Clans vs Sects

Can someone(lsj) maybe post me a list of the clans that are tied to sects? There was a post that stated that when my camarilla guys clan impersonate they also pick up the sect, if that clan is generally in that sect(if that's not right skip the rest, stop here) So I just wanted to know if my malkavian prince clan impersonated lasombra would he have to be sabbat(most of them are) or could he be a camarilla/lasombra(one is) And also clans Gangrel and Assamite. Gangrel are independents, and Assamites are Camarilla(if I have heard from the RPG correctly) So...well forget it, just a list would be cool. Aaron

In message <X_h47.51886$Ro2.6...@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net>, The Nosferatu Stuff <roans...@yahoo.com> writes >Can someone(lsj) maybe post me a list of the clans that are tied to sects? The following are tied to Camarilla: Brujah, Gangrel, Malkavian, Nosferatu, Toreador, Tremere, Ventrue Additionally, Caitiff are tied to the Camarilla, but are not a clan. The following are tied to the Sabbat: !Brujah, !Gangrel, Lasombra, !Malkavian, !Nosferatu, Pander, !Toreador, !Tremere, Tzimisce, !Venture The following are tied to being Independent: Assamite, Followers of Set, Giovanni, Ravnos. >There was a post that stated that when my camarilla guys clan impersonate >they also pick up the sect, if that clan is generally in that sect(if that's >not right skip the rest, stop here) They do, unless they have another sect changing influence on them. (e.g. Gitane St Clair carrying a Writ, impersonated to Ravnos will be a Camarilla member of the Ravnos). >So I just wanted to know if my malkavian prince clan impersonated lasombra >would he have to be sabbat(most of them are) Yes, if no other effects apply. > or could he be a >camarilla/lasombra(one is) Do you mean Lucita, who is Independent? >And also clans Gangrel and Assamite. Gangrel are independents, No. Gangrel are Camarilla. >and >Assamites are Camarilla Assamites are Independent. >(if I have heard from the RPG correctly) The RPG is not V:TES. Such changes, in V:TES, require explicit changes in card text or card text based effects. e.g. Tajdid mirroring the curse being lifted in the RPG. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D EBD690ECD7A1F She twirled a lock of hair around her forefinger and smiled B457CA213D7E6 faintly. "Actually, I'd settle for a small Greek." 68C3695D623D5D

On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:52:49 +0100, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: >In message <X_h47.51886$Ro2.6...@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net>, The >Nosferatu Stuff <roans...@yahoo.com> writes >>Can someone(lsj) maybe post me a list of the clans that are tied to sects? > >The following are tied to Camarilla: >Brujah, Gangrel, Malkavian, Nosferatu, Toreador, Tremere, Ventrue > >Additionally, Caitiff are tied to the Camarilla, but are not a clan. > >The following are tied to the Sabbat: >!Brujah, !Gangrel, Lasombra, !Malkavian, !Nosferatu, Pander, !Toreador, >!Tremere, Tzimisce, !Venture > >The following are tied to being Independent: >Assamite, Followers of Set, Giovanni, Ravnos. > >>There was a post that stated that when my camarilla guys clan impersonate >>they also pick up the sect, if that clan is generally in that sect(if that's >>not right skip the rest, stop here) > >They do, unless they have another sect changing influence on them. > >(e.g. Gitane St Clair carrying a Writ, impersonated to Ravnos will be a >Camarilla member of the Ravnos). > Following that reasoning, a Malkavian who turns Sabbat should be a Sabbat Malkavian; not a !Malk. If antitribu are truly "separate" clans from all other clans, there is no reason that changing sect forces you to be a different clan, only because you have a camarilla clan that is named the same. Cannot a malkavian be independent or sabbat without having to implicitly change it's clan?

In message <3b52971a...@news.flrtn1.occa.home.com>, Jack Crow <no...@nowhere.com> writes >Following that reasoning, a Malkavian who turns Sabbat should be a >Sabbat Malkavian; not a !Malk. Certainly. However, to the best of my knowledge, there is no method of changing your sect to Sabbat without changing your clan, as there is with Writ. > If antitribu are truly "separate" clans >from all other clans, there is no reason that changing sect forces you >to be a different clan, Changing sect doesn't force you to change clan e.g. a Brujah Antitribu carrying a Writ will be a Camarilla Brujah Antitribu. However, if you change clan, you will inherit the default sect unless other card text applies. > only because you have a camarilla clan that is >named the same. Cannot a malkavian be independent or sabbat without >having to implicitly change it's clan? To the best of my knowledge, the only current ways to change your sect to Independent or Sabbat are via changing your clan and inheriting the default sect. There is possibly a corner case somewhere involving a vampire with the "wrong" sect on their card, because that can get a little trickier to resolve. (Though it follows all the standard rules on such.) [ quoted text not captured ]

no...@nowhere.com (Jack Crow) wrote: >Following that reasoning, a Malkavian who turns Sabbat should be a >Sabbat Malkavian; not a !Malk. If antitribu are truly "separate" clans Right. >from all other clans, there is no reason that changing sect forces you >to be a different clan, only because you have a camarilla clan that is >named the same. Cannot a malkavian be independent or sabbat without >having to implicitly change it's clan? In theory, yes. With the current card set, it's not possible to change sect directly except with Writ of Acceptance, which won't help in this case. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com

>And also clans Gangrel and Assamite. Gangrel are independents, and >Assamites are Camarilla(if I have heard from the RPG correctly) So...well >forget it, just a list would be cool. As James already stated, the RPG and the CCG inhabit different (though parallel) worlds. What happens in one may be different than what happens in the other. FYI: In the RPG, the Gangrel (as a clan) have officially left the Camarilla. While there still are many Gangrel who have remained in the Camarilla, the Gangrel clan no longer has clan status there and thus has no Justicar. The case with the Assamites is a bit fuzzier. It's not as simple as "the Assamites joined the Camarilla." In the wake of Ur-Shulgi's religious purge, about a third of the Assamites decided to join the Camarilla (known as the "schismatics"). What this means is that a lot of Assamites are Camarilla-aligned. Clan Assamite is not yet really considered part of the Camarilla and does not get a Justicar (similar to the situation with the Lasombra Antitribu). But all of that is in the RPG, not in the CCG (yet)... Halcyan 2

> There is possibly a corner case somewhere involving a vampire with the > "wrong" sect on their card, because that can get a little trickier to > resolve. (Though it follows all the standard rules on such.) Corner case questions: Tegyrius, Vizier, who is a Camarilla Assamite, Clan-Impersonates into an Assamite. Does he become Independent? Lucita, who is an Independent Lasombra, Clan-Impersonates into a Lasombra. Does she become Sabbat? Josh "Don't ask why that would happen, I'm just searching for technicalities" :)

(Reshuffled for the order.) In message <c7C47.7617$OY6.1...@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, Jozxyqk <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> writes >Lucita, who is an Independent Lasombra, Clan-Impersonates into a >Lasombra. Does she become Sabbat? [LSJ 20010105] Message-ID: <934d1f$acs$1...@nnrp1.deja.com> " > So, on the same lines, can I play a Clan Impersonation on Lucita in > order for her to become a Lasombra Sabbat ? Yes, if she changes clans by doing so (so she'd have to be non-Lasombra when she takes the action to impersonate a Lasombra)." The emphasis is on *changing* clans. When you *change* clan, you inherit default sect. She didn't change clan, in your example. >Tegyrius, Vizier, who is a Camarilla Assamite, Clan-Impersonates >into an Assamite. Does he become Independent? As above. So no. (But you could go CI->Something Else, then CI->Assamite so you change clan and inherit the sect. Or play a CI after being Deranged etc.) [ quoted text not captured ]