[lsj] advanced, uncontrolled and banishment

1b.) Jeremy MacNeil (jm) is in play, and I've got an advanced jm (jm+) in my uncontrolled region, that's brainwashed. Can I still 'merge' jm+ with jm? (my guess is yes). 1a.) What if the jm+ had one blood counter on it... That is, can I still merge jm+ with one blood counter and a brainwash(text of brainwash reads: "No transfers can be used to move blood to or from that vampire" Merging would remove the blood counter off of that vampire, and it requires transfers) (my guess, yes) 2.) JM is in play, JM+ is merged onto JM. JM merged (JMm) is now banished. What's the condition of the vampire in my uncontrolled region? (ie: what is its capacity, what is its clan, and sect) (my answer would be, that its based off of the jm+ copy) 3.) JM is in play. JM gets a skill card (say serpentis). JM+ is merged onto JM. Does JMm have the serpentis skill card? (my guess yes) 4.) JM in play, becomes the Prince of Rome with Praxis Seizure: Rome. JM's capacity is increased by one. JM+ is merged onto JM. Do we now ignore the capacity increase of the base and the title of the base? (my guess, yes) 5.) JM in play, JM+ merged. JMm gets banished. Then JMm gets Memory's Fading Glimpse. What's up? (My guess, you discard (place in the ash heap) the copy of JM and JM+ gets placed on the bottom of your crypt). That's all for now. ~SV

vermillian wrote: > 1b.) Jeremy MacNeil (jm) is in play, and I've got an advanced jm (jm+) > in my uncontrolled region, that's brainwashed. Can I still 'merge' jm+ > with jm? (my guess is yes). Yes. Brainwash only prevents using transfers to move counters to or from the target. > 1a.) What if the jm+ had one blood counter on it... That is, can I > still merge jm+ with one blood counter and a brainwash(text of > brainwash reads: "No transfers can be used to move blood to or from > that vampire" Merging would remove the blood counter off of that > vampire, and it requires transfers) (my guess, yes) Yes. Merging is not using transfers to move blood to or from the target. > 2.) JM is in play, JM+ is merged onto JM. JM merged (JMm) is now > banished. What's the condition of the vampire in my uncontrolled > region? (ie: what is its capacity, what is its clan, and sect) (my > answer would be, that its based off of the jm+ copy) Correct. > 3.) JM is in play. JM gets a skill card (say serpentis). JM+ is merged > onto JM. Does JMm have the serpentis skill card? (my guess yes) Yes. The cards on the controlled vampire remain. > 4.) JM in play, becomes the Prince of Rome with Praxis Seizure: Rome. > JM's capacity is increased by one. JM+ is merged onto JM. Do we now > ignore the capacity increase of the base and the title of the base? > (my guess, yes) The capacity increase has always only applied while the vampire met the clan requirement and held the title. If he doesn't (by merge, by CI, losing the title, or whatever) then the capacity bonus doesn't apply. Since he's no longer a prince, he loses the capacity bonus. > 5.) JM in play, JM+ merged. JMm gets banished. Then JMm gets Memory's > Fading Glimpse. What's up? (My guess, you discard (place in the ash > heap) the copy of JM and JM+ gets placed on the bottom of your crypt). Move both copies to the bottom of your crypt (advanced copy on the bottom). They are then treated as separate vampire cards once again. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3EA52E05...@white-wolf.com>... > vermillian wrote: > > 3.) JM is in play. JM gets a skill card (say serpentis). JM+ is merged > > onto JM. Does JMm have the serpentis skill card? (my guess yes) > > Yes. The cards on the controlled vampire remain. Related question: Both Advanced cards we've seen so far have identical discipline sets to the base version, but let's say there is an Advanced Smudge (S+) with inf cel. If the base Smudge gets two skill cards giving him Superior Celerity, and is then merged with S+, what happens to the skill cards? My guess: the cards stay, the discipline-giving effect of one of the cards is redundant, but the capacity-increasing effect remain in effect from both cards. Flux

Flux wrote: > Both Advanced cards we've seen so far have identical discipline sets > to the base version, but let's say there is an Advanced Smudge (S+) > with inf cel. If the base Smudge gets two skill cards giving him > Superior Celerity, and is then merged with S+, what happens to the > skill cards? My guess: the cards stay, the discipline-giving effect of > one of the cards is redundant, but the capacity-increasing effect > remain in effect from both cards. Correct. See also Smudge with two Potence Master: Discipline cards and a Hand of Conrad. [ quoted text not captured ]

>> 5.) JM in play, JM+ merged. JMm gets banished. Then JMm gets Memory's >> Fading Glimpse. What's up? (My guess, you discard (place in the ash >> heap) the copy of JM and JM+ gets placed on the bottom of your crypt). > >Move both copies to the bottom of your crypt (advanced copy on the >bottom). They are then treated as separate vampire cards once again. > Who gets to decide in what order they are placed at the bottom of the crypt? The owner of the crypt? The acting Methusaleh? Halcyan 2

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LSJ wrote: > Halcyan 2 wrote: > >>>5.) JM in play, JM+ merged. JMm gets banished. Then JMm gets Memory's > >>>Fading Glimpse. What's up? (My guess, you discard (place in the ash > >>>heap) the copy of JM and JM+ gets placed on the bottom of your crypt). > >> > >>Move both copies to the bottom of your crypt (advanced copy on the > >>bottom). They are then treated as separate vampire cards once again. > >> > > Who gets to decide in what order they are placed at the bottom of the crypt? > > The owner of the crypt? The acting Methusaleh? > > No one. See above. > Why? What is the appropriate card text? Just wondering. chris -- chris shorb <www.vtesinla.org> (A V:TES site) prince of torrance, california *** Into the abyss I'll fall - the eye of Horus Into the eyes of the night - watching me go Green is the cat's eye that glows - in this temple Enter the risen Osiris - risen again - Dickinson

Chris Shorb wrote: > LSJ wrote: >>>>Move both copies to the bottom of your crypt (advanced copy on the >>>>bottom). They are then treated as separate vampire cards once again. >>>> >>>Who gets to decide in what order they are placed at the bottom of the crypt? >>>The owner of the crypt? The acting Methusaleh? >> >>No one. See above. >> > Why? What is the appropriate card text? Just wondering. The appropriate text is the ruling above. The advanced card is on top of the base card when face up => the advanced vampire is underneath the base vampire when face down. [ quoted text not captured ]

Chris Shorb <chr...@vtesinla.org> wrote in message news:<3EAB60CA...@vtesinla.org>... > LSJ wrote: > > > Halcyan 2 wrote: > > >>>5.) JM in play, JM+ merged. JMm gets banished. Then JMm gets Memory's > > >>>Fading Glimpse. What's up? (My guess, you discard (place in the ash > > >>>heap) the copy of JM and JM+ gets placed on the bottom of your crypt). > > >> > > >>Move both copies to the bottom of your crypt (advanced copy on the > > >>bottom). They are then treated as separate vampire cards once again. > > >> > > > Who gets to decide in what order they are placed at the bottom of the crypt? > > > The owner of the crypt? The acting Methusaleh? > > > > No one. See above. > > > > Why? What is the appropriate card text? Just wondering. well, when you made the combined vampire, you put the advanced one on top of the other vampire. now, if you turn the vampire over as a single unit (pick the whole lot up, turn it over as a unit, put it down), the advanced one will be on the bottom. this face-down pair of cards is then placed on the bottom of your crypt. the merge mechanic states that the two cards behave as one vampire. makes sense to me. salem.

Yes, it makes sense. But there is no ruling thereof. But LSJ has now cleared that up. thanks, chris salem wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] -- [ quoted text not captured ]