text. I know he auto recruits animalism retainers, but not sure how. > > > > OR > > > > If you can shake the votes, !Nossies with Couriers, Night Moves, > > Feline Sabs, and Clan Imps to HoS with Slaughterhouses. Not enough > > easy votes, sure, but more feasible than just HoS and !Ventrue. > > In a 140 cards deck, yay, you could try all mill at once. In a 90 cards > deck, that won't seem possible. In my experience with mill decks, it's much > better to focus on 1 or 2 effects, rather than try all possibilities. Hypothetical first, practical later. :) > Slaughterhouses are crippled by a single vampire: Arika, courier decks are a > really nice option, and it ussually doesn't call the attention of the whole > table as slaughterhouses do. And it has an easy acces to both feline > saboteur and votes due to Cailean. Is there a "kill Arika" vote in the Anarchs set? Maybe in the Black Hand... ;) You can't scrap a whole deck on the basis of one vampire. I'd be more inclined to worry about the fact you'll be stealth bled out by turn 5 with most nossies... > > > > And Caliean has PRE, so one vote with an Awe should do it. > > > > Otherwise, it's Ahrimanes with Raptors (Muricias Call plus Hungry > > Coyote / Engling Fury and Falcon's Sight). > > With only one vamp with starting ANI that doesn't seem really consistent. I did a Meddling of Semsmith deck with Raptors and Ahrimanes that worked (just). To be honest, their low stealth was a bigger concern. ANI can be upgraded eaasily (Sanguine Instruction, Masters) or you can Feral Spirit the likes of Bear Paw. > > One thing's for sure, Lupine Assault might actually be good for once! > > > > DH > > Sure Is that Sarcasm? It should be! ;) DH

On 22 May 2003 02:46:50 -0700, dave...@hotmail.com (hamdamcwa) scrawled: >vermil...@yahoo.com (vermillian) wrote in message news:<f987c6cd.03052...@posting.google.com>... [snip] >> Perhaps. I prefer many many copies of Border Skirmish. :) > >Yes, but that way you loose cards as well. Where's the fun in that? erm....no you don't. only other methuselahs......? am i missing something here? salem domain:canberra http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/vtes.htm

salem wrote: > On 22 May 2003 02:46:50 -0700, dave...@hotmail.com (hamdamcwa) >>vermil...@yahoo.com (vermillian) wrote in message news:<f987c6cd.03052...@posting.google.com>... >>>Perhaps. I prefer many many copies of Border Skirmish. :) >>Yes, but that way you loose cards as well. Where's the fun in that? > > erm....no you don't. only other methuselahs......? > am i missing something here? He might be counting cards spent. For every BS you play (to your ash heap), you cause each given Methuselah to lose 1 card. You haven't gained ground. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"Kulaid" <kulaid.ne...@web2news.net> wrote in message news:<3245...@web2news.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] The old Anson master deck, but with Slaughterhouses replacing the Anarch Revolts, and adding a slight political angle? Tobias Deventer

> > > > "Ben Szymkow" <sim...@iinet.net.au> escribió en el mensaje > > > > news:3ecac5e8$0$23...@echo-01.iinet.net.au... > > > > > never know, those raptor decks might do something now. how about a deck with Alexandra, Ira Rivers (granted preferably with Sup Animalism), raptors, summoning/muricia, psyche, with extra seasonings to taste..

salem <salem_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<2tapcv4rerqus3cm3...@4ax.com>... > On 22 May 2003 02:46:50 -0700, dave...@hotmail.com (hamdamcwa) > scrawled: > > >vermil...@yahoo.com (vermillian) wrote in message news:<f987c6cd.03052...@posting.google.com>... > [snip] > >> Perhaps. I prefer many many copies of Border Skirmish. :) > > > >Yes, but that way you loose cards as well. Where's the fun in that? > > erm....no you don't. only other methuselahs......? > am i missing something here? You play one card, everyone else looses one card. So basically, you waste all your card slots forcing people to discard. 90 cards played by you = 90 cards lost by everyone else. How do you expect to: 1) Force a vote through with a pile of untitled Anarchs (don't say "Fee Stake" or "Presence Mods" coz you don't have the card slots). 2) Get rid of everyone's pool and (more importantly) stop other methusulas being ousted in the 80+ actions you'll need to generate to mill the table (don't say Life Boon,you don't have the card slots) 3) Stop yourself being ousted in the 80+ actions it will take to mill the table (don't say bleed bounce or intercept, you don't have the card slots - and no slots for combat if you get hold of people) 4) Stop everyone else from laughing themselves silly as you attempt to take 80+ actions to mill the table. Answers on a postcard :) Border Skirmish is something to irritate people, but not a game winner per se. Maybe (just maybe) if you had either Pochtli or Waste Management Ops you could stack up and devote, say, 40 card slots to Border Skirmishes, but hey! There's still that irritating "vote" problem... DH

On 22 May 2003 07:15:22 -0700, dave...@hotmail.com (hamdamcwa) scrawled: >salem <salem_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<2tapcv4rerqus3cm3...@4ax.com>... >> On 22 May 2003 02:46:50 -0700, dave...@hotmail.com (hamdamcwa) >> scrawled: >> >> >vermil...@yahoo.com (vermillian) wrote in message news:<f987c6cd.03052...@posting.google.com>... >> [snip] >> >> Perhaps. I prefer many many copies of Border Skirmish. :) >> > >> >Yes, but that way you loose cards as well. Where's the fun in that? >> >> erm....no you don't. only other methuselahs......? >> am i missing something here? > >You play one card, everyone else looses one card. So basically, you >waste all your card slots forcing people to discard. 90 cards played >by you = 90 cards lost by everyone else. where cards lost by everyone else =90 * # of players. >How do you expect to: > >1) Force a vote through with a pile of untitled Anarchs (don't say >"Fee Stake" or "Presence Mods" coz you don't have the card slots). maybe i don't use 90 Border Skirmish. Maybe I count on other people, say...ohh...i don't know....playing some of their own cards? >2) Get rid of everyone's pool and (more importantly) stop other >methusulas being ousted in the 80+ actions you'll need to generate to >mill the table (don't say Life Boon,you don't have the card slots) hang on.....why am i defending this? i never said it was a good idea... i just said border skirmish doesn't make you discard a card. i think i'll bail right about now before i get myself in too deep. :) >3) Stop yourself being ousted in the 80+ actions it will take to mill >the table (don't say bleed bounce or intercept, you don't have the >card slots - and no slots for combat if you get hold of people) > >4) Stop everyone else from laughing themselves silly as you attempt to >take 80+ actions to mill the table. Gaffa tape? > >Answers on a postcard > >:) Hi from Australia!, Having a great time, wish you were here. It's a bit cold, but then anyone that knows the southern hemisphere is just about in winter would expect that. The people are great, but they speak funny. It's closer to English English than American English, but still a bit wrong. Food's ok, although not really much in the way of "Australian" cuisine. Water is very clean and drinkable here in Canberra. Anarchs expansion was released here a few hours before a lot of the rest of the world, so I am glad I made the trip. New cards are great. Must dash, got to catch my connecting flight, salem. >Border Skirmish is something to irritate people, but not a game winner >per se. Maybe (just maybe) if you had either Pochtli or Waste >Management Ops you could stack up and devote, say, 40 card slots to >Border Skirmishes, but hey! There's still that irritating "vote" >problem... I briefly worked on a Meddling of Semsith and Jan Pieterzoon the Anarch (won't Hardestadt be dissapointed), with their good friend High Priest Angra Mainou. Luckily they're finding this year to be a Year of Fortune. But I built it all wrong to make up for the fact that I had only 2 Jan and 1 Angra spare. :P It was a piece of poo. Even if it did tie for a win with a 2/2/1 five-player game last night. I think the temporis cloggin my hand and the true brujah not coming up hurt, as did getting a salubri and no obeah. I told you i built it all wrong. :) [ quoted text not captured ]

salem wrote: > hamdnweonwa wrote: > > vermillion wrote: > >> Perhaps. I prefer many many copies of Border Skirmish. :) > > > >Yes, but that way you loose cards as well. Where's the fun in that? > > erm....no you don't. only other methuselahs......? > am i missing something here? You play Border Skirmish from your hand = You lose one card When Border Skirmish resolves, everyone else loses a card. You all lose a card. :) - Ben Peal, Prince of Boston fu...@mindstorm.com

"Curevei" <cur...@aol.commetal> wrote in message news:20030520214926...@mb-m17.aol.com... [someone else wrote] > >Your thoughts? > > That Brinksmanship shouldn't have been made, preventing people from reviving > the idea of decking people. God knows why anyone thinks it's fun to mill > cards. Too true. Josh obviously people don't mind not being able to play cards in their card games...