FoS Idea?

Just wanted to check to see if this is possible... Okay, you can go into negative stealth, with cards like call of the hungry dead. You can go into negative life for cards like life boon. Can you go into negative bleed? Specific deck concept: You bleed me for 1, stealth it past or I don't block. I have 5 untapped FoS with superior serpentis. All 5 play the reaction Ecstasy at superior. Which reduces the bleed to -4, and does 5 non-preventable damage to the bleeder at the end of the action. Sounds good to me, what do you guys think? Aaron

[ quoted text not captured ] I think nobody will ever bleed you again for the entire game. However, you must then discover a means to oust your prey, and it will probably suck to be on the business end of a vote or combat deck :) -- Derek "You should rush your predator this turn." "Why?" "Because he's not me."

The Nosferatu Stuff wrote: > > Just wanted to check to see if this is possible... > Okay, you can go into negative stealth, with cards like call of the hungry > dead. > You can go into negative life for cards like life boon. > Can you go into negative bleed? Yes. You can also have negative strength and intercept. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

Derek Ray <lor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<hf25nto0hguoklt9s...@4ax.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] Thats cool, as long as it works. They I just throw in a few dread gazes/delaying tactics and eliminate the vote decks. Haha, my deck that is impervious to attack is finally starting to come together! Now I just need to either beat all combat decks, or avoid combat all together.... Aaron

On 9 Aug 2001 13:21:02 -0700, roans...@yahoo.com (Aaron) wrote: >Thats cool, as long as it works. They I just throw in a few dread >gazes/delaying tactics and eliminate the vote decks. Haha, my deck >that is impervious to attack is finally starting to come together! ...the downward spiral begins... :) [ quoted text not captured ]

<snip questions> > > Specific deck concept: You bleed me for 1, stealth it past or I don't block. > I have 5 untapped FoS with superior serpentis. All 5 play the reaction > Ecstasy at superior. Which reduces the bleed to -4, and does 5 > non-preventable damage to the bleeder at the end of the action. > > Sounds good to me, what do you guys think? > > Aaron I think the problem is finding a way to keep SER guys untapped. Sure you could use wakes or forced awakening, but that's alot of cards to stuff in a deck to reduce bleed by 1 each. Also, since it's a burn blood effect, they won't go to torpor for it. I think Ecstasy (and Banner of Neutrality) are great cards, but I've yet to build the FoS intercept deck to put them in. Aramis *does sound like an interesting deck though*

"Aramis" <came...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:d9925496.01080...@posting.google.com... [ quoted text not captured ] You are right. I will have to use it with my abbat kindred, and give them all serpentis skill cards. Because they have fortitude, I can use freak drives to allow them to take actions, then untap. Ah, I will play with free state rants! It will be the weeine freestates rant deck I always dreamed about. Then I can pack it with major boons so I can damage my prey with ecstasy also, and get my grand prey to take bleeds for me. And then I just need to drop in a few smiling jacks and presto! There is still that annoying combat thing but still. It'll look something like this: Deck Name: Psst, Hey Kid? Created by: Nosferatu Stuff Crypt: (12 cards) [Min: 15, Max: 22, Avg: 4.42] 7 Aabbt Kindred (for pre ser, Followers of Set, 4) 1 Dedefra (nec obf SER, Followers of Set, 5) 2 Hesha Ruhadze (ani obf pre SER, Followers of Set, 6) 1 Khalil Anvari (pre ser, Followers of Set, 3) 1 Mirembe Kabbada (ani PRO SER, Gangrel, 5) Library: (65 cards) Master (17 cards) 5 Major Boon 7 Serpentis 3 Smiling Jack, The Anarch 2 Strained Vitae Supply Minion (48 cards) 3 Awe 3 Bewitching Oration 14 Ecstasy 6 Freak Drive 10 Free States Rant 5 Kine Resources Contested 4 Skin of Steel 3 Change of Target

The Nosferatu Stuff wrote: > > > Deck Name: Psst, Hey Kid? > Created by: Nosferatu Stuff > > Crypt: (12 cards) [Min: 15, Max: 22, Avg: 4.42] > 7 Aabbt Kindred (for pre ser, Followers of Set, 4) > 1 Dedefra (nec obf SER, Followers of Set, 5) > 2 Hesha Ruhadze (ani obf pre SER, Followers of Set, 6) > 1 Khalil Anvari (pre ser, Followers of Set, 3) > 1 Mirembe Kabbada (ani PRO SER, Gangrel, 5) I would put at least 1 Nefertiti in your crypt, maybe even 2 - you may just want to do (D) actions with the Aabts eventually. Not really sure how you are going to protect Smiling Jack. I would actually use Grand Temple of Set and some Guard Dutys. Then, once you have tempted some dudes over, bleed him with those dudes. The whole table shouldn't gang on you, unless you are really obnoxious. Chris > > Library: (65 cards) > Master (17 cards) > 5 Major Boon > 7 Serpentis > 3 Smiling Jack, The Anarch > 2 Strained Vitae Supply > > Minion (48 cards) > 3 Awe > 3 Bewitching Oration > 14 Ecstasy > 6 Freak Drive > 10 Free States Rant > 5 Kine Resources Contested > 4 Skin of Steel > 3 Change of Target -- chris shorb <www.vtesinla.org> (A V:TES site in development) prince of torrance, california Ultimate Disc - Hockey - Vampire the Eternal Struggle Ebay page <http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/vtessingles/>

> Deck Name: Psst, Hey Kid? Not yet but working on it. Where's the bar...? > Created by: Nosferatu Stuff > > Crypt: (12 cards) [Min: 15, Max: 22, Avg: 4.42] > 7 Aabbt Kindred (for pre ser, Followers of Set, 4) > 1 Dedefra (nec obf SER, Followers of Set, 5) > 2 Hesha Ruhadze (ani obf pre SER, Followers of Set, 6) > 1 Khalil Anvari (pre ser, Followers of Set, 3) > 1 Mirembe Kabbada (ani PRO SER, Gangrel, 5) Add 2 Nephertiti. > Library: (65 cards) > Master (17 cards) > 5 Major Boon How about Life Boons rater than Major Boons? If you are holding up your predator, you might want a way of stopping him being killed. 5 Major Boons is way too excessive anyway. > 7 Serpentis > 3 Smiling Jack, The Anarch Bleargh! No. You really need to be able to protect these if you play them. I say again, No. > 2 Strained Vitae Supply Why? You are going to need to hunt too, y'know! Society of Leopold x 4-6 is critical to any Free States Rant deck. You call the vote, do the damage, but need to screw over those that get affected by it. Add Blood Dolls Add an Archon Investigation Rumor Mill and Club Zombie might be a help here. Opium Den might be nice, as might be Club Zombie. Tribute to the Master x2-3 > Minion (48 cards) > 3 Awe > 3 Bewitching Oration > 14 Ecstasy > 6 Freak Drive > 10 Free States Rant > 5 Kine Resources Contested > 4 Skin of Steel > 3 Change of Target Add Voter Captivations (about 6) Add Embraces (about 4-6) Add More Ecstacys - 2 bleeds for 8 and you're screwed. Some Writ of Acceptances and a few Praxis? Cryptic Riders? KRCs? Lots of room for cards - use it! At the moment, you will just sit there and reduce bleeds, and then die as you Grand Predator swoops in. Still, the idea of an Independant vote deck that could, in theory, get a vote lock is intruiging. Good luck DH

> > You are right. I will have to use it with my abbat kindred, and give them > all serpentis skill cards. Because they have fortitude, I can use freak > drives to allow them to take actions, then untap. Ah, I will play with free > state rants! It will be the weeine freestates rant deck I always dreamed > about. Then I can pack it with major boons so I can damage my prey with > ecstasy also, and get my grand prey to take bleeds for me. And then I just > need to drop in a few smiling jacks and presto! There is still that > annoying combat thing but still. It'll look something like this: > > > Deck Name: Psst, Hey Kid? > Created by: Nosferatu Stuff > > Crypt: (12 cards) [Min: 15, Max: 22, Avg: 4.42] > 7 Aabbt Kindred (for pre ser, Followers of Set, 4) > 1 Dedefra (nec obf SER, Followers of Set, 5) > 2 Hesha Ruhadze (ani obf pre SER, Followers of Set, 6) > 1 Khalil Anvari (pre ser, Followers of Set, 3) > 1 Mirembe Kabbada (ani PRO SER, Gangrel, 5) If you're using other vampires than your Aabbt, I'd only include one of each and go fetch them with Summon the Serpent. > > Library: (65 cards) > Master (17 cards) > 5 Major Boon A good choice since you can't really bleed, but without bounce, how are you going to use these to your advantage? As leverage against your predator? > 7 Serpentis > 3 Smiling Jack, The Anarch I see no intercept. You may want to consider using Anarch Revolts instead and toss in some DT's or DG's to protect them. > 2 Strained Vitae Supply As was mentioned before, you'd like to hunt too at times. Ditch these to bring down your master percentage. > > Minion (48 cards) > 3 Awe > 3 Bewitching Oration > 14 Ecstasy > 6 Freak Drive > 10 Free States Rant > 5 Kine Resources Contested > 4 Skin of Steel > 3 Change of Target You know what's really beautiful with a Setite vote deck? Charming Lobby. Call a Free States Rant with it at superior, Betwitching Oration, that's 7 votes in favor with all titles worth one less than normal. Ditch the edge and it's 9 votes in favor. It passes, now call your damage vote and watch it pass for free. Wash, rinse, repeat until the table hates you. I would suggest becoming more of an anti-vote monster by including DT or DG. At some tables you might even be the swing (anti)votes. Nothing says Setite like a Ventrue lap dog. =) Luck, Aramis

"hamdamcwa" <dave...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:9e10847c.01081...@posting.google.com... > > Deck Name: Psst, Hey Kid? > > Not yet but working on it. Where's the bar...? > > > Created by: Nosferatu Stuff > > > > Crypt: (12 cards) [Min: 15, Max: 22, Avg: 4.42] > > 7 Aabbt Kindred (for pre ser, Followers of Set, 4) > > 1 Dedefra (nec obf SER, Followers of Set, 5) > > 2 Hesha Ruhadze (ani obf pre SER, Followers of Set, 6) > > 1 Khalil Anvari (pre ser, Followers of Set, 3) > > 1 Mirembe Kabbada (ani PRO SER, Gangrel, 5) > > Add 2 Nephertiti. > > > > Library: (65 cards) > > Master (17 cards) > > 5 Major Boon > > How about Life Boons rater than Major Boons? If you are holding up > your predator, you might want a way of stopping him being killed. Nah, if my prey bleeds his prey, I can use major boon to take the damage, then modify it with ecstacy to burn all the blood on his minion. Then after I have ousted him, if my predator bleeds me I make my new prey take it, sounds like a good deal to me? > 5 Major Boons is way too excessive anyway. > > > 7 Serpentis > > 3 Smiling Jack, The Anarch > > Bleargh! No. You really need to be able to protect these if you play > them. I say again, No. I left a little room in the deck, it's only 60 something...so maybe I need some sports bikes or something, otherwise maybe they'll just scare everyone? > > 2 Strained Vitae Supply > > Why? You are going to need to hunt too, y'know! > Society of Leopold x 4-6 is critical to any Free States Rant deck. You > call the vote, do the damage, but need to screw over those that get > affected by it. Genius, pure genius! That is exactly what I need! =) > Add Blood Dolls > Add an Archon Investigation yuck, who is going to bleed me anyway?(see dereks comments) > Rumor Mill and Club Zombie might be a help here. > Opium Den might be nice, as might be Club Zombie. > > Tribute to the Master x2-3 > > > Minion (48 cards) > > 3 Awe > > 3 Bewitching Oration > > 14 Ecstasy > > 6 Freak Drive > > 10 Free States Rant > > 5 Kine Resources Contested > > 4 Skin of Steel > > 3 Change of Target > > Add Voter Captivations (about 6) > > Add Embraces (about 4-6) > > Add More Ecstacys - 2 bleeds for 8 and you're screwed. > > Some Writ of Acceptances and a few Praxis? > > Cryptic Riders? > > KRCs? > > Lots of room for cards - use it! At the moment, you will just sit > there and reduce bleeds, and then die as you Grand Predator swoops in. > > Still, the idea of an Independant vote deck that could, in theory, get > a vote lock is intruiging. Good luck It's still a work in progress. What I really want is a ser/aus/dom deck. But I haven't figured out how to tackle that one yet, this is my stepping stone. Aaron

"The Nosferatu Stuff" <roans...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<Psjd7.17681$7G.2...@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net>... > "hamdamcwa" <dave...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:9e10847c.01081...@posting.google.com... <snip> > > > Library: (65 cards) > > > Master (17 cards) > > > 5 Major Boon > > > > How about Life Boons rater than Major Boons? If you are holding up > > your predator, you might want a way of stopping him being killed. > > Nah, if my prey bleeds his prey, I can use major boon to take the damage, > then modify it with ecstacy to burn all the blood on his minion. ahem, well, erm, no? I do beleive that your prey is still bleeding your grand prey, not you. you're just taking the pool loss for that bleed against your grand prey. Ecstasy, i beleive, requires _you_ to be the target of the bleed. It would work if you used that chimerstry card that reduces a bleed against _any_ methuselah, but then we're talking about a whole different deck.... > Then after > I have ousted him, if my predator bleeds me I make my new prey take it, > sounds like a good deal to me? also, how do you oust the first prey? > > Society of Leopold x 4-6 is critical to any Free States Rant deck. You > > call the vote, do the damage, but need to screw over those that get > > affected by it. > > Genius, pure genius! That is exactly what I need! =) vampiric disease might also help to get the blood down on people....and if you're lucky it'll spread.... > > Add Blood Dolls > > Add an Archon Investigation > > yuck, who is going to bleed me anyway?(see dereks comments) people who think they can bleed for more than the amount of untapped minions you have. which is why you might want to make that number 3, and then play AI to burn the over-enthusiastic sod. > It's still a work in progress. What I really want is a ser/aus/dom deck. > But I haven't figured out how to tackle that one yet, this is my stepping > stone. malk and trem with ser skill cards? O:) salem.

salem christ wrote: > "The Nosferatu Stuff" <roans...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Nah, if my prey bleeds his prey, I can use major boon to take the damage, > > then modify it with ecstacy to burn all the blood on his minion. > > ahem, well, erm, no? > I do beleive that your prey is still bleeding your grand prey, not > you. you're just taking the pool loss for that bleed against your Correct. > grand prey. Ecstasy, i beleive, requires _you_ to be the target of the > bleed. It would work if you used that chimerstry card that reduces a > bleed against _any_ methuselah, but then we're talking about a whole > different deck.... Correct again. [ quoted text not captured ]

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3B791790...@white-wolf.com... > salem christ wrote: > > "The Nosferatu Stuff" <roans...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Nah, if my prey bleeds his prey, I can use major boon to take the damage, > > > then modify it with ecstacy to burn all the blood on his minion. > > > > ahem, well, erm, no? > > I do beleive that your prey is still bleeding your grand prey, not > > you. you're just taking the pool loss for that bleed against your > > Correct. > > > grand prey. Ecstasy, i beleive, requires _you_ to be the target of the > > bleed. It would work if you used that chimerstry card that reduces a > > bleed against _any_ methuselah, but then we're talking about a whole > > different deck.... > > Correct again. Er uh what? Sorry, but when I made the deck I was going by the white wolf rules page that says: "May only be played on a successful bleed (bleed for 1 or more pool). Only action modifiers and reaction cards that modify the bleed amount may be played after the Boon - general action modifiers and reaction cards cannot be played (e.g., Telepathic Counter and Threats may be played, but not Deflection)" So it looks very much like I play cards like Telepathic Counter (Reduce a bleed against *you* by 1) and cards like Ecstasy (Reduce a bleed against *you* by 1) Now what we tried to figure out last week was... When my prey bleeds my predator he is bleeding for 1, I can play major boon to take it. By the rules page I can modify it with ecstasy, and reduce it to 0. When it's zero, and the bleed ends up for none does the boon stay around? I would prefer it does, because the purpose is I'll take your bleed you take mine. And just because I reduced yours means you still didn't have to take it.(I believe when you cash the boon in they can also reduce the amount so all's fair) But some of the guys said it would fizzle, because you no longer meet the 'at least for 1' clause, and that sounds more correct to me. Aaron

[ quoted text not captured ] If *you* are being bled, yes. The Methuselah playing the Boon is not being bled, however. > Now what we tried to figure out last week was... > When my prey bleeds my predator he is bleeding for 1, I can play major boon > to take it. By the rules page I can modify it with ecstasy, and reduce it You play Major Boon so that you pay the pool. You are not being bled, however. The target of the bleed hasn't changed. You cannot play ecstasy, since you are not being bled. > to 0. When it's zero, and the bleed ends up for none does the boon stay > around? I would prefer it does, because the purpose is I'll take your bleed > you take mine. And just because I reduced yours means you still didn't have > to take it.(I believe when you cash the boon in they can also reduce the > amount so all's fair) If the Methuselah who is being bled uses TC or Ecstasy to reduce the bleed to zero, then the Boon doesn't stick around. > But some of the guys said it would fizzle, because you no longer meet the > 'at least for 1' clause, and that sounds more correct to me. Correct. [ quoted text not captured ]

>> The Nosferatu Stuff wrote: >> So it looks very much like I play cards like Telepathic Counter (Reduce a >> bleed against *you* by 1) and cards like Ecstasy (Reduce a bleed against >> *you* by 1) > > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:\ > If *you* are being bled, yes. > The Methuselah playing the Boon is not being bled, however. Ignis Fatuus (Ignorant Fat Ass?) at superior does what you want to do, Aaron. *ponders* Hrm. Maybe I have the basis of a future Ravnos deck. Regards, Noal

dhar...@my-deja.com (Noal McDonald) wrote in message news:<bb705c59.01081...@posting.google.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] Not a bad idea Noal! I'll leave that one up to you. I am trying to find a method of damaging my predator, while relying on the burn blood/life effects of ecstacy used en-mass. The entire problem with intercept/reaction decks is that they have not allowed much, if any cards that are effective at moving forward. The only exception is eagles sight, which allows intercept decks to block all those (D) actions heading their prey's direction. Leaving non-auspex based intercept decks with nothing to do vs preys that focus on bruise/bleed for example. Aaron