Challenge - Make Seterpenre useful

Seterpenre [LotN:U] Cardtype: Vampire Clan: Follower of Set Group: 5 Capacity: 10 Discipline: AUS NEC OBF PRE SER Independent: When Seterpenre enters play, put up to four master: Discipline cards on him from your hand, ash heap and/or library (shuffle afterward). Discipline cards do not affect his capacity. Artist: Ken Meyer, Jr. No votes, no + anything, no dope special like Nakhtoreb or even Pentweret. If you are using Seterpenre in a settite deck, you are paying 4 pool for a useless special, since he already has all in-clan at SUP. He could be used in a Trochomancy deck I guess... So, what would you do with him? best - chris -- Super Fun Cards http://stores.ebay.com/superfuncards/ auct...@superfuncards.com

Hmm, difficult. I wonder if Spontaneous Power counts as a master: Discipline card in this context? That would open up some (small) amount of extra flexibiity. But no, no real ideas yet here. //Petri

> No votes, no + anything, no dope special like Nakhtoreb or even Pentweret. > > If you are using Seterpenre in a settite deck, you are paying 4 pool for > a useless special, since he already has all in-clan at SUP. > > He could be used in a Trochomancy deck I guess... > > So, what would you do with him? I reckon he's pretty cool. Great for tricks or weird discipline combos that are hard to get on other vamps. Def wouldn't play him in a normal Settite deck, but so what. I haven't got any decks for him, but that's because I haven't spent time trying to work them out... maybe because I don't own enough to actually build a deck with him, (I think I own 1 copy of him). Give him POT and CEL and play Typhonic beast/blur? that one springs instantly to mind. -> J grail_pbem "at" hotmail.com

In message <b935e53e-9fd5-48ef...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups .com>, Petri Wessman <or...@orava.org> writes: >Hmm, difficult. I wonder if Spontaneous Power counts as a master: >Discipline card in this context? That would open up some (small) >amount of extra flexibiity. It shouldn't, because it's only a Discipline card when it's in play. In this sense, it should be the same as looking for an ally, but not being able to find Jake Washington, or similar. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR. EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

In message <1Hnaj.17514$Rf5....@newsfe13.phx>, librarian <auct...@superfuncards.com> writes: >Seterpenre [LotN:U] >Clan: Follower of Set >Group: 5 >Capacity: 10 >Discipline: AUS NEC OBF PRE SER >Independent: When Seterpenre enters play, put up to four master: >Discipline cards on him from your hand, ash heap and/or library >(shuffle afterward). Discipline cards do not affect his capacity. > >No votes, no + anything, no dope special like Nakhtoreb or even Pentweret. > >If you are using Seterpenre in a settite deck, you are paying 4 pool >for a useless special, since he already has all in-clan at SUP. Well, the obvious thing to do is to look at him and think "Hmmm, 10 cap, and only SER for serious untaps, and that's expensive." So you might look at giving him an untap discipline - FOR is obvious, but THA might work too. Then you start thinking "What can I do with multi-actions, and what other discipline(s) do I want?" Also, being untitled, there's an easy possibility to switch to Anarch. You could give up to 9 disciplines in total, and take your pick of the Anarch tech. Of course, that may work better in the future with new Anarch tech, perhaps. Oh, and because it's possible... since this isn't playing the card, you could put Abombwe on Seterpenre, avoiding the need for Protean or Laibonitude. (See also using Abombwe on a progeny.) I don't know if there's interesting tech there, but since it's possible, it might be worth looking at. Also, Waters of Duat lets you fetch a discipline master for the spawn (rather than the Tumninos/Web of Knives specify the discipline mechanism), so whatever weird discipline badness you attempt, you could get some trusty helpers. It would help you thin out masters so that you didn't jam on them totally, but keep a few so that you can play them on any other vampires you bring out. And again, the WoDuat can get Abombwe, just in case there's something cool there. If going the Abombwe route... Norm had an interesting deck that spawned Gargoyles with Abombwe, which might be worth investigating to see if there were any useful or thought-provoking comments about how to use Abombwe effectively. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/7f95ced7a2eff6e2 was one such deck (the Eldest Command Flying Monkeys). http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/eceaaf10c18adc72 was a thread where such ideas were discussed, including http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/f3c121021a673761 where some guy was stupid enough to suggest some of the ideas used in the Flying Monkeys deck. If you have a truck load of Discipline masters in your deck, you could always experiment with Brothers Grimm, too. They can always be recycled for your spawn. [ quoted text not captured ]

librarian <auct...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > Seterpenre [LotN:U] > Cardtype: Vampire > Clan: Follower of Set > Group: 5 > Capacity: 10 > Discipline: AUS NEC OBF PRE SER > Independent: When Seterpenre enters play, put up to four master: > Discipline cards on him from your hand, ash heap and/or library (shuffle > afterward). Discipline cards do not affect his capacity. > Artist: Ken Meyer, Jr. > No votes, no + anything, no dope special like Nakhtoreb or even Pentweret. > If you are using Seterpenre in a settite deck, you are paying 4 pool for > a useless special, since he already has all in-clan at SUP. > He could be used in a Trochomancy deck I guess... > So, what would you do with him? I was thinking about giving him ANI/FOR, and making a wallish deck with Mental Maze. If you want to do something crazy and silly with Seterpenre, give him 2 OBT skillcards (and 2 of something else) when he comes into play. Have him Descend into Darkness. When he comes back from the Darkness, his special triggers again. Repeat until you have all the disciplines you want on him. How about Seterpenre's Legion? Stuff your deck with skillcards and make them into weenies.

On Dec 20, 11:58 am, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: > It shouldn't, because it's only a Discipline card when it's in play. In > this sense, it should be the same as looking for an ally, but not being > able to find Jake Washington, or similar. Ah, yes, should have checked the exact card text there. I like your Abombwe ideas... not sure if it makes for anything really practical, but it might be amusing :D //Petri

im to lazy to build the deck, but using POT skills cards, can use waters (as someone says), bima, shock trops, etc... to make the most awesome weenie pot that someone ever has see XD also, you can do the same with ani other skill (but shock troops cannot vote or bleed :S) Crypt [2 vampires] Capacity min: 4 max: 10 average: 7 ------------------------------------------------------------ 1x Seterpenre 10 AUS NEC OBF PRE SER Follower : 5 1x Fabrizia Contreraz 4 dem pot archbishop ! Malkavian:4 Library [6 cards] ------------------------------------------------------------ Action [2] 2x Waters of Duat Ally [1] 1x Bima Master [3] 1x Potence 2x Shock Troops [ quoted text not captured ]

On Dec 20, 11:39 am, Jozxyqk <jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] > them into weenies.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - OMG this is inspired, there is definitely a trick deck here somewhere.

I had been thinking giving him QUI/CHI because I was batting about a stupid "Seterpenre plays all those AUS/Indie Discipline cards" Trochomancy, Draught of the Soul, Nightmare Curse, Heart's Desire, Weigh the Heart, etc. Stupid, but I thought it might be fun....maybe back it up with some indie aus nerds. Probably madness -D

On Dec 20, 1:10 am, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > So, what would you do with him? Dude. You totally give him POT, FOR, and with the SER he becomes a total Freak Driving, bleeding, Typhonic Beast killing machine. C'mere, Enkidu... -P

On Dec 20, 1:10 am, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > Seterpenre [LotN:U] > Cardtype: Vampire > Clan: Follower of Set > Group: 5 > Capacity: 10 > Discipline: AUS NEC OBF PRE SER > Independent: When Seterpenre enters play, put up to four master: > Discipline cards on him from your hand, ash heap and/or library (shuffle > afterward). Discipline cards do not affect his capacity. > Artist: Ken Meyer, Jr. > > No votes, no + anything, no dope special like Nakhtoreb or even Pentweret. > > If you are using Seterpenre in a settite deck, you are paying 4 pool for > a useless special, since he already has all in-clan at SUP. > > He could be used in a Trochomancy deck I guess... > > So, what would you do with him? Every deck idea that I come up with is simply better to just use Nakhthorheb rather than Seterpenre. So I though up a deck using both of them. Deck Name : The Bottomless Pit Author : Norman S. Brown, Jr Description : This is a Nakthorheb deck where you use the Eternal Mask to repeatedly put Seterpenre back into play to perform unblockable action with Daring the Dawn which burns him and makes him availible for the next Eternal Mask on the following round. Crypt [10 vampires] Capacity min: 4 max: 10 average: 8.8 ------------------------------------------------------------ 4x Nakhthorheb 10 OBF PRE SER Follower :4 4x Seterpenre 10 AUS NEC OBF PRE SER Follower :5 2x Leila Monroe 4 dom obt pre Lasombra:4 Library [90 cards] ------------------------------------------------------------ Action [26] 6x Eternal Mask, The 6x Force of Will 3x Form of Corruption 4x Go Anarch 4x Temptation 3x Waters of Duat Action Modifier [27] 8x Approximation of Loyalty 6x Bewitching Oration 8x Daring the Dawn 5x Voter Captivation Combat [10] 5x Catatonic Fear 5x Target Vitals Master [18] 3x Anarch Revolt 1x Effective Management 4x Eternals of Sirius, The 2x Fortitude 2x Golconda: Inner Peace 5x Minion Tap 1x Path of Death and the Soul Political Action [9] 9x Free States Rant Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Thu Dec 20 08:21:27 2007]

J wrote: >> No votes, no + anything, no dope special like Nakhtoreb or even Pentweret. >> >> If you are using Seterpenre in a settite deck, you are paying 4 pool for >> a useless special, since he already has all in-clan at SUP. >> >> He could be used in a Trochomancy deck I guess... >> >> So, what would you do with him? > > I reckon he's pretty cool. Great for tricks or weird discipline > combos that are hard to get on other vamps. Def wouldn't play him in > a normal Settite deck, but so what. > I haven't got any decks for him, but that's because I haven't spent > time trying to work them out... maybe because I don't own enough to > actually build a deck with him, (I think I own 1 copy of him). > That's what JOL is for! > Give him POT and CEL and play Typhonic beast/blur? that one springs > instantly to mind. > Hmm, interesting... [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] Do these combo together? > Master [18] > 3x Anarch Revolt > 1x Effective Management > 4x Eternals of Sirius, The > 2x Fortitude > 2x Golconda: Inner Peace > 5x Minion Tap > 1x Path of Death and the Soul > > Political Action [9] > 9x Free States Rant > > > Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Thu Dec 20 08:21:27 2007] > Probably want a few Set's Curse to remove those pesky Allies who can block those Daring the dawn modified actions... [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] Yes, they do until LSJ gets around to saying that they don't. > > Master [18] > > 3x Anarch Revolt > > 1x Effective Management > > 4x Eternals of Sirius, The > > 2x Fortitude > > 2x Golconda: Inner Peace > > 5x Minion Tap > > 1x Path of Death and the Soul > > > Political Action [9] > > 9x Free States Rant > > > Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Thu Dec 20 08:21:27 2007] > > Probably want a few Set's Curse to remove those pesky Allies who can > block those Daring the dawn modified actions... That's what the Catatonic Fear + Target Vitals is for. Poofing Renegade Garou with Presence is PHUN (Pretty Hot Unbalanced Nutpucher). Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown, Jr XZealot Archon of the Swamp

librarian wrote: > XZealot wrote: >> Combat [10] >> 5x Catatonic Fear >> 5x Target Vitals > > Do these combo together? Yes. Google Target Vitals Catatonic author:LSJ

Do all the master cards go on him at the same time, or can you choose order? For protean then abombwe of course...

adam....@gmail.com <adam....@gmail.com> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Abombwe only cares about protean/laibonness when it is played. Seterpenre's ability ignores that restriction. He can get Abombwe skillcards without protean or being laibon at all.

> Seterpenre [LotN:U] > Cardtype: Vampire > Clan: Follower of Set > Group: 5 > Capacity: 10 > Discipline: AUS NEC OBF PRE SER > Independent: When Seterpenre enters play, put up to four master: > Discipline cards on him from your hand, ash heap and/or library (shuffle > afterward). Discipline cards do not affect his capacity. > > If you are using Seterpenre in a settite deck, you are paying 4 pool for > a useless special, since he already has all in-clan at SUP. > > He could be used in a Trochomancy deck I guess... > > So, what would you do with him? I plan to give him Fortitude and Animalism and put him in an Underbridge Stray / Shambling Hordes deck with Harbinger back-up. Presence is for Summoning, Obfuscate for Cloak and Veil, and I may ignore Serpentis aside from maybe one or two Temptation for a little extra multi-acting. It's still only a half-baked idea.

Howdy Chris, > Seterpenre [LotN:U] > Cardtype: Vampire > Clan: Follower of Set > Group: 5 > Capacity: 10 > Discipline: AUS NEC OBF PRE SER > Independent: When Seterpenre enters play, put up to four master: > Discipline cards on him from your hand, ash heap and/or library (shuffle > afterward). Discipline cards do not affect his capacity. > Artist: Ken Meyer, Jr. > > No votes, no + anything, no dope special like Nakhtoreb or even Pentweret. > > If you are using Seterpenre in a settite deck, you are paying 4 pool for > a useless special, since he already has all in-clan at SUP. > > He could be used in a Trochomancy deck I guess... > > So, what would you do with him? When I saw him I immediately thought of using him as the core of (Yet Another permutation of) my Snake Eyes concept. I'd give him PRO, for, and I dunno what else for the fourth discipline. That way he can Eagle's Sight my prey's attempt to get the Edge, Earth Meld and untap, and play Extortion, making getting the Edge that much more important. (The Fortitude card is just in case of Kiss of Ra, though I suppose you could also go for Freak Drive goodness.) With the Path of Typhon in play, the Extortion is free, and Earth Meld is free S:CE and untap (unlike Majesty). The real problem is ensuring an adequate supply of Eagle's Sight. Which is why I'm sticking with my Anneke (+ Book of Going Forth by Night) design instead... But that's what I'd try if I were going to try to use him. Alex

[ quoted text not captured ] Or you could give him Pro and Thau to be able to play Horrific Countenance and Perfect Clarity and Hide the Mind to make it unblockable and unbouncable.

XZealot wrote: > > > Or you could give him Pro and Thau to be able to play Horrific > Countenance and Perfect Clarity and Hide the Mind to make it > unblockable and unbouncable. > > Harrod plays Lost in Translation! Doh! [ quoted text not captured ]

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 06:22:03 -0800 (PST), XZealot wrote: >Deck Name : The Bottomless Pit >Author : Norman S. Brown, Jr >Description : >This is a Nakthorheb deck where you use the Eternal Mask to repeatedly >put Seterpenre back into play to perform unblockable action with >Daring the Dawn which burns him and makes him availible for the next >Eternal Mask on the following round. >Crypt [10 vampires] Capacity min: 4 max: 10 average: 8.8 >------------------------------------------------------------ >4x Nakhthorheb 10 OBF PRE SER Follower :4 >4x Seterpenre 10 AUS NEC OBF PRE SER Follower :5 >2x Leila Monroe 4 dom obt pre Lasombra:4 Is that the bottomless pit where the cheating phase never ends? Only 10 vampires....

[ quoted text not captured ] shh.... I'm leaving room for Enkidu

On Dec 20, 9:22 am, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote: > Deck Name : The Bottomless Pit > Author : Norman S. Brown, Jr > Description : > This is a Nakthorheb deck where you use the Eternal Mask to repeatedly > put Seterpenre back into play to perform unblockable action with > Daring the Dawn which burns him and makes him availible for the next > Eternal Mask on the following round. Norm, I hate to burst your bubble, but... umm... If Seterpenre's been burned, Nakthorheb's just stuck; there's nobody around to Mask Seterpenre back into play next turn. See LSJ's response here: http://tinyurl.com/yu5qd2 - D.J.

[ quoted text not captured ] I don't see that in that thread. Can LSJ confirm?

On Dec 20, 1:56 pm, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > XZealot wrote: > > > Or you could give him Pro and Thau to be able to play Horrific > > Countenance and Perfect Clarity and Hide the Mind to make it > > unblockable and unbouncable. > > Harrod plays Lost in Translation! Doh! > > best - Yes, the Invincible Harrod, Gwendolyn, Eze, Enkidu, Hazimel and Suktehk draft deck. I rightly fear it.

[ quoted text not captured ] Nakthor uses Eternal Mask to put Seter into play. Seter burns himself somehow. Nakthor still has the Eternal Mask (and cannot act). Eternal Mask's ability to burn itself and Seter during any untap cannot be used, because one of the targets doesn't exits (since Seter is no longer in play).

On Dec 20, 1:10 am, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > Seterpenre [LotN:U] > Cardtype: Vampire > Clan: Follower of Set > Group: 5 > Capacity: 10 > Discipline: AUS NEC OBF PRE SER > Independent: When Seterpenre enters play, put up to four master: > Discipline cards on him from your hand, ash heap and/or library (shuffle > afterward). Discipline cards do not affect his capacity. > Artist: Ken Meyer, Jr. > > No votes, no + anything, no dope special like Nakhtoreb or even Pentweret. > > If you are using Seterpenre in a settite deck, you are paying 4 pool for > a useless special, since he already has all in-clan at SUP. > > He could be used in a Trochomancy deck I guess... > > So, what would you do with him? > Here's a question: Will Reform Body counter the burn effect of Dual Form? If so, perhaps give him PRO and VIS so you can Dual Form him and have TWO vamps with that giant pile of discs and an out should one go to torpor. Reform Body This card can be played as a combat card or a reaction card. vis:Only usable by a vampire being burned. This vampire goes to torpor instead. May be played by a vampire in torpor. VIS: As above, and this vampire gains 2 blood from the blood bank. Dual Form 2 blood +1 stealth action pro: Untap this vampire. During this minion phase, you may untap this vampire again. PRO: This acting vampire's capacity is reduced by 1. Put this card in play, tapped. It becomes a non-unique vampire with the same clan, capacity and disciplines as the acting vampire. You may move up to 2 blood from the acting vampire to this vampire. If either minion leaves the ready region, the other is burned.

[ quoted text not captured ] I went ahead and looked this up - turns out it was already discussed, and from what I could tell, a Reform Body would leave both vampires in torpor. So there ya go.

On Dec 20, 8:29 am, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > > Give him POT and CEL and play Typhonic beast/blur? that one springs > > instantly to mind. > > Hmm, interesting... Typhonic Beast always seemed more of a Trap card than a Blur card to me. Especially in this case, since Seterpenre already has AUS for Telepathic Tracking. I would opt for [pot][pot][vis][vis] - giving you agg hands for the final +damage strike (Chiropteran Marauder) and options for Kraken's Kiss under Typhonic Beast (refill yourself in Trapped combat with repeating ranged theft from a single card). Don't underestimate Kraken's - I've used it very effectively in a Trap/Horrid Form deck of similar (though simpler and better?) design. Add Temptation. Burn your predator's minions (Trap, Typhonic Beast, Marauder).....borrow everyone elses' (Tempt, Trap, Typhonic Beast, Kraken's Kiss)......win. Of course, that assumes you live long enough to make everything work.

> If you want to do something crazy and silly with Seterpenre, give him 2 > OBT skillcards (and 2 of something else) when he comes into play. Have him > Descend into Darkness. When he comes back from the Darkness, his special > triggers again. Repeat until you have all the disciplines you want on him. Sorry, just to confirm does this combo realy works?

> Typhonic Beast always seemed more of a Trap card than a Blur card to > me. Especially in this case, since Seterpenre already has AUS for > Telepathic Tracking. My most successful Typhonic Beast deck played Madame Guil with Alastor/ Eye of Hazimel, Grapple/Blur. More efficient than hoping to be able to press to second round. And better incase of hitback. > repeating ranged theft from a single card). Don't underestimate > Kraken's - I've used it very effectively in a Trap/Horrid Form deck of > similar (though simpler and better?) design. I had a Ian Forestal Krakens' Kiss deck... was pretty fun. Magic up the Eye, and then Thoughts/Trap/Fear of the Void/Terror Frenzy/ Kraken's Kiss. If it got going it was devestating. --> J grail_pbem "at" hotmail.com

[ quoted text not captured ] Yes. Card text: "When Seterpenre enters play" Keyword for future googling: Descent into Darkness.