If a new vampire is brought into play because of a minion's action (say:
superior Enchant Kindred, Accounting, Embrace, or Progeny), can the vampire
so acquired act on the same turn?
I would have said no; there seems to be a metarule that minions brought
into play (recruited allies or influenced vampires) come into play
untapped but at the end of the acting players' turn, so they can block
if necessary but cannot act until next turn.
But the Embrace card specifically says that the vampire so created must
hunt on the turn it is brought in. Is this an exception?
papillo the populist
papillo@fc.hp.com (Bob Ellison) writes:
>If a new vampire is brought into play because of a minion's action (say:
>superior Enchant Kindred, Accounting, Embrace, or Progeny), can the vampire
>so acquired act on the same turn?
>
>I would have said no; there seems to be a metarule that minions brought
>into play (recruited allies or influenced vampires) come into play
>untapped but at the end of the acting players' turn, so they can block
>if necessary but cannot act until next turn.
Well... I don't know where you get this metarule from... Vampires usually
cannot do anything in the round they are brought into play because they
come out in the Influence phase, which occurs when the Minion phase is
over. If they come out untapped in the Minion phase, I see nothing wrong
with them acting in that phase if needed.
- Tor Iver
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Tor Iver Wilhelmsen (toriver@pvv.unit.no) wrote:
> papillo@fc.hp.com (Bob Ellison) writes:
> >If a new vampire is brought into play because of a minion's action (say:
> >superior Enchant Kindred, Accounting, Embrace, or Progeny), can the vampire
> >so acquired act on the same turn?> >I would have said no; there seems to be a metarule that minions brought
> >into play (recruited allies or influenced vampires) come into play
> >untapped but at the end of the acting players' turn, so they can block
> >if necessary but cannot act until next turn.> Well... I don't know where you get this metarule from... Vampires usually
> cannot do anything in the round they are brought into play because they
> come out in the Influence phase, which occurs when the Minion phase is
> over. If they come out untapped in the Minion phase, I see nothing wrong
> with them acting in that phase if needed.
Cards that add blood to an uncontrolled vampire (Enchant Kindred, Govern
the unaligned, etc.) stay uncontrolled until your influence phase, even if
they are filled to capacity. Minions who are recruited (AKAIK) can take
actions the turn they are brought into play. As for Vampires that are
created via progeny, embrace, I presume they could take actions as well.
I don't believe there is anything similar to "summoning sickness" in
Jyhad (thank g*d).
-ben
--
"I've seen things you wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the
shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tann-
hauser gate. All these moments will be lost in time, like tears in the rain."
In <39o690$juq@utdallas.edu> matthews@utdallas.edu writes:
> As for Vampires that are
>created via progeny, embrace, I presume they could take actions as well.
>I don't believe there is anything similar to "summoning sickness" in
>Jyhad (thank g*d).
>
The cases for Progeny and Embrace are covered on the cards. Progeny
cannot act on the turn they are brought into play; Embrace may only
hunt on the turn they are brought into play.
DSR
<matthews@utdallas.edu> wrote:
>Cards that add blood to an uncontrolled vampire (Enchant Kindred, Govern
>the unaligned, etc.) stay uncontrolled until your influence phase, even if
>they are filled to capacity. Minions who are recruited (AKAIK) can take
>actions the turn they are brought into play. As for Vampires that are
>created via progeny, embrace, I presume they could take actions as well.
>I don't believe there is anything similar to "summoning sickness" in
>Jyhad (thank g*d).
Uncontrolled vampires don't check their blood totals, and thus come
into play, until end of influence. Allies cannot act the turn they
come into play, and should be placed in your uncontrolled region for
the moment to remind you of that (end section 12.3.1, "Recruit Ally").
The vampire created by Progeny/Embrace isn't covered by either of these
rules, so just goes straight into your ready region, and has to hunt as
its action for the turn (card text).
Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for
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Bob Ellison (papillo@fc.hp.com) wrote:
: If a new vampire is brought into play because of a minion's action (say:
: superior Enchant Kindred, Accounting, Embrace, or Progeny), can the vampire
: so acquired act on the same turn?: I would have said no; there seems to be a metarule that minions brought
: into play (recruited allies or influenced vampires) come into play
: untapped but at the end of the acting players' turn, so they can block
: if necessary but cannot act until next turn.: But the Embrace card specifically says that the vampire so created must
: hunt on the turn it is brought in. Is this an exception?: papillo the populist
A minion that is somehow brought out during your minion phase can act
that turn, I think...the reason that they can't act normally is because
when you bring them out during you influence phase, your minion phase is
already over....
Chris
clavin@student.umass.edu or
clavin@titan.ucs.umass.edu
> > >If a new vampire is brought into play because of a minion's action (say:
> > >superior Enchant Kindred, Accounting, Embrace, or Progeny), can the vampire
> > >so acquired act on the same turn?> > >I would have said no; there seems to be a metarule that minions brought
> > >into play (recruited allies or influenced vampires) come into play
> > >untapped but at the end of the acting players' turn, so they can block
> > >if necessary but cannot act until next turn.> > Well... I don't know where you get this metarule from... Vampires usually
> > cannot do anything in the round they are brought into play because they
> > come out in the Influence phase, which occurs when the Minion phase is
> > over. If they come out untapped in the Minion phase, I see nothing wrong
> > with them acting in that phase if needed.> Cards that add blood to an uncontrolled vampire (Enchant Kindred, Govern
> the unaligned, etc.) stay uncontrolled until your influence phase, even if
> they are filled to capacity. Minions who are recruited (AKAIK) can take
> actions the turn they are brought into play. As for Vampires that are
> created via progeny, embrace, I presume they could take actions as well.
> I don't believe there is anything similar to "summoning sickness" in
> Jyhad (thank g*d).
I think this is wrong. Allies that are recruited are put into a "special
area" because they cannot act during the turn they are recruited. I don't
remember the exact section of the rulebook, though.
Would this change your interpretation?
papillo the analgesic
papillo@fc.hp.com (Bob Ellison) writes:
>
>I think this is wrong. Allies that are recruited are put into a "special
>area" because they cannot act during the turn they are recruited. I don't
>remember the exact section of the rulebook, though.
It's on page 24, second paragraph. Allies are placed in the inactive
region (where the uncontrolled vampires are) and move into the active
region at the end of your turn.
- Tor Iver
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Tor Iver Wilhelmsen <toriver@pvv.unit.no> CS student at NTH, Trondheim, NO
Info: http://www.pvv.unit.no/~toriver/ Member of The Software Workshop, UNIT
Stem JA den 28. november! "Memory is like an orgasm. It's much better if
you don't have to fake it." -- Seymour Cray on virtual memory ***********
Tom Wylie (aahz@hal.COM) wrote:
: <matthews@utdallas.edu> wrote:
: >Cards that add blood to an uncontrolled vampire (Enchant Kindred, Govern
: >the unaligned, etc.) stay uncontrolled until your influence phase, even if
: >they are filled to capacity. Minions who are recruited (AKAIK) can take
: >actions the turn they are brought into play. As for Vampires that are
: >created via progeny, embrace, I presume they could take actions as well.
: >I don't believe there is anything similar to "summoning sickness" in
: >Jyhad (thank g*d).: Uncontrolled vampires don't check their blood totals, and thus come
: into play, until end of influence. Allies cannot act the turn they
: come into play, and should be placed in your uncontrolled region for
: the moment to remind you of that (end section 12.3.1, "Recruit Ally").
: The vampire created by Progeny/Embrace isn't covered by either of these
: rules, so just goes straight into your ready region, and has to hunt as
: its action for the turn (card text).: Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for
: aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.
Well, wait a second. The Progeny card says that the vampire has to
hunt...the Embrace says that the vampire cannot act...or maybe it's the
other way around. Anyway, this is just an "I don't have every card in
front of me at all times" thing, right, Tom?
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Prince of Davis
Jerrod Ankenman <ez052838@rocky.ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>Well, wait a second. The Progeny card says that the vampire has to
>hunt...the Embrace says that the vampire cannot act...or maybe it's the
>other way around. Anyway, this is just an "I don't have every card in
>front of me at all times" thing, right, Tom?
Oops, you're right, I didn't think to look at Progeny, which says the
new vampire cannot act that round. Embrace says the new vampire
can only hunt.
Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for
aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.