Thoughts Betrayed vs. Mask 1000 Faces

Is Mask of 1000 Faces a card that can be played after an action is blocked? It would seem sensible to me otherwise a normal stealth card would be more effective. If it can be played in such a manner I think it would be an effective counterstroke to TB. Since TB must be played after a block and before combat like I think Mask should be played. A follow up question concerns the errata on Mask. Could the rule regarding applicable effects be invoked against TB - "Effects applied to minion (e.g. Backways) also do not carry over to the new vampire." or is that only wishfull thinking. If so then not only can the new vampire play cards, but the blocking vampire starts 2 blood weaker. Suprise, Suprise!

Shane House wrote: > > TB may be a combat > card but it's strength stems from the fact that it can be played > before entering combat disallowing most responses therafter. > ... > Unless there is a twilight realm, a cusp neither blocking phase or > combat phase where TB resides. Right. TB was ruled to be played "just before combat begins". So you can't play it until combat begins, and if there is still a chance the block might fail, you can't play it yet. So yes, there is a "twilight realm"... James -- | James Hamblin | "It's not Magic, kid. It's evil." | | je...@cornell.edu | -- Tom Servo, "MST3K: Pod People" |

Shane House (Set...@gnn.com) wrote: : Is Mask of 1000 Faces a card that can be played after an action is : blocked? It would seem sensible to me otherwise a normal stealth : card would be more effective. : If it can be played in such a manner I think it would be an : effective counterstroke to TB. Since TB must be played after a : block and before combat like I think Mask should be played. A great idea--or it would be, if your timing wasn't fucked up. :) TB is a combat card, and Mask an action modifier. If your opponent attempents to block an action, he dosen't immediatly play his combat cards--you get a chance to respond to his block. That's the point that you would play Mask. If you don't combat begins, and then he plays TB. At that point, Mask is unplayable--both because it's the wrong type of card and because the superior version of TB prevents the oppossing vampire from playing _any_ cards. Joe -- Joe Helfrich, Managing Editor, CPI | I think the past/the past is behind us j...@dimensional.com | be real confusing if not/but anyway http://www.dimensional.com/~jbh | --Blues Traveller "But Anyway" I will not go quietly into that good night.

Shane House wrote: > > Is Mask of 1000 Faces a card that can be played after an action is > blocked? It would seem sensible to me otherwise a normal stealth > card would be more effective. Well, you play it in response to a block being declared. It _is_ useful, though. Say you are a dominate/obfuscate bleed deck. But all you have out is a vamp with DOM and one with OBF. You really want to get that Gov. the Unaligned through. So the DOM-guy declares it, a block is attempted, and then he rips off his face, and it was really OBF-gal at stealth! > If it can be played in such a manner I think it would be an > effective counterstroke to TB. Since TB must be played after a > block and before combat like I think Mask should be played. > A follow up question concerns the errata on Mask. Could the rule > regarding applicable effects be invoked against TB - "Effects > applied to minion (e.g. Backways) also do not carry over to the new > vampire." or is that only wishfull thinking. If so then not only > can the new vampire play cards, but the blocking vampire starts 2 > blood weaker. Suprise, Suprise! Well, unfortunately, if he plays TB, you're already in combat, and even if you _could_ play any cards, it would be too late for action modifiers. [ quoted text not captured ]

I'm missing something. Text of TB - " Only usable before combat begins." This is not the same as say " usable before range is chosen." Which is the first step in combat. TB may be a combat card but it's strength stems from the fact that it can be played before entering combat disallowing most responses therafter. In the sequence of play this must occur during the blocking phase. [ quoted text not captured ]

James Hamblin <je...@cornell.edu> wrote: >Shane House wrote: >> >> TB may be a combat >> card but it's strength stems from the fact that it can be played >> before entering combat disallowing most responses therafter. >> ... >> Unless there is a twilight realm, a cusp neither blocking phase or >> combat phase where TB resides. >Right. TB was ruled to be played "just before combat begins". So you >can't play it until combat begins, and if there is still a chance the >block might fail, you can't play it yet. So yes, there is a "twilight >realm"... >James >-- >| James Hamblin | "It's not Magic, kid. It's evil." | >| je...@cornell.edu | -- Tom Servo, "MST3K: Pod People" | I'm afraid we are at twilight's end. A rules-team-ruling in the current errata compilation for DS/AH indicates that "before combat begins" should be treated as "as you enter combat" garou

Set...@gnn.com (Shane House) writes: >Is Mask of 1000 Faces a card that can be played after an action is >blocked? It would seem sensible to me otherwise a normal stealth >card would be more effective. Yes - it can be played at any time up until the action is ended (either successfully or unsuccessfully). Note that combat from a block occurs after the (unsuccessful) end of the action. >If it can be played in such a manner I think it would be an >effective counterstroke to TB. Since TB must be played after a >block and before combat like I think Mask should be played. No - TB is played "as combat is entered" - which would be after the end of the action. Mask must be played prior to this point (just as obedience would have to be played prior to that point). >A follow up question concerns the errata on Mask. Could the rule >regarding applicable effects be invoked against TB - "Effects >applied to minion (e.g. Backways) also do not carry over to the new >vampire." or is that only wishfull thinking. If so then not only >can the new vampire play cards, but the blocking vampire starts 2 >blood weaker. Suprise, Suprise! Moot. -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | One single fact can ruin a http://www.math.sc.edu/cgi-bin/sjohnson/home | perfectly good argument. Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. |