How do you vote? Lets take the example of Ancient Influence:
Ancient Influence, Action, Political Action
+1 Stealth All Kindred
POLITICAL CARD
WORTH 1 VOTE
[card text]
Lets disect this
The +1 stealth I understand, but what does that All Kindred thing mean? Why
does it have to say political card? Worth 1 Vote? HELP!
Please, someone explain the voting process step by step.
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How do you vote? Lets take the example of Ancient Influence:
Ancient Influence, Action, Political Action
+1 Stealth All Kindred
POLITICAL CARD
WORTH 1 VOTE
[card text]
Lets disect this
The +1 stealth I understand, but what does that All Kindred thing mean? Why
does it have to say political card? Worth 1 Vote? HELP!
Please, someone explain the voting process step by step.
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Robert J. Shmit (cully@ritz.mordor.com) wrote:
: How do you vote? Lets take the example of Ancient Influence:: Ancient Influence, Action, Political Action
: +1 Stealth All Kindred
: POLITICAL CARD
: WORTH 1 VOTE
: [card text]
Ancient Influence: Name of the Vote (must be given when you call for a vote
so the others know what will hit them if they don't intercept)
Action, Political Action: Why 2x Action? I don't know, but it means that
this card is an action card for a political action (you can't get more
obvious, can you?)
+1 Stealth: The Vampire playing this vote does so at +1 Stealth,
so: You announce you gonna make a political Action with Vampire X.
The Action is bringing up the Vote "Ancient Influence"
The Action is at +1 Stealth.
If anyone wants to stop your Vampire from bringing up this vote he needs
Intercept +1 or more.
If not interceptet, the vote takes place.
All Kindred: Any Vampire can be used to bring up the vote. There are some
cards restricted e.g. to Prince or Justicar - these can obviously only be
brought up by a prince or a justicar.
Political Card worth one Vote: When the vote is not intercepted any
Prince/Primogen/Justicar can Vote (see rules: Prim: 1 Vote, Prince: 2
Votes, Justicar: 3 Votes). You can also use the edge for one vote (give it
back) plus any action modifiers/reaction cards (depending on who played the
vote only action modifiers (if you played it) or reactions (if another one
played it). OR you can throw in any POLITICAL CARDS (like this one) for the
value in votes (here: 1 vote - has anybody seen one with more votes?),
ignoring what kind of vote it is.
Then the votes are counted and the effect takes place (in case the vote was
accepted) or the vote failed and the card is discarded.
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Robert J. Shmit (cully@ritz.mordor.com) wrote:
: How do you vote? Lets take the example of Ancient Influence:: Ancient Influence, Action, Political Action
: +1 Stealth All Kindred
: POLITICAL CARD
: WORTH 1 VOTE
: [card text]
Ancient Influence: Name of the Vote (must be given when you call for a vote
so the others know what will hit them if they don't intercept)
Action, Political Action: Why 2x Action? I don't know, but it means that
this card is an action card for a political action (you can't get more
obvious, can you?)
+1 Stealth: The Vampire playing this vote does so at +1 Stealth,
so: You announce you gonna make a political Action with Vampire X.
The Action is bringing up the Vote "Ancient Influence"
The Action is at +1 Stealth.
If anyone wants to stop your Vampire from bringing up this vote he needs
Intercept +1 or more.
If not interceptet, the vote takes place.
All Kindred: Any Vampire can be used to bring up the vote. There are some
cards restricted e.g. to Prince or Justicar - these can obviously only be
brought up by a prince or a justicar.
Political Card worth one Vote: When the vote is not intercepted any
Prince/Primogen/Justicar can Vote (see rules: Prim: 1 Vote, Prince: 2
Votes, Justicar: 3 Votes). You can also use the edge for one vote (give it
back) plus any action modifiers/reaction cards (depending on who played the
vote only action modifiers (if you played it) or reactions (if another one
played it). OR you can throw in any POLITICAL CARDS (like this one) for the
value in votes (here: 1 vote - has anybody seen one with more votes?),
ignoring what kind of vote it is.
Then the votes are counted and the effect takes place (in case the vote was
accepted) or the vote failed and the card is discarded.
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Robert J. Shmit <cully@ritz.mordor.com> wrote:
>Ancient Influence, Action, Political Action
>+1 Stealth All Kindred
>POLITICAL CARD
>WORTH 1 VOTE
>[card text]
>
>Lets disect this
>
>The +1 stealth I understand, but what does that All Kindred thing mean? Why
>does it have to say political card? Worth 1 Vote? HELP!
The "All Kindred" means the vote can only be called by a vampire, i.e.,
you can't tap an ally to call a vote. Some political cards say "Prince or
Justicar", so can only be called by an appropriately titled vampire. A few
of them even have clan symbols (mostly the <clan> Justicar votes), and can
only be called by vampires of that clan.
It says "Political Card, worth 1 vote" because during any vote, players
can burn political cards in their hand for 1 vote. For example, if a vote
you called is deadlocked in a tie, you could burn a policard for a vote
in your favor. Another player could then burn a policard for a vote against
you, and so on.
>Please, someone explain the voting process step by step.
1. An appropriate vampire taps to call for the vote. All people know at
this point is which card is being played, not the terms of the vote,
i.e. they won't know which clan will be tapped by Consanguineous
Condemnation. Note that you do replace the card used to call the
vote in the first place, since it's being used as an action card.
2. If the action is intercepted, then the action ends and combat ensues.
3. Otherwise, the terms of the vote are set (e.g., the clan for CC
is selected) and the vote beings.
4. People cast votes (or abstain) until everyone is done. Assume that if
15 seconds pass without no one doing anything (casting a vote, or
trying to convince someone to vote in their favor), then no more
votes will be contributed. A verbal countdown helps here. Players
get votes as per section 17.1; note that people don't get a "free"
vote, except for the person calling the vote, who gets 1 vote by
virtue of playing a political action card.
5. If the vote passes, deal with its effects.
Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for
aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.
Robert J. Shmit <cully@ritz.mordor.com> wrote:
>Ancient Influence, Action, Political Action
>+1 Stealth All Kindred
>POLITICAL CARD
>WORTH 1 VOTE
>[card text]
>
>Lets disect this
>
>The +1 stealth I understand, but what does that All Kindred thing mean? Why
>does it have to say political card? Worth 1 Vote? HELP!
The "All Kindred" means the vote can only be called by a vampire, i.e.,
you can't tap an ally to call a vote. Some political cards say "Prince or
Justicar", so can only be called by an appropriately titled vampire. A few
of them even have clan symbols (mostly the <clan> Justicar votes), and can
only be called by vampires of that clan.
It says "Political Card, worth 1 vote" because during any vote, players
can burn political cards in their hand for 1 vote. For example, if a vote
you called is deadlocked in a tie, you could burn a policard for a vote
in your favor. Another player could then burn a policard for a vote against
you, and so on.
>Please, someone explain the voting process step by step.
1. An appropriate vampire taps to call for the vote. All people know at
this point is which card is being played, not the terms of the vote,
i.e. they won't know which clan will be tapped by Consanguineous
Condemnation. Note that you do replace the card used to call the
vote in the first place, since it's being used as an action card.
2. If the action is intercepted, then the action ends and combat ensues.
3. Otherwise, the terms of the vote are set (e.g., the clan for CC
is selected) and the vote beings.
4. People cast votes (or abstain) until everyone is done. Assume that if
15 seconds pass without no one doing anything (casting a vote, or
trying to convince someone to vote in their favor), then no more
votes will be contributed. A verbal countdown helps here. Players
get votes as per section 17.1; note that people don't get a "free"
vote, except for the person calling the vote, who gets 1 vote by
virtue of playing a political action card.
5. If the vote passes, deal with its effects.
Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for
aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.
When a political card says "worth one vote" does that include the
when it is the card you are voting on? That is, does the person calling
the vote automatically get one vote from the card?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"Senator Kennedy, What are you going to do about the abortion bill?"
"Pay it, I guess."
J. Corley
jcorley@netcom.com
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When a political card says "worth one vote" does that include the
when it is the card you are voting on? That is, does the person calling
the vote automatically get one vote from the card?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"Senator Kennedy, What are you going to do about the abortion bill?"
"Pay it, I guess."
J. Corley
jcorley@netcom.com
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In article <CvsIII.Bp4@ritz.mordor.com> cully@ritz.mordor.com (Robert J. Shmit) writes:
> Ancient Influence
> +1 Stealth All Kindred
> POLITICAL CARD
> WORTH 1 VOTE
> The +1 stealth I understand, but what does that All Kindred thing mean? Why
> does it have to say political card? Worth 1 Vote? HELP!
>
> Please, someone explain the voting process step by step.
Gladly. I have a fictional vampire, "Omar". He has no stealth mods.
I decide to declare the Vote you outlined above.
(1) I Tap Omar, playing the Political Action card. As stated, this
action is now at +1 stealth. The "All Kindred" qualifier means
that only Vampires can call this vote; a non-vampire ally can't.
If it said "Prince or Justicar only" only a Prince or Justicar could call
it.
(2) The minions of my Prey or Predator may attempt to block this, as per
any other action. They'll need at least +1 intercept, of course.
If intercept occurs, the card is discarded and combat occurs, as normal.
(3) No-one manages to block Omar, so the vote is now voted upon.
(4) Omar gets one vote for the card. Any Primogen not in torpor or
contested get 1 vote. Any Princes get 2, Justicars 3. Any Methuselah
may play a card with the text "Political Card: Worth 1 vote" to gain 1
vote. The cards played thisd way have no other effect than votes.
(5) Once everyone has voted, if there's more votes for than against, the vote
passes and the card's effect occurs. If there's more against, or the
vote is tied, the vote fails and the effect does not occur.
(6) Omar's action is finished.
Any more problems?
Sasquatch
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In article <CvsIII.Bp4@ritz.mordor.com> cully@ritz.mordor.com (Robert J. Shmit) writes:
> Ancient Influence
> +1 Stealth All Kindred
> POLITICAL CARD
> WORTH 1 VOTE
> The +1 stealth I understand, but what does that All Kindred thing mean? Why
> does it have to say political card? Worth 1 Vote? HELP!
>
> Please, someone explain the voting process step by step.
Gladly. I have a fictional vampire, "Omar". He has no stealth mods.
I decide to declare the Vote you outlined above.
(1) I Tap Omar, playing the Political Action card. As stated, this
action is now at +1 stealth. The "All Kindred" qualifier means
that only Vampires can call this vote; a non-vampire ally can't.
If it said "Prince or Justicar only" only a Prince or Justicar could call
it.
(2) The minions of my Prey or Predator may attempt to block this, as per
any other action. They'll need at least +1 intercept, of course.
If intercept occurs, the card is discarded and combat occurs, as normal.
(3) No-one manages to block Omar, so the vote is now voted upon.
(4) Omar gets one vote for the card. Any Primogen not in torpor or
contested get 1 vote. Any Princes get 2, Justicars 3. Any Methuselah
may play a card with the text "Political Card: Worth 1 vote" to gain 1
vote. The cards played thisd way have no other effect than votes.
(5) Once everyone has voted, if there's more votes for than against, the vote
passes and the card's effect occurs. If there's more against, or the
vote is tied, the vote fails and the effect does not occur.
(6) Omar's action is finished.
Any more problems?
Sasquatch
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widmer@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (widmer christian) writes:
>Robert J. Shmit (cully@ritz.mordor.com) wrote:
>: How do you vote? Lets take the example of Ancient Influence:>: Ancient Influence, Action, Political Action
>: +1 Stealth All Kindred
>: POLITICAL CARD
>: WORTH 1 VOTE
>: [card text]>Ancient Influence: Name of the Vote (must be given when you call for a vote
>so the others know what will hit them if they don't intercept)
EXCUSE ME? Where is THIS in the rules?
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widmer@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (widmer christian) writes:
>Robert J. Shmit (cully@ritz.mordor.com) wrote:
>: How do you vote? Lets take the example of Ancient Influence:>: Ancient Influence, Action, Political Action
>: +1 Stealth All Kindred
>: POLITICAL CARD
>: WORTH 1 VOTE
>: [card text]>Ancient Influence: Name of the Vote (must be given when you call for a vote
>so the others know what will hit them if they don't intercept)
EXCUSE ME? Where is THIS in the rules?
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Cerebus The Aardvark <kreme@netcom.com> wrote:
>>Ancient Influence: Name of the Vote (must be given when you call for a vote
>>so the others know what will hit them if they don't intercept)>EXCUSE ME? Where is THIS in the rules?
You always have to let people know what action you are taking before
they decide whether or not to block it. Simply saying "I'm taking a
political action" doesn't cut it; you have to let people know which
political action you are taking, namely, Ancient Influence. The rules
just say that if the vote has any terms, then those aren't revealed
unless the action is unblocked... Not that you don't have to let
them see which action card is being used.
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Cerebus The Aardvark <kreme@netcom.com> wrote:
>>Ancient Influence: Name of the Vote (must be given when you call for a vote
>>so the others know what will hit them if they don't intercept)>EXCUSE ME? Where is THIS in the rules?
You always have to let people know what action you are taking before
they decide whether or not to block it. Simply saying "I'm taking a
political action" doesn't cut it; you have to let people know which
political action you are taking, namely, Ancient Influence. The rules
just say that if the vote has any terms, then those aren't revealed
unless the action is unblocked... Not that you don't have to let
them see which action card is being used.
Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for
aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.
J Corley <jcorley@netcom.com> wrote:
> When a political card says "worth one vote" does that include the
>when it is the card you are voting on? That is, does the person calling
>the vote automatically get one vote from the card?
Yes, if you call a vote by virtue of a political action card (as opposed
to, say, a bloodhunt vote or a vote to burn Anarch Revolt), then the
action card you used gives you one vote.
Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for
aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.
J Corley <jcorley@netcom.com> wrote:
> When a political card says "worth one vote" does that include the
>when it is the card you are voting on? That is, does the person calling
>the vote automatically get one vote from the card?
Yes, if you call a vote by virtue of a political action card (as opposed
to, say, a bloodhunt vote or a vote to burn Anarch Revolt), then the
action card you used gives you one vote.
Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for
aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.
aahz@hal.COM (Tom Wylie) writes:
> For example, if a vote you called is deadlocked in a tie,
Isn't a tied vote just a failed vote? I don't think "deadlock" is the
right term for this.
Brian
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aahz@hal.COM (Tom Wylie) writes:
> For example, if a vote you called is deadlocked in a tie,
Isn't a tied vote just a failed vote? I don't think "deadlock" is the
right term for this.
Brian
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In article <BIGFOOT.94Sep9093437@akeake.kauri.vuw.ac.nz>, bigfoot@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Campbell March) writes:
>(1) I Tap Omar, playing the Political Action card. As stated, this
> action is now at +1 stealth. The "All Kindred" qualifier means
> that only Vampires can call this vote; a non-vampire ally can't.
> If it said "Prince or Justicar only" only a Prince or Justicar could call
> it.
>(2) The minions of my Prey or Predator may attempt to block this, as per
> any other action. They'll need at least +1 intercept, of course.
> If intercept occurs, the card is discarded and combat occurs, as normal.
>(3) No-one manages to block Omar, so the vote is now voted upon.
>(4) Omar gets one vote for the card. Any Primogen not in torpor or
> contested get 1 vote. Any Princes get 2, Justicars 3. Any Methuselah
> may play a card with the text "Political Card: Worth 1 vote" to gain 1
> vote. The cards played thisd way have no other effect than votes.
>(5) Once everyone has voted, if there's more votes for than against, the vote
> passes and the card's effect occurs. If there's more against, or the
> vote is tied, the vote fails and the effect does not occur.
>(6) Omar's action is finished.
>
>Any more problems?
Do Primogens, Princes or Justicars tap to vote? It seems from the discussion
that they wouldn't, but I've seen a card (can't recall the name) which is
played on a political action, which taps all of the abovementioned votegetters.
Now, there doesn't seem to be much point in this as they could still vote,
unless they have to tap to do so. Is it just meant to be an annoyance to
political players, or is it supposed to actually reduce their voting capability?
Yours vampirically;
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In article <BIGFOOT.94Sep9093437@akeake.kauri.vuw.ac.nz>, bigfoot@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Campbell March) writes:
>(1) I Tap Omar, playing the Political Action card. As stated, this
> action is now at +1 stealth. The "All Kindred" qualifier means
> that only Vampires can call this vote; a non-vampire ally can't.
> If it said "Prince or Justicar only" only a Prince or Justicar could call
> it.
>(2) The minions of my Prey or Predator may attempt to block this, as per
> any other action. They'll need at least +1 intercept, of course.
> If intercept occurs, the card is discarded and combat occurs, as normal.
>(3) No-one manages to block Omar, so the vote is now voted upon.
>(4) Omar gets one vote for the card. Any Primogen not in torpor or
> contested get 1 vote. Any Princes get 2, Justicars 3. Any Methuselah
> may play a card with the text "Political Card: Worth 1 vote" to gain 1
> vote. The cards played thisd way have no other effect than votes.
>(5) Once everyone has voted, if there's more votes for than against, the vote
> passes and the card's effect occurs. If there's more against, or the
> vote is tied, the vote fails and the effect does not occur.
>(6) Omar's action is finished.
>
>Any more problems?
Do Primogens, Princes or Justicars tap to vote? It seems from the discussion
that they wouldn't, but I've seen a card (can't recall the name) which is
played on a political action, which taps all of the abovementioned votegetters.
Now, there doesn't seem to be much point in this as they could still vote,
unless they have to tap to do so. Is it just meant to be an annoyance to
political players, or is it supposed to actually reduce their voting capability?
Yours vampirically;
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Brian Scearce <bls@Eng.Sun.COM> wrote:
>> For example, if a vote you called is deadlocked in a tie,>Isn't a tied vote just a failed vote? I don't think "deadlock" is the
>right term for this.
When I was talking about a vote being deadlocked in a tie, I was talking
about an ongoing vote which people could still add votes to, where the
"yes" votes equalled the "no" votes, and everyone was debating whether
they really wanted to throw in another vote to break the tie. If the voting
period ends, and the "yes" votes tie the "no" votes, then the vote
fails, yes.
Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for
aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.
Brian Scearce <bls@Eng.Sun.COM> wrote:
>> For example, if a vote you called is deadlocked in a tie,>Isn't a tied vote just a failed vote? I don't think "deadlock" is the
>right term for this.
When I was talking about a vote being deadlocked in a tie, I was talking
about an ongoing vote which people could still add votes to, where the
"yes" votes equalled the "no" votes, and everyone was debating whether
they really wanted to throw in another vote to break the tie. If the voting
period ends, and the "yes" votes tie the "no" votes, then the vote
fails, yes.
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aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.
bigfoot@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Campbell March) writes:
>In article <1994Sep12.005832.185@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au> cjudd@lawson.its.utas.edu.au (Craig Thomas Judd) writes:>Correct; Primogen/Princes/Justicars do not tap to vote, and indeed can
I agree....
>vote while tapped. My guess is that the card you're talking about is
Are you sure that the titled Vampires can vote while tapped? Reading the
rulebook says that you get "1 vote for each ready Primogen, 2 votes for each
ready Prince, 3 votes for each ready Justicar", where the important word in
there is _ready_. A tapped vampire is not ready.
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bigfoot@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Campbell March) writes:
>In article <1994Sep12.005832.185@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au> cjudd@lawson.its.utas.edu.au (Craig Thomas Judd) writes:>Correct; Primogen/Princes/Justicars do not tap to vote, and indeed can
I agree....
>vote while tapped. My guess is that the card you're talking about is
Are you sure that the titled Vampires can vote while tapped? Reading the
rulebook says that you get "1 vote for each ready Primogen, 2 votes for each
ready Prince, 3 votes for each ready Justicar", where the important word in
there is _ready_. A tapped vampire is not ready.
--
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In article <1994Sep12.005832.185@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au> cjudd@lawson.its.utas.edu.au (Craig Thomas Judd) writes:
> Do Primogens, Princes or Justicars tap to vote? It seems from the discussion
> that they wouldn't, but I've seen a card (can't recall the name) which is
> played on a political action, which taps all of the abovementioned
> votegetters. Now, there doesn't seem to be much point in this as
> they could still vote, unless they have to tap to do so. Is it just
> meant to be an annoyance to political players, or is it supposed to
> actually reduce their voting capability?
Correct; Primogen/Princes/Justicars do not tap to vote, and indeed can
vote while tapped. My guess is that the card you're talking about is
designed to reduce someone's defences; ie "I call this vote" "I vote
with my 3 Primogen and 1 prince" "All vampires that participated in
this vote are tapped" "uh oh...I have no defence against your bleed"
Sasquatch
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In article <1994Sep12.005832.185@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au> cjudd@lawson.its.utas.edu.au (Craig Thomas Judd) writes:
> Do Primogens, Princes or Justicars tap to vote? It seems from the discussion
> that they wouldn't, but I've seen a card (can't recall the name) which is
> played on a political action, which taps all of the abovementioned
> votegetters. Now, there doesn't seem to be much point in this as
> they could still vote, unless they have to tap to do so. Is it just
> meant to be an annoyance to political players, or is it supposed to
> actually reduce their voting capability?
Correct; Primogen/Princes/Justicars do not tap to vote, and indeed can
vote while tapped. My guess is that the card you're talking about is
designed to reduce someone's defences; ie "I call this vote" "I vote
with my 3 Primogen and 1 prince" "All vampires that participated in
this vote are tapped" "uh oh...I have no defence against your bleed"
Sasquatch
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akostur@helix.net (Andre Kostur) writes:
> bigfoot@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Campbell March) writes:
> >vote while tapped. My guess is that the card you're talking about is
> Are you sure that the titled Vampires can vote while tapped? Reading the
> rulebook says that you get "1 vote for each ready Primogen, 2 votes for each
> ready Prince, 3 votes for each ready Justicar", where the important word in
> there is _ready_. A tapped vampire is not ready.
A ready minion is one that you control that is not in the crypt, in
torpor, or being contested. It doesn't matter whether it's tapped or not.
- AkR
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akostur@helix.net (Andre Kostur) writes:
> bigfoot@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Campbell March) writes:
> >vote while tapped. My guess is that the card you're talking about is
> Are you sure that the titled Vampires can vote while tapped? Reading the
> rulebook says that you get "1 vote for each ready Primogen, 2 votes for each
> ready Prince, 3 votes for each ready Justicar", where the important word in
> there is _ready_. A tapped vampire is not ready.
A ready minion is one that you control that is not in the crypt, in
torpor, or being contested. It doesn't matter whether it's tapped or not.
- AkR
- ar2w@andrew.cmu.edu
akostur@helix.net (Andre Kostur) writes:
>bigfoot@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Campbell March) writes:>>In article <1994Sep12.005832.185@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au> cjudd@lawson.its.utas.edu.au (Craig Thomas Judd) writes:>>Correct; Primogen/Princes/Justicars do not tap to vote, and indeed can>I agree....>>vote while tapped. My guess is that the card you're talking about is>Are you sure that the titled Vampires can vote while tapped? Reading the
>rulebook says that you get "1 vote for each ready Primogen, 2 votes for each
>ready Prince, 3 votes for each ready Justicar", where the important word in
>there is _ready_. A tapped vampire is not ready.
After being corrected in e-mail.... tapped vampires _can_ vote. On page 17 of
the rulebook, it defines a ready vampire as "A minion in the action region..."
So... I am wrong (yet again).
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akostur@helix.net (Andre Kostur) writes:
>bigfoot@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Campbell March) writes:>>In article <1994Sep12.005832.185@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au> cjudd@lawson.its.utas.edu.au (Craig Thomas Judd) writes:>>Correct; Primogen/Princes/Justicars do not tap to vote, and indeed can>I agree....>>vote while tapped. My guess is that the card you're talking about is>Are you sure that the titled Vampires can vote while tapped? Reading the
>rulebook says that you get "1 vote for each ready Primogen, 2 votes for each
>ready Prince, 3 votes for each ready Justicar", where the important word in
>there is _ready_. A tapped vampire is not ready.
After being corrected in e-mail.... tapped vampires _can_ vote. On page 17 of
the rulebook, it defines a ready vampire as "A minion in the action region..."
So... I am wrong (yet again).
--
Andre Kostur
akostur@helix.net
akostur@helix.net (Andre Kostur) writes:
>ready Prince, 3 votes for each ready Justicar", where the important word in
>there is _ready_. A tapped vampire is not ready.
A Vampire not in _Torpor_ is ready... So tapped doesn't matter...
>Andre Kostur
Veltyen
akostur@helix.net (Andre Kostur) writes:
>ready Prince, 3 votes for each ready Justicar", where the important word in
>there is _ready_. A tapped vampire is not ready.
A Vampire not in _Torpor_ is ready... So tapped doesn't matter...
>Andre Kostur
Veltyen
akostur@helix.net (Andre Kostur) writes:
>bigfoot@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Campbell March) writes:>>In article <1994Sep12.005832.185@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au> cjudd@lawson.its.utas.edu.au (Craig Thomas Judd) writes:>>Correct; Primogen/Princes/Justicars do not tap to vote, and indeed can>I agree....>>vote while tapped. My guess is that the card you're talking about is>Are you sure that the titled Vampires can vote while tapped? Reading the
>rulebook says that you get "1 vote for each ready Primogen, 2 votes for each
>ready Prince, 3 votes for each ready Justicar", where the important word in
>there is _ready_. A tapped vampire is not ready.
Wrong. A tapped Vampire is still in your ready area, therefore still
ready. This is actually one of the questions in the FAQ, which, unlike the
rules, is available for FTP.
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akostur@helix.net (Andre Kostur) writes:
>bigfoot@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Campbell March) writes:>>In article <1994Sep12.005832.185@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au> cjudd@lawson.its.utas.edu.au (Craig Thomas Judd) writes:>>Correct; Primogen/Princes/Justicars do not tap to vote, and indeed can>I agree....>>vote while tapped. My guess is that the card you're talking about is>Are you sure that the titled Vampires can vote while tapped? Reading the
>rulebook says that you get "1 vote for each ready Primogen, 2 votes for each
>ready Prince, 3 votes for each ready Justicar", where the important word in
>there is _ready_. A tapped vampire is not ready.
Wrong. A tapped Vampire is still in your ready area, therefore still
ready. This is actually one of the questions in the FAQ, which, unlike the
rules, is available for FTP.
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