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2 sabbat questions: 1) can anyone give me a list of female sabbat vamps that have au and/or dom or have a stealth bonus? i am specifically looking for expendables (cap. 4 or less) tho i know that any stealth bonuses will cost me. 2) can sabbat vamps call wildhunts on non-sabbat vamps (and vice versa) or participate in any way in a hunt of non-sabbat vamps? thanks for your help....jason <all...@wcnet.org>

amy lynn renock wrote: > > 2 sabbat questions: 1) can anyone give me a list of female sabbat vamps > that have au and/or dom or have a stealth bonus? i am specifically > looking for expendables (cap. 4 or less) tho i know that any stealth > bonuses will cost me. > The prime vamp for you is Rebecca, Chantry Elder of Munich: Tremere, Cap 8, AUS PRE THA, +1 stealth on all of her actions (She is no sabbat, though. But you may use Clan Impersonation if you really want to make her sabbat) For a search of your other vamps, check http://pcs.cnu.edu/~jtullner/jyhad/disc-match.txt Choose your set of disciplines, and in that text-file you find the vamps matching. 2) can > vamps (and vice versa) or participate in any way in a hunt of non-sabbat > vamps? > thanks for your help....jason <all...@wcnet.org> The sabbat (correct me please if I am wrong) has no card like Imperial Decree/Convenant of Blood which are cards for NON-CAMARILLA vs. CAMARILLA. You cannot use them for Sabbat because Sabbat is a sect and Non-Camarilla is a collective term for the four independend clans. You CAN use War Party (the sabbat equivalent to the Blood Hunt Action), which enables you to attack nearly ALL vampires (not only Camarilla). In fact, you can attack every vamp except Archbishops, Prisci and Cardinals. -- Michael Beer, Dortmund, Germany, ICQ 1175389 -------------------------------------------- Life is founded on Chaos. So if you find your living room became disordered: Don't panic! It's natural... :)

Michael Beer wrote: > 2) can > > vamps (and vice versa) or participate in any way in a hunt of non-sabbat > > vamps? > > thanks for your help....jason <all...@wcnet.org> i think you're talking about blood hunts/ wild hunts? if so, blood and wild hunts are the same thing, and a "generic" hunt can be called by any methuselah when any vampire is diablerised (except in cases like that pander where it's not allowed, and muaziz..) regardless of whether the victim was sabbat or not or whether you control a sabbat or not. > The sabbat (correct me please if I am wrong) has no card like Imperial > Decree/Convenant of Blood which are cards for NON-CAMARILLA vs. > CAMARILLA. You cannot use them for Sabbat because Sabbat is a sect and > Non-Camarilla is a collective term for the four independend clans. sure you can. there are two sects: sabbat and camarilla. the four independant clans are just that, independant. they are not sabbat, and not camarilla. so if a card says "non-camarilla" it means just that, not a camarilla. so they could be independant or sabbat vampires to be eligable for the "non-camarilla" bit. thus making the card "closed session" actually useful for camarilla voting decks. if a card says "non-sabbat" then it applies to the four independant clans, plus camarilla clans.. > You CAN use War Party (the sabbat equivalent to the Blood Hunt Action), > which enables you to attack nearly ALL vampires (not only Camarilla). In > fact, you can attack every vamp except Archbishops, Prisci and > Cardinals. hey, that sounds like fun....i bet it's rare though..... :( > Michael Beer, Dortmund, Germany, ICQ 1175389 > -------------------------------------------- salem christ....

Michael Beer wrote: > The sabbat (correct me please if I am wrong) has no card like Imperial > Decree/Convenant of Blood which are cards for NON-CAMARILLA vs. > CAMARILLA. You cannot use them for Sabbat because Sabbat is a sect and > Non-Camarilla is a collective term for the four independend clans. Non-Camarilla is a collective term for all clans that are not Camarilla clans. It includes the four Independent clans as well as all Sabbat clans. -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@regency.wizards.com) Official VtES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. (*) - Subject to review by Rules Team

On Wed, 21 May 1997, L. Scott Johnson wrote: > Michael Beer wrote: > > The sabbat (correct me please if I am wrong) has no card like Imperial > > Decree/Convenant of Blood which are cards for NON-CAMARILLA vs. > > CAMARILLA. You cannot use them for Sabbat because Sabbat is a sect and > > Non-Camarilla is a collective term for the four independend clans. > > Non-Camarilla is a collective term for all clans that are not Camarilla > clans. It includes the four Independent clans as well as all Sabbat > clans. > Non-Camarilla means "outside Camarilla"? I could swear I heard otherwise! You are sure of this, right? This makes those Camarilla Segregations and Closed Sesisons a lot more interesting, tho. David Pontes 8[

David Pontes wrote: > > On Wed, 21 May 1997, L. Scott Johnson wrote: > > Non-Camarilla is a collective term for all clans that are not Camarilla > > clans. It includes the four Independent clans as well as all Sabbat > > clans. > > Non-Camarilla means "outside Camarilla"? I could swear I heard > otherwise! You are sure of this, right? Right. Sure I'm sure. I don't believe I ever heard otherwise from a source that could be viewed as official. [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <3382E3...@regency.wizards.com>, L. Scott Johnson <vte...@regency.wizards.com> wrote: >Michael Beer wrote: >> The sabbat (correct me please if I am wrong) has no card like Imperial >> Decree/Convenant of Blood which are cards for NON-CAMARILLA vs. >> CAMARILLA. You cannot use them for Sabbat because Sabbat is a sect and >> Non-Camarilla is a collective term for the four independend clans. > >Non-Camarilla is a collective term for all clans that are not Camarilla >clans. It includes the four Independent clans as well as all Sabbat >clans. > >-- >L. Scott Johnson (vte...@regency.wizards.com) >Official VtES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. >(*) - Subject to review by Rules Team How about the caitiff? Are they considered Camarilla, non-Camarilla, or something else entirely? Also, what effects does it have if a vampire is non-Camarilla / Camarilla ? /Ola Mikael -- -------------------------| \ _, "Search for the unicorn in Ola Mikael Hansson | /*.\___ your heart, believe - and you -------------------------| ` ( __ )\ shall find true beauty!" dat9...@ludat.lth.se | (l (l '

Ola Hansson wrote: > > In article <3382E3...@regency.wizards.com>, > L. Scott Johnson <vte...@regency.wizards.com> wrote: > >Michael Beer wrote: > >> The sabbat (correct me please if I am wrong) has no card like Imperial > >> Decree/Convenant of Blood which are cards for NON-CAMARILLA vs. > >> CAMARILLA. You cannot use them for Sabbat because Sabbat is a sect and > >> Non-Camarilla is a collective term for the four independend clans. > > > >Non-Camarilla is a collective term for all clans that are not Camarilla > >clans. It includes the four Independent clans as well as all Sabbat > >clans. > > How about the caitiff? Are they considered Camarilla, non-Camarilla, > or something else entirely? Camarilla > Also, what effects does it have if a vampire is non-Camarilla / > Camarilla ? In addition to any restrictions/effect listed in card text: Vampires who are not Camarilla vampires: Cannot become Princes or Primogen. [SAB] Cannot call Praxis Seizures, Justicar Retribution, Command of the Harpies, Masquerade Enforcement, nor a vote to burn Elysium: the Arboretum. [RTR] Cannot call Camarilla Exemplary. [TOM 951227] Cannot call a vote to burn Masquerade Enforcement. [TOM 960206] Can call any votes not listed above. [TOM 960102] Cannot be chosen as an Archon or Camarilla Exemplary. [RTR] Suffer the effects of blocking an Archon or Camarilla Exemplary. [RTR] Vampires who are not Sabbat vampires: Cannot become Bishops, Archbishops, Prisci, or Cardinals Cannot call Crusades [ quoted text not captured ]

> 2) can sabbat vamps call wildhunts on non-sabbat >vamps (and vice versa) or participate in any way in a hunt of non->sabbat >vamps? For the purposes of Jyhad, Wild Hunts and Blood Hunts are the same thing, so they can participate as normal. Unless you're referring to the Bloodhunt card with your second question; I believe it says "any vampire", but I'm not sure if the Sabbat rules disallows it. --- Liam Burke "So when are they coming out with Golconda by Day, anyway?" -overheard

In article <338146...@leila.ping.de>, Michael Beer <Mi...@leila.ping.de> writes >The sabbat (correct me please if I am wrong) has no card like Imperial >Decree/Convenant of Blood which are cards for NON-CAMARILLA vs. >CAMARILLA. You cannot use them for Sabbat because Sabbat is a sect and >Non-Camarilla is a collective term for the four independend clans. Non-Camarilla means not a member of the Camarilla. Thus, it applies to all Independents AND to all Sabbat. Covenant can be played by Sabbat vampires of the right capacity, and Camarilla vampires can attack Sabbat with an Imperial Decree. -- Pax Vobiscum Justin Grace