rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

LSJ: Sanctionable tournaments?

4 messages from 4 participants · 20 January 2003 – 21 January 2003
original thread on Google Groups

Frederick Scott

(Coming out of my annual Christmas-season torpor - at least for the time being...) Hi, Recently talking to people in our neck of the woods, it was suggested that we hold a VEKN-sanctioned tournament which allowed people to preconstruct decks from their collection but limits the cards they can use. For instance, to allow only titled vampires or independent vampires in one's crypt. Someone here was under the impression that this kind of tournament would be considered a "limited" tournament (because the selection of usable cards was limited) and that VEKN was fairly liberal about how "limited" tournaments were structured. My understanding was that any tournament that allowed you to use whatever cards you want from your own collection (even if the allowable types of cards were in some way restricted) is considered a "constructed" tournament and that there was only one type of constructed tournament sanction by VEKN: the one that allows any card printed, banned list not withstanding. This definition is as opposed to building a deck with a specific fairly small *set* of cards that are in some way determined and at the site of the tournament (e.g. sealed deck, by just opening boosters or possibly a starter and boosters or draft, by opening boosters and going through a drafting process), which what I understood was a "limited" tournament. I assumed the point about the "liberal policy" concerning limited tournaments meant that the organizer had pretty much a fairly free hand in determining which types of boosters and/or starters and how many of each exactly would be used to open or draft to created each player's material for deckbuilding. Which view is right? (Or if you clarify this whole issue, we'd appreciate it.) (By the way, I always thought a good suggestion for a non- standard tournament would be to allow each player to bring a set number of library cards and vampires out of their collection with a sheet of paper listing what they contributed. Then shuffle the cards and pass them out randomly or draft them. At the end of the tournament, everybody gets their cards back - with the understanding that, a) you don't *necessarily* get back the *exact* cards you donated - you might get a worn "Immortal Grapple" card in place of the mint one you brought and the guy who brought the worn one might get your mint copy); and b) tournament organizer is not responsible for 'accidents', such as with beverages. My choice for numbers would 120 library cards and 20 vampires.) Thanks, Fred

Johannes Walch

From my opinion the term "Limited Tournament" means (at least in the CCG world) that the tournament involves constructing a deck !on site! (Usually involving boosters and/or starters). That is also why you have got a separate rating, because Limited involves (in addition to all what Constructed does) the following things : deckbuilding skills, time pressure, probably drafting skills. -- johannes walch v:ekn germany - http://www.vekn.de johanne...@vekn.de

The Lasombra

On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 20:58:39 GMT, Frederick Scott <freds64_at_...@removethis.com> wrote: >Recently talking to people in our neck of the woods, it >was suggested that we hold a VEKN-sanctioned tournament >which allowed people to preconstruct decks from their >collection but limits the cards they can use. This can be done. Here's where it is documented: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/veknRulesNew.html 6.1.1. Set Restrictions The tournament organizer may limit players to the use of one or more card sets. For example, the tournament organizer may require players to restrict their decks to cards from the Dark Sovereigns and Final Nights card sets. The tournament organizer must advertise any card set restrictions prior to the event. All cards will be required to use the most recent card texts even if the revised card text appears in a set not allowed in the current event. Example: In an event restricted to the use of the V:TES base set, the Master card "Misdirection" would still tap only one minion. Note: Sanctioned tournaments conducted with card set restrictions will not have their results included in the V:EKN player ratings. > For instance, >to allow only titled vampires or independent vampires in >one's crypt. This is not sanctionable. > Someone here was under the impression that >this kind of tournament would be considered a "limited" >tournament (because the selection of usable cards was >limited) and that VEKN was fairly liberal about how >"limited" tournaments were structured. The only "limited" formats that are sanctioned are in the same document, section 7. 7.1. Limited Formats The V:EKN sanctions the following Sealed formats: Sealed (standard) (see section 7.3) Restricted Trade (also called Michigan Draft) (see section 7.4) The V:EKN sanctions the following Draft formats: Booster Draft (standard) (section 7.6) Table Draft (also called Rochester Draft) (section 7.7) Mixed Draft (also called Elder Draft) (section 7.8) >My understanding was that any tournament that allowed you >to use whatever cards you want from your own collection (even >if the allowable types of cards were in some way restricted) is >considered a "constructed" tournament and that there was only >one type of constructed tournament sanction by VEKN: the one >that allows any card printed, banned list not withstanding. Correct, with the exception of set restrictions, and the tournaments with set restrictions do not affect your ratings. >This definition is as opposed to building a deck with a specific >fairly small *set* of cards that are in some way determined and >at the site of the tournament (e.g. sealed deck, by just opening >boosters or possibly a starter and boosters or draft, by opening >boosters and going through a drafting process), which what I >understood was a "limited" tournament. I assumed the point about >the "liberal policy" concerning limited tournaments meant that the >organizer had pretty much a fairly free hand in determining which >types of boosters and/or starters and how many of each exactly >would be used to open or draft to created each player's material >for deckbuilding. You are correct here. >Which view is right? (Or if you clarify this whole issue, we'd >appreciate it.) Yours. The Tournament Rules seem to make it fairly clear. Carpe noctem. Lasombra http://www.TheLasombra.com

LSJ

Frederick Scott wrote: > Recently talking to people in our neck of the woods, it > was suggested that we hold a VEKN-sanctioned tournament > which allowed people to preconstruct decks from their > collection but limits the cards they can use. For instance, > to allow only titled vampires or independent vampires in > one's crypt. Someone here was under the impression that > this kind of tournament would be considered a "limited" > tournament (because the selection of usable cards was > limited) and that VEKN was fairly liberal about how > "limited" tournaments were structured. That is a incorrect assessment on that someone's part. A quick read of the V:EKN rules on limited formats should put that perspective aright. [V:EKN 7] > My understanding was that any tournament that allowed you > to use whatever cards you want from your own collection (even > if the allowable types of cards were in some way restricted) is > considered a "constructed" tournament and that there was only > one type of constructed tournament sanction by VEKN: the one > that allows any card printed, banned list not withstanding. Correct. Although the V:EKN will sanction (but not record results for) tournaments that limit construction to a subset of the expansions. [VEKN 6.1.1] > This definition is as opposed to building a deck with a specific > fairly small *set* of cards that are in some way determined and > at the site of the tournament (e.g. sealed deck, by just opening > boosters or possibly a starter and boosters or draft, by opening > boosters and going through a drafting process), which what I > understood was a "limited" tournament. I assumed the point about > the "liberal policy" concerning limited tournaments meant that the > organizer had pretty much a fairly free hand in determining which > types of boosters and/or starters and how many of each exactly > would be used to open or draft to created each player's material > for deckbuilding. > > Which view is right? (Or if you clarify this whole issue, we'd > appreciate it.) You are correct. See the V:EKN rules online: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/veknRules.html -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/