Ok, posted this b4, but was the wrong way because I'm severely ill and
wasn't thinking right early in the morning.. but this is what I
actually wanted to ask...
If my andrea giovanni stole the ankara citadel, and path of bone was
in play..
1) Do I get shambling hordes for free? as in 3 / 2 = 1 (count
downwards), then 1 - 1 = 0 cost?? or....
2) Does the path of bone take place first as it is a master card, then
the citadel, and still makes it cost 1 blood from andrea? as in 3 - 1
= 2, 2 / 2 = 1 (count downwards)
I even have another deck that involves that combo, but gonna take it
apart if #2 is the correct form :( Thanks for reading.
DeistMutts wrote:
> If my andrea giovanni stole the ankara citadel, and path of bone was
> in play..
>
> 1) Do I get shambling hordes for free? as in 3 / 2 = 1 (count
> downwards), then 1 - 1 = 0 cost?? or....
>
> 2) Does the path of bone take place first as it is a master card, then
> the citadel, and still makes it cost 1 blood from andrea? as in 3 - 1
> = 2, 2 / 2 = 1 (count downwards)
1).
See http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3D00E65F.EADEA66D%40white-wolf.com
for more.
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Sweet! Thanks LSJ! However, still a little confused after reading the
post you pointed out.. is it based on cost first, then burn second? or
is it based on location first, then master second? Thanks again for
reading this post.
LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3EF1C377...@white-wolf.com>...
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DeistMutts wrote:
> Sweet! Thanks LSJ! However, still a little confused after reading the
> post you pointed out.. is it based on cost first, then burn second? or
> is it based on location first, then master second? Thanks again for
> reading this post.
Things that change the cost change the cost.
Things that change how much blood a vampire burns in relation to the
cost are calculated based on the net (adjusted) cost.
>
> LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3EF1C377...@white-wolf.com>...
>>>DeistMutts wrote:
>>>>>If my andrea giovanni stole the ankara citadel, and path of bone was
>>>in play..
>>>
>>>1) Do I get shambling hordes for free? as in 3 / 2 = 1 (count
>>>downwards), then 1 - 1 = 0 cost?? or....
>>>
>>>2) Does the path of bone take place first as it is a master card, then
>>>the citadel, and still makes it cost 1 blood from andrea? as in 3 - 1
>>>= 2, 2 / 2 = 1 (count downwards)>>
>>1).
>>
>>See http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3D00E65F.EADEA66D%40white-wolf.com
>>for more.>
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"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
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> DeistMutts wrote:
[re: Andrea Giovanni with Ankara Citadel and a Path of Bone in
play wants to recruit a Shambling Hordes]
> > Sweet! Thanks LSJ! However, still a little confused after reading the
> > post you pointed out.. is it based on cost first, then burn second? or
> > is it based on location first, then master second? Thanks again for
> > reading this post.
>
> Things that change the cost change the cost.
> Things that change how much blood a vampire burns in relation to the
> cost are calculated based on the net (adjusted) cost.
If I read this correctly, it doesn't actually determine an order
for applying Ankara Citadel and Path of Bone reductions (since
both change how much blood the vampire burns in relation to
the cost).
My take would then be that the controller chooses what order to
apply the effects in. Correct?
Josh
necronomical
Joshua Duffin wrote:
> "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message>>DeistMutts wrote:> [re: Andrea Giovanni with Ankara Citadel and a Path of Bone in
> play wants to recruit a Shambling Hordes]
>>>>Sweet! Thanks LSJ! However, still a little confused after reading the
>>>post you pointed out.. is it based on cost first, then burn second? or
>>>is it based on location first, then master second? Thanks again for
>>>reading this post.>>
>>Things that change the cost change the cost.
>>Things that change how much blood a vampire burns in relation to the
>>cost are calculated based on the net (adjusted) cost.>
> If I read this correctly, it doesn't actually determine an order
> for applying Ankara Citadel and Path of Bone reductions (since
> both change how much blood the vampire burns in relation to
> the cost).
>
> My take would then be that the controller chooses what order to
> apply the effects in. Correct?
No.
Per the Google link given, Ankara says that he pays half the cost
and the Path says he burns one less when doing so.
Which leads to the same effect as applying Ankara before Path in
an arithmetic formulation.
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"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
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> Joshua Duffin wrote:
> > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
> >>DeistMutts wrote:
> > [re: Andrea Giovanni with Ankara Citadel and a Path of Bone in
> > play wants to recruit a Shambling Hordes]
> >
> >>>Sweet! Thanks LSJ! However, still a little confused after reading the
> >>>post you pointed out.. is it based on cost first, then burn second? or
> >>>is it based on location first, then master second? Thanks again for
> >>>reading this post.
> >>
> >>Things that change the cost change the cost.
> >>Things that change how much blood a vampire burns in relation to the
> >>cost are calculated based on the net (adjusted) cost.
> >
> > If I read this correctly, it doesn't actually determine an order
> > for applying Ankara Citadel and Path of Bone reductions (since
> > both change how much blood the vampire burns in relation to
> > the cost).
> >
> > My take would then be that the controller chooses what order to
> > apply the effects in. Correct?
>
> No.
> Per the Google link given, Ankara says that he pays half the cost
> and the Path says he burns one less when doing so.
> Which leads to the same effect as applying Ankara before Path in
> an arithmetic formulation.
Are you saying that Ankara *does* change the cost? I would
have thought that "pays only half of the blood cost" is
just another way of writing "burns half as much blood as
the card costs", which would be an equivalent (though
different) effect to the Path-type effects. Or is there
another reason I'm missing that makes it different from
Path's cost-payment-reduction?
Josh
path of burnt blood
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No. Per before. Ankara says you pay half the cost.
> have thought that "pays only half of the blood cost" is
> just another way of writing "burns half as much blood as
> the card costs", which would be an equivalent (though
> different) effect to the Path-type effects. Or is there
> another reason I'm missing that makes it different from
> Path's cost-payment-reduction?
Path: "burn 1 less blood when playing cards that require [Discipline]".
Q: One less than what?
A: Than the amount of blood the vampire would pay otherwise.
Ankara: The vampire pays half the "cost".
(Not "burn half as much as he would have otherwise").
So figure the cost of the card. (Neither Ankara nor the Path affect
this).
With the cost figured, the vampire pays half the cost.
And the vampire burns 1 less blood.
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"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
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> Path: "burn 1 less blood when playing cards that require [Discipline]".
>
> Q: One less than what?
> A: Than the amount of blood the vampire would pay otherwise.
>
> Ankara: The vampire pays half the "cost".
> (Not "burn half as much as he would have otherwise").
>
> So figure the cost of the card. (Neither Ankara nor the Path affect
> this).
> With the cost figured, the vampire pays half the cost.
> And the vampire burns 1 less blood.
OK, thanks. I was thinking that "pay half the cost" was
the same as "pay half of the amount of blood a vampire
would normally burn to play the card" based on my intuition
of what "cost" meant. My confusion is clarified. :-)
Josh
now i've got it