JYHAD votes

I am confused about votes. Except for a vote on a bloodhunt after a diablerie, which any Methuselah can call, a minion plays a vote card as a minion action (tapping the minion, I assume). The vote card gives a vote, the Methuselehs themselves do not vote, and any ready (even if tapped) title holders have 1, 2, or 3 extra votes (assuming uncontested title and vampire). All Methuselahs can play additional political cards solely for their votes. So far I think I understand. Do all ready vampires vote with extra votes to title holders or do only title holders vote their 1, 2, or 3 votes? Does this voting tap a vampire? Since a ready title holder can vote even if tapped it would seem not. Are these extra vote cards just put down by the Methuselah or must they be put on an appropriate vampire? If so do they tap the vampire? I assume that at this point we are talking about political action cards that call votes that are now used for one vote each. What about a reaction card like Dread Gaze, which requires presence. Is that only played on a vampire with presence, must he be untapped, does it tap him? Can an action modifier like Bewitching Oration be played by a vampire other than the one which called the vote (or by any vampire at all if in a bloodhunt vote... even not belonging to the caller of the vote)? When is the Charming Lobby action card played? I assume that as an action card it taps the vampire, who must have presence. Does that mean another vampire must call the next vote? I find that I am not the only person confused, and would think that many others would appreciate both answers and a few examples of votes, perhaps using the cards mentioned. Thanks, Marvant Duhon

marvant mark duhon (mduhon@copper.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote: : I am confused about votes. Except for a vote on a bloodhunt after : a diablerie, which any Methuselah can call, a minion plays a vote card as a : minion action (tapping the minion, I assume). The vote card gives a vote, : the Methuselehs themselves do not vote, and any ready (even if tapped) title : holders have 1, 2, or 3 extra votes (assuming uncontested title and vampire). : All Methuselahs can play additional political cards solely for their votes. : So far I think I understand. So far so good. : Do all ready vampires vote with extra votes to title holders or do : only title holders vote their 1, 2, or 3 votes? I'm not exactly sure what you mean here, but... Only title holders may cast votes, and how many votes they may cast is dictated by what title they own. : Does this voting tap a vampire? Since a ready title holder can vote : even if tapped it would seem not. No voting does not tap the vampire (unless specified by some speacialty of the card). All ready vampires can vote, vampires are ready if they are face up (uncontested) in a methusalah's controlled area. If a vampire is in a methusalah's controlled area it is ready (regardless of their tapped/untapped condition. : Are these extra vote cards just put down by the Methuselah or must : they be put on an appropriate vampire? If so do they tap the vampire? I : assume that at this point we are talking about political action cards that Yes, extra political cards can be played for extra votes. They are not played "by" any minion. The political cards can be played in an auction frame of bidding until no methusalah desires to play anymore. Keep in mind that during this political auction no one can draw another card from their library (well mores specifically you can not replace political action cards in your hand until the vote is done I'm not sure about reaction and action modifier cards that effect voting). The only exception to this is the first political action card (the one being voted on) since this is a legitamate action card. : call votes that are now used for one vote each. What about a reaction card : like Dread Gaze, which requires presence. Is that only played on a vampire : with presence, must he be untapped, does it tap him? Can an action modifier Yes, political play is no different then normal play when it comes to observing disciplines. Reaction card rules are the same too. You must have the discipline. You must be untapped to play a reaction card. It can not be your turn (you must be reacting to an action by another methusalah). And unless specified by the reaction card, does not tap the reacting vampire. : like Bewitching Oration be played by a vampire other than the one which : called the vote (or by any vampire at all if in a bloodhunt vote... even not : belonging to the caller of the vote)? Again, the same rules that apply to normal action modifiers apply here. Only the minion doing the action can use an action modifier. No other minion, not even one controlled by the same methusalah, can use the action modifier. During bloodhunt, their is no minion action, so there can be no action modifier played. : When is the Charming Lobby action card played? I assume that as an : action card it taps the vampire, who must have presence. Does that mean : another vampire must call the next vote? Sorry, I'm not familiar with that card. If you can write me to let me know what is says (verbatim) I'd be more than willing to give my opinion on it. : I find that I am not the only person confused, and would think that : many others would appreciate both answers and a few examples of votes, : perhaps using the cards mentioned. : Thanks, : Marvant Duhon I'm afraid I don't have time to come up with examples. What might work better would be for you yo come up with some examples and the way you think the play would progress. Either post it to get a response (and trust me you'll get one) or mail it to me and I'd be happy to point out any problems I can see. I hope this helped. -- /===================================================\ | Paul Jensen | | pjensen@atla.com | | Chicago, IL | +---------------------------------------------------+ | Good advertising space for rent | | (It must be pretty good YOU just read it) | \===================================================/

marvant mark duhon <mduhon@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote: > I am confused about votes. Except for a vote on a bloodhunt after >a diablerie, which any Methuselah can call, a minion plays a vote card as a >minion action (tapping the minion, I assume). The vote card gives a vote, >the Methuselehs themselves do not vote, and any ready (even if tapped) title >holders have 1, 2, or 3 extra votes (assuming uncontested title and vampire). >All Methuselahs can play additional political cards solely for their votes. >So far I think I understand. Close. Except for bloodhunt votes, votes are called by a minion taking an action. Typically this is done with an action card such as a political action or Charming Lobby, but occasionally the vote will be provided by a card in play, such as burning an Anarch Revolt. > Do all ready vampires vote with extra votes to title holders or do >only title holders vote their 1, 2, or 3 votes? I'm not sure what you're asking. Any titled, ready vampire can use its votes if it wishes to. A vampire does not have to be titled to use a card such as Dread Gaze, though. > Does this voting tap a vampire?... No. > Are these extra vote cards just put down by the Methuselah or must >they be put on an appropriate vampire?... Burning a political card for a vote is done by the player, not by a vampire. You may do so even if you have no ready vampires. >What about a reaction card >like Dread Gaze, which requires presence. Is that only played on a vampire >with presence, must he be untapped, does it tap him? Can an action modifier >like Bewitching Oration be played by a vampire other than the one which >called the vote (or by any vampire at all if in a bloodhunt vote... even not >belonging to the caller of the vote)? Reaction cards can only be used by untapped, ready vampires with the appropriate discipline. Action modifiers can only be used by the acting vampire unless the card says otherwise, which Bewitching Oration does not. Neither can be used during a bloodhunt vote, since no action started the vote. Using a reaction card doesn't tap the reacting vampire. > When is the Charming Lobby action card played? I assume that as an >action card it taps the vampire, who must have presence. Does that mean >another vampire must call the next vote? There is some dispute on exactly how Charming Lobby is supposed to work. The way I think it works is that a vampire with presence plays Charming Lobby, and if that is not blocked, then a vote is taken. If that vote passes, then the next vote to be called passes automatically. Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

mduhon@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (marvant mark duhon) writes: > I am confused about votes. Except for a vote on a bloodhunt after >a diablerie, which any Methuselah can call, a minion plays a vote card as a >minion action (tapping the minion, I assume). The vote card gives a vote, >the Methuselehs themselves do not vote, and any ready (even if tapped) title >holders have 1, 2, or 3 extra votes (assuming uncontested title and vampire). >All Methuselahs can play additional political cards solely for their votes. >So far I think I understand. > Do all ready vampires vote with extra votes to title holders or do >only title holders vote their 1, 2, or 3 votes? Confused on what you're asking here... > Does this voting tap a vampire? Since a ready title holder can vote >even if tapped it would seem not. No. Voting does not tap a vampire (there is a card which _does_ tap any vampire that votes...) > Are these extra vote cards just put down by the Methuselah or must Yep... >they be put on an appropriate vampire? If so do they tap the vampire? I >assume that at this point we are talking about political action cards that >call votes that are now used for one vote each. What about a reaction card >like Dread Gaze, which requires presence. Is that only played on a vampire >with presence, must he be untapped, does it tap him? Can an action modifier Yes, Yes, and No. >like Bewitching Oration be played by a vampire other than the one which >called the vote (or by any vampire at all if in a bloodhunt vote... even not >belonging to the caller of the vote)? Action Modifiers can only be played with the acting vampire (the one calling the vote). > When is the Charming Lobby action card played? I assume that as an >action card it taps the vampire, who must have presence. Does that mean >another vampire must call the next vote? Yep, Nope. (Assumption... CL somehow affects the voting process) > I find that I am not the only person confused, and would think that >many others would appreciate both answers and a few examples of votes, >perhaps using the cards mentioned. > Thanks, > Marvant Duhon Hopefully this clears at least some of it.... -- Andre Kostur akostur@helix.net