Well, I was looking of advanced vampires and was thinking what
vampires are really worth of merging. Below are some comments that are
based to my experience or beliefs.
-Antero
1.Ramona
She is small, and can be used to move blood to and fro, so she can be
merged (but I would not waste Master slots to Gifts of Experience when
both of her versions are in a crypt).
2.Tusk, The Talebearer
A sad minion. Never worth playing :(
3.Alfred Benezri
A merged ability give quite good voting potential on a merged vampire.
Worth of merging (at least in a Storyline).
4.Quentin King III
His special helps older vampires come out faster, but as it is, the 4
transfers and one pool to merge him could be used to put 4 blood to,
say, Fleurdumal. Merged Q.K.III could do some princely
dodge/additional strike/Coma/Amaranth tricks though.
5.Jeremy MacNeil
One of the two vampires that can be Anarchs w/o action or master card.
I have not tried to play him as anarch yet, but will do so if I have
time...
6.Lucita
With all the Ministries flying aroud soon, it could be beneficial to
merge her, to save her from humiliation as some Wah-Young Chen (agh.
Wah Chun-Yuen it was) gets +3 intercept against her...
7.Lazarus
Too big, I think.
8.Tegyrius, Vizier
Definitely worth of merging. Assmaite Justicar...I would not have
believed this before CE...
9.Lambach
Old version is better and has better picture. No merge to him...
10.Marcus Vitel
Same comments as to Lambach.
11.Sela
The new version looks 20 years older (responsibility gives grey hair?)
and merging does not give any essential benefits to her.
12.Sebastian Goulet
Woo-hoo. War Ghouls, Shambling Hordes and Abyssal Hunters look after
his pasty white posterior? Merge him and take the nuisances to you!
Wonderful merged ability.
13.Yong-Sun, Harmonist
The newer player stock seems to be greatly irritated that his
non-advanced version was not in a !Nosferatu starter. I cetainly do
know why, cos merged Young-Sung with Rutor's Hand is quite sick.
14.Jessica
Both of her versions work just fine by themselves, I think.
15.Goratrix
Dunno. I would either play normal or advanced, but as the merging
changes his sect, it could give some problems in deckbuilding.
16.Dominique
Look Comments about Mr. MacNeil. Besides, her picture is nice.
Bonus question: how is Szechenyi Jolan spelled? I would not want to
refer her only as "Mother of Horrors" when I play her...
nom...@jippii.fi (AL) wrote in message
> 9.Lambach
> Old version is better and has better picture. No merge to him...
well, I've been playing with a Lambach[[] with the eye of Hazimel
deck...
it's more the abilities of each version that makes it worth it than
the merged ability (be able to fetch the eye and +1 strength + burn a
blood to make the damage aggravated)
not tournament material I admit (too fragile... decks that rely on one
vamp... no to mention a merged vampire with a specific equipment... to
do most of the work usually are) but much fun in casual games.
my own comment of the 3 adv that I tryed:
> 1.Ramona
> She is small, and can be used to move blood to and fro, so she can be
> merged (but I would not waste Master slots to Gifts of Experience when
> both of her versions are in a crypt).
A friend of me did a gang deck with her and her adv. and the gangrel
anti of 8 which can give blood to uncontrol....
it was amazing
> 5.Jeremy MacNeil
> One of the two vampires that can be Anarchs w/o action or master card.
> I have not tried to play him as anarch yet, but will do so if I have
> time...
really good in an anarch dech with the multi skill cards
> 7.Lazarus
> Too big, I think.
but fun....
You just cry when he is burn by a protect thin own....and someone did
this to me !!!
> 8.Tegyrius, Vizier
> Definitely worth of merging. Assmaite Justicar...I would not have
> believed this before CE...
I tryed it , but i still want to see a good winning deck with
assamite!
The deck that I tryed suck
If you have good decks with him please post them
nom...@jippii.fi (AL) wrote in message news:<ea6a080a.0311...@posting.google.com>...
> Well, I was looking of advanced vampires and was thinking what
> vampires are really worth of merging. Below are some comments that are
> based to my experience or beliefs.
Advanced vampires have a great bonus: you can put them in your crypt
with their basic version and you don't have to worry about getting 2
copies of the vampire in your crypt. It's often just a safe way of
doubling up on vampires.
Jessica merged kicks ass btw.
-Bram Vink
On 17 Nov 2003 22:53:43 -0800, nom...@jippii.fi (AL) wrote:
>Well, I was looking of advanced vampires and was thinking what
>vampires are really worth of merging. Below are some comments that are
>based to my experience or beliefs.
>
>-Antero
>
>
>1.Ramona
>She is small, and can be used to move blood to and fro, so she can be
>merged (but I would not waste Master slots to Gifts of Experience when
>both of her versions are in a crypt).
I would argue that smaller vampires are better to Gift of Experience
because then they're not out of commission for a turn after you tap
them in your master phase. And since Ramona is one of the better
merged vampires GIft of Experience is ideal for her.
"cure" <cu...@caramail.com> wrote
>
> > 7.Lazarus
> > Too big, I think.
>
> but fun....
> You just cry when he is burn by a protect thin own....and someone did
> this to me !!!
You should have laughed instead, since Lazarus is not a legal target of
Protect Thine Own. He's a Cammie.
Cheers,
WES
cure expounded:
> > 7.Lazarus
> > Too big, I think.
>
> but fun....
> You just cry when he is burn by a protect thin own....and someone did
> this to me !!!
He is a cam primogen. Can't be PTOd.
"Wes" <gh...@NYETSPAMmnsi.net> wrote in message news:<bpcuu...@enews1.newsguy.com>...
[ quoted text not captured ]
Most likely he means Lazverinus, the Thrall of Lambach.
Regards,
Patrick
Columbus, OH
Al wrote:
> 1.Ramona
> She is small, and can be used to move blood to and fro, so she can be
> merged (but I would not waste Master slots to Gifts of Experience when
> both of her versions are in a crypt).
I really like merged Ramona. But then I really like Ramona. And
Advanced Ramona. I use both in my all Protean Gangrel bleed deck, and
I'm always happy to get them merged.
>
> 2.Tusk, The Talebearer
> A sad minion. Never worth playing :(
As much as I badmouth poor Tusk, like the next guy, I'm currently
playing a weenie presence bleed/Nosferatu OBF overlords deck that uses
Tusk and Advanced Tusk--the crypt is all 1/2/3's with pre and then
Agripina, Grendel, Tusk, and Advanced Tusk. I only need the OBF, so
his lack of disciplines isn't an issue, I use lots of Nosferatu cards
(Kindred Intel; Patagia), so it is good to have the Nosferatu, and the
merged combo of the two of them is actually pretty good--getting to
see your next card is a surprisingly useful ability, and getting to
burn off uneeded obf cards (like extra disguised weapons)is handy.
Tusk isn't, like, super cool or anything, but Tusk and Merged Tusk
together make a pretty good combo.
the nuisances to you!
> 13.Yong-Sun, Harmonist
> The newer player stock seems to be greatly irritated that his
> non-advanced version was not in a !Nosferatu starter. I cetainly do
> know why, cos merged Young-Sung with Rutor's Hand is quite sick.
I'm irritated that his non advanced version was not in the !Nosferatu
starter--I wanted to build a deck with 6 regular/3 advanced Yong Sun,
but I only own 3 original Yong Suns. And now that he has an advanced
version but no reprinted original version, it is going to be hell
trying to get originals.
-Peter
Peter D Bakija wrote:
> I'm irritated that his non advanced version was not in the !Nosferatu
> starter--I wanted to build a deck with 6 regular/3 advanced Yong Sun,
> but I only own 3 original Yong Suns. And now that he has an advanced
> version but no reprinted original version, it is going to be hell
> trying to get originals.
Until the promo reprints of base Yong-Sun come out.
See update on http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/Preview_BlackHand.html
--
LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc.
Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar:
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/
cu...@caramail.com (cure) wrote:
> > 8.Tegyrius, Vizier
> > Definitely worth of merging. Assmaite Justicar...I would not have
> > believed this before CE...
>
> I tryed it , but i still want to see a good winning deck with
> assamite!
> The deck that I tryed suck
> If you have good decks with him please post them
As I wrote that Tegyrius is worth merging, it was my personal opinion
because although Assamite Justicar deck hard to come by, it is very
nice to play with Assamites when:
1. you have no fear that your main star is PTO'd.
2. your vampires can bounce
3. your main star cannot be the victim of Kiss of Ra
4. you can play Parity Shift and other nice cards
...and so on...except if Tegyrius falls, you are as good as dead :(
As it is, I'm afraid that the my Tegyrius decks fall into the fun
category. I usually keep no decklists, but the last Teg Deck had
AUS/CEL/FOR intercept/combat, with some P/J actions/reactions/votes,
and token princes Volker and Rake. It did OK, but I assume that if
*really good and competitive* Tegyrius decks exist, it could be found
from The Path of Blood (www.thepathofblood.com).
-Antero
On 18 Nov 2003, AL wrote:
> As it is, I'm afraid that the my Tegyrius decks fall into the fun
> category.
I haven't tried one yet, but from what I've seen that seems to be the
case.
> I usually keep no decklists, but the last Teg Deck had
> AUS/CEL/FOR intercept/combat, with some P/J actions/reactions/votes,
> and token princes Volker and Rake.
Rake? What is Tegyrius doing hanging around with that little twit? He's
much better off in the company of Ira Rivers (AUS/CEL instead of aus/cel
for 1 extra pool). He could also enjoy the company of Madame Guil, if
one is feeling spendy.
Maybe I'll make that deck. It'll be a good foil for Colin's Aziz +
Assamite Barons deck.
Matt Morgan
"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
news:3FBA56EA...@white-wolf.com...
> Peter D Bakija wrote:
> > I'm irritated that his non advanced version was not in the
!Nosferatu
> > starter--I wanted to build a deck with 6 regular/3 advanced Yong
Sun,
> > but I only own 3 original Yong Suns. And now that he has an advanced
> > version but no reprinted original version, it is going to be hell
> > trying to get originals.
>
> Until the promo reprints of base Yong-Sun come out.
> See update on http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/Preview_BlackHand.html
I'm really glad to hear that. Really. Really glad.
Free the misprint three! ;-)
Thanks Scott, and White Wolf, for doing this. Can you comment on the
situation at all, or are you not allowed to? Was the printer obliged to
"fix" their mistakes, or is that not exactly what happened?
Josh
and advanced hannibal too! yay!
Joshua Duffin wrote:
> "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message>>See update on http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/Preview_BlackHand.html> Thanks Scott, and White Wolf, for doing this. Can you comment on the> situation at all, or are you not allowed to? Was the printer obliged to
> "fix" their mistakes, or is that not exactly what happened?
WW is printing these as promos in the "extra" slots of some of the
precons that are about to be reprinted anyhow (the slots that are
routinely used for promos and the like).
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>
> 4.Quentin King III
> His special helps older vampires come out faster, but as it is, the 4
> transfers and one pool to merge him could be used to put 4 blood to,
> say, Fleurdumal. Merged Q.K.III could do some princely
> dodge/additional strike/Coma/Amaranth tricks though.
>
[]] If Quentin is ready during your untap phase you may move 1 blood from
the blood bank to a ready older vampire. Once each action Quentin can burn 1
blood for +1 bleed.
His special only works on ready older vamps. So when you have Fleurdumal and
QKmerged you put a Blood Doll on Fleurdumal and you're rollin. I built the
deck you mentioned above, works pretty well, Archons,
dodge/add/coma/amaranth, some DEM bleed.
Oscar Garza
Prince of College Station, Tx
The Crazy Aggie
"Joshua Duffin" wrote :
> "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote :> > Until the promo reprints of base Yong-Sun come out.
> > See update on http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/Preview_BlackHand.html
>
> I'm really glad to hear that. Really. Really glad.
>
> Free the misprint three! ;-)
>
> Thanks Scott, and White Wolf, for doing this.
I concur - many thanks!
--heslin
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:29:14 -0500, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com>
scrawled:
>Peter D Bakija wrote:>> I'm irritated that his non advanced version was not in the !Nosferatu
>> starter--I wanted to build a deck with 6 regular/3 advanced Yong Sun,
>> but I only own 3 original Yong Suns. And now that he has an advanced
>> version but no reprinted original version, it is going to be hell
>> trying to get originals.>
>Until the promo reprints of base Yong-Sun come out.
>See update on http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/Preview_BlackHand.html
"Update:The two vampires, Jessica and Hannibal, who were replaced by
their base counterparts in the booster assortment, as well as
Yong-Sun, who was replaced by his advanced counterpart in the
Nosferatu antitribu starter, will be printed as promos (without the
Black Hand expansion symbol). These promos will be distributed in the
usual manner (at tournaments and conventions) and arrangements are
being made to implement an exchange program via postal mail (and
SASE). Details on the exchage program will be given when the exchange
program is implemented."
Why an exchange program? i can see promos being sensible, but
redemption program? cost a lot of personpower to fix something you
never really promised to the players anyway....?
I guess the effort won't really be worth it for most people (Because
of the SSAE requirement), so perhaps it won't really chew up any
significant peoplepower at all...
salem
domain:canberra http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/vtes.htm
salem <salem_ch...@yahoo.com> writes:
> Why an exchange program? i can see promos being sensible, but
> redemption program? cost a lot of personpower to fix something you
> never really promised to the players anyway....?
Don't speak for me, I want my advanced Hannibal and basic Yong Sun. :-P
Maybe I'll have a cold the next time promos are being handed out. I may
have a gig. Or a rehearsal.
The last time I attended a tournament and got promo cards, I had to travel
170 kilometers for it, because I couldn't attend my home town's tournament.
Don't slam White Wolf for being *nice* to us, for Cthulhu's sake!
--
hg@ It's better to open your mouth and appear stupid,
iki.fi than to hold it shut and keep thinking you know it all.
On 19 Nov 2003 10:59:10 +0200, h...@iki.fi.remove.these.invalid (Janne
Hägglund) scrawled:
>salem <salem_ch...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>> Why an exchange program? i can see promos being sensible, but
>> redemption program? cost a lot of personpower to fix something you
>> never really promised to the players anyway....?>
>
> Don't speak for me, I want my advanced Hannibal and basic Yong Sun. :-P
ok, i won't. :)
> Maybe I'll have a cold the next time promos are being handed out. I may
>have a gig. Or a rehearsal.
priorities! vtes first, life second!
> The last time I attended a tournament and got promo cards, I had to travel
>170 kilometers for it, because I couldn't attend my home town's tournament.
good work. i do that every couple of months (well, 290km, but still a
solid road trip) myself. I like to support the tournament of other
cities. that way they are encouraged to come and support my
tournaments.
> Don't slam White Wolf for being *nice* to us, for Cthulhu's sake!
I wasn't slamming them, i was just curious. They have a limited number
of volunteer staff who have a limited amount of time to spend on vtes
related stuff.
I'd rather see more effort into getting prerelease packages to princes
on time than have them spend time stuffing envelopes.
If they can do both, though, great!
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LSJ wrote:
> WW is printing these as promos in the "extra" slots of some of the
> precons that are about to be reprinted anyhow (the slots that are
> routinely used for promos and the like).
Yaa! You guys rock! I'm very happy with the SASE mail in plan, myself.
Thanks,
-Peter
pd...@lightlink.com (Peter D Bakija) wrote:
> > 2.Tusk, The Talebearer>
> As much as I badmouth poor Tusk, like the next guy, I'm currently
> playing a weenie presence bleed/Nosferatu OBF overlords deck that uses
> Tusk and Advanced Tusk--the crypt is all 1/2/3's with pre and then
> Agripina, Grendel, Tusk, and Advanced Tusk. I only need the OBF, so
> his lack of disciplines isn't an issue, I use lots of Nosferatu cards
> (Kindred Intel; Patagia), so it is good to have the Nosferatu, and the
> merged combo of the two of them is actually pretty good--getting to
> see your next card is a surprisingly useful ability, and getting to
> burn off uneeded obf cards (like extra disguised weapons)is handy.
> Tusk isn't, like, super cool or anything, but Tusk and Merged Tusk
> together make a pretty good combo.
> the nuisances to you!
>
OK, maybe I was too rough with him, when I said that he is never worth
playing, but: it takes 7 pool and 10 transfers to get him out merged
(compare to, say, Murat who comes into play with 7 pool and 7
transfers and is a prince). If he only had some good merged ability,
like []]: Prince or even Anarch Baron of St. Petersburg, he could see
more action...
-Antero