WWEF-2nd trad [LSJ]

Hi, Small question on an issue I encountered on saturday in Barcelona. I thought it was misplayed, called a judge (don't remember which one it was, definitely not Damnans )and he said it was correct after all. I feel rather ..uncomfortable with the ruling, so I thought I'd check: Situation: Player A (my grandprey) controlls Fleurdumal (Prince of Miami) with 1 blood, tapped. I (his grandpredator) bleed my prey (and after a blocking attempt and adding 3 stealth), deflected to player A Player A plays: Wake with evening's freshness + Second Tradition, both on Fleurdumal. He untaps his vampire.(and afterwards tries to block, in which he fails, due to +3 stealth added by me) IMHO, I would say that either he plays WWEF+2ND, does not pay the one blood, but does not untap; or he plays both cards, pays the 1 blood, and untaps. It was ruled that he can play WWEF, therefore can play the 2nd as if untapped, and thus does not have to pay the 1 blood in order to untap.. Can you clarify this for me? Thanks in advance, Jo

On 23 Oct 2003 06:32:41 -0700, jo.her...@sca.com (wolflord) scrawled: [ quoted text not captured ] card text to the rescue? Second Tradition: Domain [Jyhad, V:TES, CE] Cardtype: Reaction Requires a ready prince or justicar. +2 intercept. Also usable by a tapped prince or justicar, even if intercept is not yet needed, to burn a blood to untap and attempt to block with +2 intercept. If played as if untapped, all you get is +2 intercept. If played as tapped, you must burn a blood _to_ untap etc. You definately can't get a free untap out of it by combining with WWEF. You can get the free intercept though (although you'll still be tapped). salem domain:canberra http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/vtes.htm

salem wrote: > On 23 Oct 2003 06:32:41 -0700, jo.her...@sca.com (wolflord) >>Player A plays: Wake with evening's freshness + Second Tradition, both >>on Fleurdumal. >>He untaps his vampire.(and afterwards tries to block, in which he >>fails, due to +3 stealth added by me) >> >>IMHO, I would say that either he plays WWEF+2ND, does not pay the one >>blood, but does not untap; or he plays both cards, pays the 1 blood, >>and untaps. >> >>It was ruled that he can play WWEF, therefore can play the 2nd as if >>untapped, and thus does not have to pay the 1 blood in order to >>untap.. > If played as if untapped, all you get is +2 intercept. > If played as tapped, you must burn a blood _to_ untap etc. > > You definately can't get a free untap out of it by combining with > WWEF. You can get the free intercept though (although you'll still be > tapped). Correct. Second Tradition doesn't untap the vampire unless he burns a blood. Playing Wake will allow playing Second Tradition for no cost to gain +2 intercept, but gaining +2 intercept won't untap the prince. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

wolflord wrote: > It was ruled that he can play WWEF, therefore can play the 2nd as if > untapped, and thus does not have to pay the 1 blood in order to > untap.. "+2 intercept. Also usable by a tapped Prince or Justicar, even if intercept is not yet needed, to burn a blood to untap and attempt to block with +2 intercept." Seems pretty obvious that to untap would require a blood. --Colin McGuigan