(OT) Jyhad - The Educational Experience?

>I've never been a geography buff and I still get a lot of the European cities >from Dark Sovereigns confused. Am I'm still wondering if "Inbase Discotek, >Frankfurt" is supposed to be some special place? And BTW, I know Ankara is the >capital of Turkey, but is there supposed to be some special Citadel or >something? Okay, let me be your tourist guide ;-) I will concentrate on the german locations, but one thing: Pere Lachaise is in Paris, which you correctly place in the northeast of France - although for the French it's the center I guess, the department (roughly equivalent to a state, although the french constitution is not as federal as the american) around Paris is actually called "Ile de France" - the island of France, i.e. the heartland. What references to Germany do we have? The infamous "Inbase Discothek, Frankfurt" to me was always based on the once-famous 'Dorian Grey', which is situated in Frankfurt Int'l Airport. The cradle of german Techno music, although nowadays the real stuff comes from Berlin. "Powerbase: Berlin" is pretty self-explanatory: Berlin is the capital of the unified Germany (before that it was Bonn). "Heidelburg Castle, Germany", as I pointed out in one of my last Brujah newsletters, should actually be "Heidelberg Castle", but nevertheless... The card artwork gives a good impression of how it looks: A big old castle overlooking one of the most famous university towns in Germany. It (the castle) is best known for being home of the biggest wine casket in the world (I think, it's enormous and - unfortunately - empty). Ah yes, and the Chantry of Munich. Actually I have no clue what specific sacred building the designers had in mind... The Frauenkirche is the biggest church down here, but I wouldn't call it a Chantry. But there are plenty of really beautiful Baroque cloisters and chapels around here, so I guess it makes sense to have a Tremere guy taking care of them being filled with some haunting music. Actually there is a very obscure "vampirish" connection between Munich and a, well, Chantry. Morris Pert, a scottish musician and composer, premiered one of his orchestral pieces entitled 'The Ancient Kindred' (!) in Munich. He released his albums on a label called Chantry Records... (Hehe, good stuff for the next fiction part in my newsletter. Mark my words: a giant conspiracy!) A little bit OT, but one other word derived from German is the often-misspelled "Rotschreck", which roughly translates to "fear of the red", i.e. the dawn or fire. Regards Skaffen (entering Tourist Information: "Where is my bloody Chantry?") "I'm alive and bleeding for everyone Pull me from this mire Hold me till I'm home." (My Dying Bride, 'Der Überlebende')

"skaffen_amtiskaw" <skaffen_...@my-deja.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3ab259b1...@news.space.net... > > >I've never been a geography buff and I still get a lot of the European cities > >from Dark Sovereigns confused. Am I'm still wondering if "Inbase Discotek, > >Frankfurt" is supposed to be some special place? And BTW, I know Ankara is the > >capital of Turkey, but is there supposed to be some special Citadel or > >something? > > Okay, let me be your tourist guide ;-) I will concentrate on the > german locations, but one thing: Pere Lachaise is in Paris, which you > correctly place in the northeast of France - although for the French > it's the center I guess, the department (roughly equivalent to a > state, although the french constitution is not as federal as the > american) around Paris is actually called "Ile de France" - the island > of France, i.e. the heartland. hum, guys i'll help you out : Pere Lachaise is a cemetery settled inside Paris, Intra Muros. In fact, i live near this cemetery, in the 20th "arrondissement" (means district). A lot of writers, actors and some pop stars are resting there. I'll jsut add it's the biggest "green space" you can find inside paris. Someone fancy photos of this nice place ? reyda

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>Most notably for fans of American rock, it is where Jim Morrison is >supposed to be buried. On the documentary I was watching, it talked about how the authorities are considering possibly evicting Jim Morrison from Pere Lachaise. Mainly because lots of people go to visit his grave and even more vandalize (via graffiti, etc.) a lot of the neighboring tombs and graves by writing various messages to or about Mr. Morrison. Apparently, the officials of the cemetery take it very seriously and there's a lot of security in that area. (I've never been there myself so I can't verify that). Halcyan 2

Just a weird thought. Unlike most CCG's, a lot of Jyhad/VTES is based on history and the real world (in particular geographical locations, etc). On multiple occasions I've wondered exactly where the location on this card is or exactly what it is and in several cases I've even bothered to look it up! Don't get me wrong. I'm actually quite educated. It's just that here in America, we usually don't have that much of a focus on a lot of the more notable European monuments and locations. So I was thinking...wouldn't it be cool if one some Jyhad/VTES web-site, that there might be a quick rundown (e.g. history lesson) on some of the locations? I know it sounds a bit silly and it would probably require a great deal of work, but maybe we'll learn more or something? Interestingly enough, a few weeks ago I was watching TV and you'd be surprised how often such subjects come up on History/TLC/PBS, etc. channels. I caught a fascinating show on the Palace of Versailles (which I had known about before) but I also found a neat episode on Pere Lachaise as well (which I previously had no idea what it was). Apparently it's some famous cemetary in Northeast France where lots of famous people (Chopin, Oscar Wilde, and Jim Morrison, among others). I've never been a geography buff and I still get a lot of the European cities from Dark Sovereigns confused. Am I'm still wondering if "Inbase Discotek, Frankfurt" is supposed to be some special place? And BTW, I know Ankara is the capital of Turkey, but is there supposed to be some special Citadel or something? Just a weird thought. Halcyan 2

> >Just a weird thought. > >Unlike most CCG's, a lot of Jyhad/VTES is based on history and the real world >(in particular geographical locations, etc). On multiple occasions I've >wondered exactly where the location on this card is or exactly what it is and >in several cases I've even bothered to look it up! Well, there are a few I can add: Dartmoor, England - this is notable for being a large expanse of moorland. It is a wild area, largely a protected nature reserve (national park deal). Famous also for a series of murders that happened there in the 1960s. Tomb of Rameses III -This is actually just north of Cairo, Egypt. The tomb is sometimes referred to as the "Harpers Tomb" due to the two harpers playing to the gods in four of the chambers. Rameses III is noted as one of the last Great Pharoahs, fending off several major threats to the Egyptians during his lifetime. He ruled Egypt for 31 years, dying at about 65 years old. Not bad for a civilisation that didn't even have flushing toilets! Inveraray, Scotland - We passed through there a couple of years ago whilst on tour in Scotland. There is a Castle there, which is the home of the Duke and Duchess of Argyll, the head of Clan Cambell. Legbiter might know more details - Leggy? London Evening Star - there is no such thing at the moment! There is an Evening Standard, and a Daily Star, but no such thing as the Evening Star. However, there is nothing to say that there wasn't years ago. There are a couple that go without saying - Oxford university, England (one of the most prestigious colleges in the land), Sacre Coure (Paris's 2nd most famous Church after Notre Dame) etc etc. Any ideas about Wasseschloss Anif, Austria anyone? DH

[snipped] > > Any ideas about Wasseschloss Anif, Austria anyone? > Found a web page (http://www.salzburg-umgebung.at/flachgau/gemeinde/anif/anif.htm), according to which Anif is near Salzburg, Austria (no surprise there...). The page has a picture of the Wasserschloss ("water castle") in broad daylight... :-) Since the text is in german, here a quick translation: Anif borders on Mozart's city of Salzburg. As early as 788 a village called ANUA existed, hence the modern name of Anif. [...] The Wasserschloss is a special point of interest. It has been built within an artificial lake some centuries ago. Originally erected as summer housing for the Bishop of Chiemsee, it is private property today. [...] -- Hardy Range hardy...@gmx.de

"Reyda" <re...@noos.fr> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:98tov0$171j$1...@news4.isdnet.net... [snipped] > Someone fancy photos of this nice place ? > > reyda > For those of you out there who cannot afford the short trip across the ocean, but have an Internet access available, here is aweb page that should giv eyou an impression of the cemetery (and its beauty - if you happen to be in Paris, you should go there): http://northstargallery.com/pages/PereLachaiseindex.htm -- Hardy Range hardy...@gmx.de

Being a Belgian, most of the European locations make at least some sense to me. There's one, however, that puzzles me and it's supposed to be a Belgian location: Ruins of Villars Abbey, Belgium. The real name is probably in French. It does ring a bell, but I can't place it as of yet. Has anybody heard of this abbey? Jeroen

Jeroen <Jeroen...@newsranger.com> wrote in article <CNnt6.1281$94....@www.newsranger.com> : [ quoted text not captured ] Well, there actually are the ruins of a Cistercian abbey in a a town called Villers near Liege - see this link for a short history of the place: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15431c.htm I think Villars or Villers is a quite common name for villages in french-speaking areas, so the misspelling might be excusable. Also - and I guess that is what rings a bell - the famous ruins of the Abbeye de Borchaud (incidently also a Cistercian place) in the French region Dordogne are situated near Villars. Regards Skaffen Chantry Elder Of Munich "I'm alive and bleeding for everyone Pull me from this mire Hold me till I'm home." (My Dying Bride, 'Der Überlebende') _______________________________________________ Submitted via WebNewsReader of http://www.interbulletin.com

skaffen_amtiskaw wrote: > > Jeroen <Jeroen...@newsranger.com> wrote in article > <CNnt6.1281$94....@www.newsranger.com> : > >Being a Belgian, most of the European locations make at least some sense to me. > >There's one, however, that puzzles me and it's supposed to be a Belgian > >location: Ruins of Villars Abbey, Belgium. > > > >The real name is probably in French. It does ring a bell, but I can't place it > >as of yet. Has anybody heard of this abbey? > > > > Well, there actually are the ruins of a Cistercian abbey in a a town called Villers near Liege - see this link for a short history of the place: > > http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15431c.htm > > I think Villars or Villers is a quite common name for villages in french-speaking areas, so the misspelling might be excusable. Also - and I guess that is what rings a bell - the famous ruins of the Abbeye de Borchaud (incidently also a Cistercian place) in the French region Dordogne are situated near Villars. The misspelling is not solely of WotC's making - it may be a proper alternative spelling. See http://webtext.library.yale.edu/beinflat/pre1600/MARS192.HTM for another reference to the Cistercian Abbey, one that uses the "Villars" spelling. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

<snip> >The misspelling is not solely of WotC's making - it may be a proper alternative spelling. >See http://webtext.library.yale.edu/beinflat/pre1600/MARS192.HTM for another >reference to the Cistercian Abbey, one that uses the "Villars" spelling. I don't think it's an alternative spelling. Although I might seem pedantic right now, the link you quote is about the only one I get having the town as "Villars", and it's (no offence) an english one - the pronounciation is very similar to "Villers" in French. Not only expedia.com shows the village to be called Villers, some more evidence can be found at: Despy, G.. La fondation de l'abbaye de Villers (1146). Archief en bibliotheekwezen van België 28 (1957) (which I got from the internet, so no undue scolary showing-off here) I just want to make this statement so that - if they ever get reprinted ;-) - cards like the now-discussed Villars Abbey, Belgium and, ahem, Heidelburg Castle get the proper title. [ quoted text not captured ]

skaffen_...@my-deja.com (skaffen_amtiskaw) writes: > I don't think it's an alternative spelling. Although I might seem > pedantic right now, the link you quote is about the only one I get > having the town as "Villars", and it's (no offence) an english one - > the pronounciation is very similar to "Villers" in French. A number of place names change their spelling between languages e.g. London - Londres Dover - Douvres Cornwall - Cornuaille (or something similar) Munich - Munchen etc. A search on google seems to return a number of places using the Villars spelling. -- James Coupe | PGP Key 0x5D623D5D "Definitely a woman" - www.thespark.com/ Standard disclaimers apply to this post. Full written details available upon request. Your statutory rights are not affected.

James Coupe <jr...@srcf.ucam.org> wrote in article <2wk85l6...@kern.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk> : >skaffen_...@my-deja.com (skaffen_amtiskaw) writes: > >> I don't think it's an alternative spelling. Although I might seem >> pedantic right now, the link you quote is about the only one I get >> having the town as "Villars", and it's (no offence) an english one - >> the pronounciation is very similar to "Villers" in French. > >A number of place names change their spelling between languages > >e.g. > >London - Londres >Dover - Douvres >Cornwall - Cornuaille (or something similar) >Munich - Munchen >etc. > >A search on google seems to return a number of places using the >Villars spelling. There are many places in France, Switzerland or Belgium that are called Villars or Villers. It is a very common name for small cities or villages in the french (and spanish: "Villares") speaking area. Most of the times the full name is something like Villars-sur-Mere, which probably means "The village at the seaside". Obviously V:tES is an english TCG, so all place names should be in English. But I doubt if there are alternative spellings for Villers or Villars in different languages, as none of the places is noteworthy enough (although quite a few have abbeys or ruins next to them...). On every map I look the town in question is spelled "Villers", even if the atlas gives mutliple spellings in different languages where needed (for example Liege - Luttich, Brussels - Bruxelles). I guess we should leave it at that, Jeroens question was where the place is situated, and with LSJ's confirmation we now can be pretty sure that it's Villers (or Villars) in Brabant. And indeed Jyhad can be an educational experience, as I had to revive my rusty French to read through all these web pages. Regards Skaffen Chantry Elder Of Munich, Protector Of Heidelberg's True Spelling in the World Of Darkness & in need of taking it easy with these things - why not call the card Pile Of Dog Poo, Munich, for that matter? "I'm alive and bleeding for everyone Pull me from this mire Hold me till I'm home." (My Dying Bride, 'Der Überlebende') [ quoted text not captured ]