I hope this hasn't already been answered, but I can't find it here if so.
If you play an Obedience card on a minion that is using a directed action
against you (such as ? Zho performing a directed action to steal blood
from a vampire), can that minion use the same action on another minion or
Methuselah? (i.e.- Zho was blocked from stealing from Cassandra, so now he
will attempt to steal from Nik). Our group is divided, I feel the type of
action being performed is prevented (i.e.- the minion Zho could attempt to
bleed, but could not again this round attempt to steal from ANY vampire),
but others feel he can do it again, just not from that same vampire. I can
see it both ways, especially since a certain vampire plays it, but want to
know the 'official', or at least majority opinion. Thank you in advance.
In article <3o4fj0$p...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
ChrisTexan <chris...@aol.com> wrote:
>I hope this hasn't already been answered, but I can't find it here if so.
>If you play an Obedience card on a minion that is using a directed action
>against you
[snip]
as far as i know, obedience can't be used on minions; it cites younger
vampires.
heckler
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In article <3o4fj0$p...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
ChrisTexan <chris...@aol.com> wrote:
>I hope this hasn't already been answered, but I can't find it here if so.
>If you play an Obedience card on a minion that is using a directed action>against you (such as ? Zho performing a directed action to steal blood
>from a vampire), can that minion use the same action on another minion or
>Methuselah? (i.e.- Zho was blocked from stealing from Cassandra, so now he
>will attempt to steal from Nik). Our group is divided, I feel the type of
>action being performed is prevented (i.e.- the minion Zho could attempt to
>bleed, but could not again this round attempt to steal from ANY vampire),
>but others feel he can do it again, just not from that same vampire. I can
>see it both ways, especially since a certain vampire plays it, but want to
>know the 'official', or at least majority opinion. Thank you in advance.
When using an action card (or an action described on a card in play),
including equipment/allies/retainers/political actions, the same card
is the only thing that qualifies as the same action.
When attempting a cardless action, the same action type counts, not the
target. so ?Zho could not switch targets to generate a "new" action.
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In article <3o56q7$r...@crl.crl.com>, L. Scott Johnson <lsc...@crl.com> wrote:
>In article <3o4fj0$p...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,>When using an action card (or an action described on a card in play),
>including equipment/allies/retainers/political actions, the same card
>is the only thing that qualifies as the same action.
>
>When attempting a cardless action, the same action type counts, not the
>target. so ?Zho could not switch targets to generate a "new" action.
Ignoring for the moment the bit about "younger vampire" and
assuming that Obedience would work on Thaddius Zho, I think that he
would be able to steal from someone else by the 'official' rulings.
Remember, to the DT, each action is very specific, and "Rescue Rikki
from torpor" is different than "Rescue Nik from torpor", so "steal from
Rikki" would be different from "steal from Nik", while "Social Charm my
prey" is the same no matter how many times you throw down the card.
Now, as to my personal opinion, I'd play that he can't do it
again.
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chris...@aol.com (ChrisTexan) writes:
>I hope this hasn't already been answered, but I can't find it here if so.
>If you play an Obedience card on a minion that is using a directed action
>against you (such as ? Zho performing a directed action to steal blood
>from a vampire), can that minion use the same action on another minion or
>Methuselah? (i.e.- Zho was blocked from stealing from Cassandra, so now
he
>will attempt to steal from Nik).
Minor point - you can only Obedience vampires.
The current "official" rule is that if you use a card then it's the same
action even with a different target, but if it's cardless then a different
target makes it a different action. Don't ask me where they came up with
THAT ruling.
My group plays that chosing the target does not cause you to be performing
a different action. In any case, I see no plausible reason for different
rules for carded and cardless actions.
>Our group is divided, I feel the type of
>action being performed is prevented (i.e.- the minion Zho could attempt
to
>bleed, but could not again this round attempt to steal from ANY vampire),
>but others feel he can do it again, just not from that same vampire. I
can
>see it both ways, especially since a certain vampire plays it, but want
to
>know the 'official', or at least majority opinion. Thank you in advance.
Curt Adams (curt...@aol.com)