Card Text:
Do not replace until your untap phase.
[aus][cel] Strike: dodge, and this vampire may prevent 1 damage from a
retainer.
[AUS][CEL] Only usable before range is determined. This round, this
vampire cannot strike, and strikes and damage from retainers have no
effect on this vampire and any non-retainer cards on him or her
The problem is the meaning of a part of the text : " and strikes and
damage from retainers have no effect on this vampire and any non-
retainer cards on him or her "
The menaning is : "Strike from retaiers And damage from retairners"
or
The menaning is : " Strike ( from opposinng minion ) And damage from
retairners"
Thank a lot
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Yes, the card is THAT terrible.
i think that this card is good.
at superior could nerf immortal grapple for a round, giving the option
to strike on the second. high usability on AUS CEL guns.
obvious use is AUS CEL ANI but this discipline combination is
scarce :S
or my english is so bad that i dont understand the card?
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In message <1192723989.3...@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
"Mr_Wyrm (AKA Pentex)" <shaita...@gmail.com> writes:
>at superior could nerf immortal grapple for a round, giving the option
>to strike on the second. high usability on AUS CEL guns.
If all you want to do is stop Immortal Grapple pissing you off for a
round, use FOR and play Skin of Steel.
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On Oct 18, 3:06 pm, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote:
> "Mr_Wyrm (AKA Pentex)" <shaitan.ba...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> >at superior could nerf immortal grapple for a round, giving the option
> >to strike on the second. high usability on AUS CEL guns.
>
> If all you want to do is stop Immortal Grapple pissing you off for a
> round, use FOR and play Skin of Steel.
Bringing in another superior discipline is not a solution...
especially when it dramatically cuts down the options for your crypt
to a handful of fatties. Far better is to use what we already know we
have.
So if you want to avoid IG with AUS CEL guns, may I suggest replacing
Eyes of Blades with Sniper Rifles (if you're blocking with AUS) and/or
more maneuvers (I hear CEL has many interesting flavours for those).
Eyes of Blades is probably better used when you're not using guns and
are playing combat avoidance. Instead of your star AUS CEL vampire
packing maneuvers for IG defense, use a few EoB and you don't have to
worry about being out maneuvered (Slammed) or any Murder of Crows that
show up. You do have to worry about the fact that it has a DNR until
untap... so it's not something you really want to rely on. It's that
more than anything that will keep it out of my decks.
> > obvious use is AUS CEL ANI but this discipline combination is scarce :S
Yeah, trying to combo it with environmental damage is another
approach. Still, that DNR is going to get you.
Brent Ross
In message <1192739122.8...@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
bwross <bwr...@mail.com> writes:
>On Oct 18, 3:06 pm, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote:>> "Mr_Wyrm (AKA Pentex)" <shaitan.ba...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> >at superior could nerf immortal grapple for a round, giving the option
>> >to strike on the second. high usability on AUS CEL guns.
>>
>> If all you want to do is stop Immortal Grapple pissing you off for a
>> round, use FOR and play Skin of Steel.>
>Bringing in another superior discipline is not a solution...
>especially when it dramatically cuts down the options for your crypt
>to a handful of fatties. Far better is to use what we already know we
>have.
When AUS/CEL/ANI is the proposed solution, ditching it and using FOR is
a better one.
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>
> > >at superior could nerf immortal grapple for a round, giving the option
> > >to strike on the second. high usability on AUS CEL guns.
>
> > If all you want to do is stop Immortal Grapple pissing you off for a
> > round, use FOR and play Skin of Steel.
>> So if you want to avoid IG with AUS CEL guns, may I suggest replacing> Eyes of Blades with Sniper Rifles (if you're blocking with AUS) and/or
> more maneuvers (I hear CEL has many interesting flavours for those).
>
> Eyes of Blades is probably better used when you're not using guns and
> are playing combat avoidance. Instead of your star AUS CEL vampire
> packing maneuvers for IG defense, use a few EoB and you don't have to
> worry about being out maneuvered (Slammed) or any Murder of Crows that
> show up. You do have to worry about the fact that it has a DNR until
> untap... so it's not something you really want to rely on. It's that
> more than anything that will keep it out of my decks.
>
> > > obvious use is AUS CEL ANI but this discipline combination is scarce :S
>
> Yeah, trying to combo it with environmental damage is another
> approach. Still, that DNR is going to get you.
>
> Brent Ross
yeah, is better than disengage in combat avoidance. but (traumatic
metagame) 70% of the time when i play guns, before the IG shows
drawing out the bea(s)t and maneuvers does not help :( .
i give them a try in AUS CEL guns, then i will post my experience.
On Oct 18, 4:47 pm, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote:
> In message <1192739122.807960.273...@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,> bwross <bwr...@mail.com> writes:
> >On Oct 18, 3:06 pm, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote:
> >> "Mr_Wyrm (AKA Pentex)" <shaitan.ba...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> >> >at superior could nerf immortal grapple for a round, giving the option
> >> >to strike on the second. high usability on AUS CEL guns.
>
> >> If all you want to do is stop Immortal Grapple pissing you off for a
> >> round, use FOR and play Skin of Steel.
>
> >Bringing in another superior discipline is not a solution...
> >especially when it dramatically cuts down the options for your crypt
> >to a handful of fatties. Far better is to use what we already know we
> >have.
>
> When AUS/CEL/ANI is the proposed solution, ditching it and using FOR is
> a better one.
We have AUS CEL guns. "If all (we) want to do is stop Immortal
Grapple pissing (us) off for a round", EoB does that without adding
ANI. ANI only comes in to play if you want to use EoB actively as
well... it's not necessary for this.
Adding FOR to an AUS CEL guns deck to deal with IG doesn't make sense,
AUS CEL guns can do that by itself (even without EoB).
Brent Ross
On Oct 17, 5:02 pm, Blooded Sand <sandm...@gmail.com> wrote:
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wel if you need second round combat tricks, this helps?
On Oct 18, 12:13 pm, "Mr_Wyrm (AKA Pentex)" <shaitan.ba...@gmail.com>
wrote:
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[AUS][CEL] Only usable before range is determined. This round, THIS
vampire cannot strike, and strikes and damage from retainers have no
effect on this vampire and any non-retainer cards on him or her
"This" is referring to the vampire playing the card.
Its a card that basically stops retainers that do damage to you in
exchange for you not striking.
On 18 Oct 2007 19:40:10 -0700, "adam....@gmail.com" wrote:
>[AUS][CEL] Only usable before range is determined. This round, THIS
>vampire cannot strike, and strikes and damage from retainers have no
>effect on this vampire and any non-retainer cards on him or her>"This" is referring to the vampire playing the card.
>Its a card that basically stops retainers that do damage to you in
>exchange for you not striking.
It is the same as Bloodform, without the press to end.
On Oct 18, 10:44 pm, The Lasombra <TheLasom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> It is the same as Bloodform, without the press to end.
Bloodform (at superior) also protects against non-agg environmental
damage like Carrion Crows and Weather Control, but does not extend
protection to any agg damage (strike or retainer).
Eye of Blades (at superior) doesn't stop non-retainer environmental
damage, but does appear to stop both damage and non-damage side-
effects from strikes (but not from retainers, where it only stops
damage). It also stops agg damage (for the damage sources where it'd
work on non-agg as well).
Brent Ross
James Coupe a écrit :
> In message <1192739122.8...@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> bwross <bwr...@mail.com> writes:
>>>On Oct 18, 3:06 pm, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>"Mr_Wyrm (AKA Pentex)" <shaitan.ba...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>>>>>at superior could nerf immortal grapple for a round, giving the option
>>>>to strike on the second. high usability on AUS CEL guns.>>>
>>>If all you want to do is stop Immortal Grapple pissing you off for a
>>>round, use FOR and play Skin of Steel.>>
>>Bringing in another superior discipline is not a solution...
>>especially when it dramatically cuts down the options for your crypt
>>to a handful of fatties. Far better is to use what we already know we
>>have.>
>
> When AUS/CEL/ANI is the proposed solution, ditching it and using FOR is
> a better one.
very witty indeed....
considering that decks packing grapple (and preternatural strength) now
often use Dead hand or Blood fury to effectively deliver the damage, i'd
say that skin of steel is more likely to be hosed than before.
Still, i doubt i'd want to play eye of blades...
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Seems like a good fit in AUS CEL tha/THA decks. But not much else. I
am putting one (1) copy in my Aus Cel Pot Quicken Sight Sewer Lid deck
to see what happens. I will report back the results.
Ultimately, I think what makes this card wallpaper is the DNR
restriction. Next untap is too long. End of Minion phase, or end of
turn, maybe, but next untap, ouch. Of course, that also means it is
much better in interecept Aus decks as opposed to Nose of the Hound Aus
decks.
best -
chris
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On Oct 18, 8:06 pm, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote:
> If all you want to do is stop Immortal Grapple pissing you off for a
> round, use FOR and play Skin of Steel.
>
The Toreador and Toreador Antitribu don't have a lot of FOR, and have
plenty of AUS CEL.
Kevin Walsh
>> The menaning is : "Strike from retaiers And damage from retairners"
>> or
>> The menaning is : " Strike ( from opposinng minion ) And damage from
>> retairners"
>> Thank a lot> The second. Retainers cannot strike, their damage is environmental
There is a retainer than can strike, actually...
Sorrow