Week of Nightmares/Jyhad Anniversary

Would people who are going to be at the GenCon US Week of Nightmares be interested in playing some Jyhad-set-only games (or perhaps even some kind of tournament?) on Monday August 16th (as I understand it, this is the 10th anniversary of the original release of Jyhad)? For a couple of "going beyond just card set restriction" ideas, perhaps we could also... 1. Play all cards as originally printed. (Temptation of Greater Power/Hostile Takeover/5th Tradition/Fame/Drawing out the Beast/Embrace/Form of Mist/Misdirection/Monocle of Clarity/Pulled Fangs/Wake abuse returns! Blood Rage requires Fortitude! Concealed Weapon requires Obfuscate!) OK, so this might not be such a good idea after all. Unless we wanted to combine it with a short banned list (Monocle of Clarity at least, perhaps Fame as well). 2. Only allow cards whose text has *not* been changed since the Jyhad printing. By the letter of this "law" a fairly astounding number of cards would be prohibited, Deflection, Telepathic Misdirection, Bonding, Conditioning, and Threats among them. Also Hunting Grounds and discipline masters. :-) 3. Never mind all that and just play Jyhad-only but with all current card texts. Josh i'm the instigator/ twisted instigator

On Thu, 5 Aug 2004, Joshua Duffin wrote: > Would people who are going to be at the GenCon US Week of Nightmares be > interested in playing some Jyhad-set-only games (or perhaps even some > kind of tournament?) on Monday August 16th (as I understand it, this is > the 10th anniversary of the original release of Jyhad)? You talking draft or constructed? > For a couple of "going beyond just card set restriction" ideas, perhaps > we could also... > > 1. Play all cards as originally printed. (Temptation of Greater > Power/Hostile Takeover/5th Tradition/Fame/Drawing out the > Beast/Embrace/Form of Mist/Misdirection/Monocle of Clarity/Pulled > Fangs/Wake abuse returns! Blood Rage requires Fortitude! Concealed > Weapon requires Obfuscate!) OK, so this might not be such a good idea > after all. Unless we wanted to combine it with a short banned list > (Monocle of Clarity at least, perhaps Fame as well). Could be fun. I don't think Fame would be all that broken in draft. Day Operation is a rare. Will someone be so lucky as to manage to draft several copies for an old-style Fame loop deck? > 2. Only allow cards whose text has *not* been changed since the Jyhad > printing. By the letter of this "law" a fairly astounding number of > cards would be prohibited, Deflection, Telepathic Misdirection, Bonding, > Conditioning, and Threats among them. Also Hunting Grounds and > discipline masters. :-) Uh...so what cards could we actually play with? All the "2 hand damage" vampires would be similarly verboten. > 3. Never mind all that and just play Jyhad-only but with all current > card texts. Yeah, this too. Matt Morgan

> Uh...so what cards could we actually play with? All the "2 hand damage" > vampires would be similarly verboten. > Actually, wouldn't ALL the vampires be verboten?

"Joshua Duffin" <duff...@bls.gov> wrote in message news:<2nfn5c...@uni-berlin.de>... > Would people who are going to be at the GenCon US Week of Nightmares be > interested in playing some Jyhad-set-only games (or perhaps even some > kind of tournament?) on Monday August 16th (as I understand it, this is > the 10th anniversary of the original release of Jyhad)? Hell yes! If it's a draft, I'm in - it would be an incredible hoot. I THINK I even have unopened boxes of Jyhad starters and boosters (one each) that I bring if we wanted to make this a draft. Let me know if I should pack em up. Darby

[ quoted text not captured ] Good point. None of the Jyhad vampires were printed with the term "Camarilla." Guess I'll show up with 90 Anarch Revolts. Matt Morgan

"Matthew T. Morgan" <far...@eris.io.com> wrote in message news:Pine.LNX.4.44.040806...@eris.io.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Might want to pad with a few Powerbase Chicagos if you do. Or even Ascendances. Otherwise, if everyone just plays AR every turn at a five player table, player 5 sweeps. (I suppose there could be a strategy component there, then, to deciding when to play the ARs. Might actually be a fun exercise, for small values of fun). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"Matthew T. Morgan" <far...@eris.io.com> wrote in message news:Pine.LNX.4.44.040806...@eris.io.com... [ quoted text not captured ] You could also play with Ascendance. :-) Yeah, the "nothing that's been altered" might not work so well. "Nothing that's been functionally altered" might work better but would add a whole other layer of complication (in terms of deciding/publicizing what has been "functionally" altered). Josh igo, get me a brain!

"Matthew T. Morgan" <far...@fnord.io.com> wrote in message news:Pine.LNX.4.44.04080...@fnord.io.com... > On Thu, 5 Aug 2004, Joshua Duffin wrote: > > > Would people who are going to be at the GenCon US Week of Nightmares be > > interested in playing some Jyhad-set-only games (or perhaps even some > > kind of tournament?) on Monday August 16th (as I understand it, this is > > the 10th anniversary of the original release of Jyhad)? > > You talking draft or constructed? I was thinking constructed, but of course draft would also be great. Maybe even greater. It would, as you point out, make the "card text as written" idea far more balanced. :-) (I could probably still supply a substantial amount of sealed Jyhad boosters for drafting, perhaps not enough for a really large drafting turnout, but I don't think Nate's boxes are likely to totally run out this weekend.) > > For a couple of "going beyond just card set restriction" ideas, perhaps > > we could also... > > > > 1. Play all cards as originally printed. (Temptation of Greater > > Power/Hostile Takeover/5th Tradition/Fame/Drawing out the > > Beast/Embrace/Form of Mist/Misdirection/Monocle of Clarity/Pulled > > Fangs/Wake abuse returns! Blood Rage requires Fortitude! Concealed > > Weapon requires Obfuscate!) OK, so this might not be such a good idea > > after all. Unless we wanted to combine it with a short banned list > > (Monocle of Clarity at least, perhaps Fame as well). > > Could be fun. I don't think Fame would be all that broken in draft. Day > Operation is a rare. Will someone be so lucky as to manage to draft > several copies for an old-style Fame loop deck? Yeah, in draft I think this would be fine. In constructed there might be substantial brokenness issues, but if it was a short tournament that might not be too much of a problem? > > 2. Only allow cards whose text has *not* been changed since the Jyhad > > printing. By the letter of this "law" a fairly astounding number of > > cards would be prohibited, Deflection, Telepathic Misdirection, Bonding, > > Conditioning, and Threats among them. Also Hunting Grounds and > > discipline masters. :-) > > Uh...so what cards could we actually play with? All the "2 hand damage" > vampires would be similarly verboten. Sigh, I thought this would be kind of a funny format (constructed, it would probably suck too much for draft) since a whole lot of the best cards have had their card text altered at least some. But it sounds like it wouldn't actually work without a whole long list of interpretation of what is and isn't a "functional" change to the various cards, given the vampire problem. > > 3. Never mind all that and just play Jyhad-only but with all current > > card texts. > > Yeah, this too. This, of course, is always an easy option. :-) Constructed could be interesting this way (at least for the 3 or 4 games required) since most people haven't played in the "nothing but 1994" format since Dark Sovereigns came out. And I'm pretty sure draft would also be fun; the original set should be a pretty good draft set, all things considered. Josh yeah tonight we're gonna party like it's nineteen ninety-four

"Darby Keeney" <dke...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:40acdae.04080...@posting.google.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Sweet! Bring 'em. I think I will probably have access to at least 1, maybe 2 boxes of boosters as well. I think constructed Jyhad-only could be pretty entertaining (at least for a day) as well, but I may be alone in that. ;-) Josh hi ho the dairy-o

Joshua Duffin <duff...@bls.gov> wrote: > > 3. Never mind all that and just play Jyhad-only but with all current > card texts. Works for us, so should work for you as well :) Though our group is still learning new texts about some of the more obscure (less used) cards. I wish I could afford to fly over to participate. //Doc.

"Joshua Duffin" <duff...@bls.gov> wrote in message news:<2nfn5c...@uni-berlin.de>... > Would people who are going to be at the GenCon US Week of Nightmares be > interested in playing some Jyhad-set-only games (or perhaps even some > kind of tournament?) on Monday August 16th (as I understand it, this is > the 10th anniversary of the original release of Jyhad)? Josh, I'm of course up for this. I think draft would really be the best format. I may be able to round up some unopened boosters, but I can't promise if I'll have room on the bike to bring them :) Jon

Joshua Duffin <duff...@bls.gov> wrote: > > I was thinking constructed, but of course draft would also be great. > Maybe even greater. It would, as you point out, make the "card text as > written" idea far more balanced. :-) (I could probably still supply a > substantial amount of sealed Jyhad boosters for drafting, perhaps not > enough for a really large drafting turnout, but I don't think Nate's > boxes are likely to totally run out this weekend.) Michigan draft works fine with 1 box of starters and 1 box of boosters. You can easily accomodate 20 players (if you manage to get 4 extra boosters) handing out 1 starter and 2 boosters to each. >> Could be fun. I don't think Fame would be all that broken in draft. Fame is fine the old way. > Sovereigns came out. And I'm pretty sure draft would also be fun; the > original set should be a pretty good draft set, all things considered. I find it is great. Does tend to favor people who draw Wakes, Blood Dolls, Minion Taps and Anarch Revolt. Or just Governs and Conditioning. But with the Michigan Draft (Restricted Trade) version you can make your deck better by trading with the people you are about to play against . We had 2 trading rounds in our 2+1-round tournament, and everyone had great fun. My 2 Anarch Revolts (both traded in the drafting!) won me 2 games (1 prelim and the final) We had 20 starters and 72 boosters available, we handed out 1 starter and 2 boosters. We had people trade before both preliminary rounds and we handed finalist one extra booster before the final. We used boosters as Edge, and the person who took the GW could keep it as a prize. We handed out more boosters as prizes to the top3 players and a booster to the last player in the tournament. Jyhad is great for Sealed Deck. //Doc.

"The Doctor" <D...@freemail.nl> wrote in message news:4114d9f9$0$42417$e4fe...@news.xs4all.nl... > Michigan draft works fine with 1 box of starters and 1 box of boosters. > You can easily accomodate 20 players (if you manage to get 4 extra > boosters) handing out 1 starter and 2 boosters to each. Hmm, I suppose, but I really like booster draft better than Michigan draft. Nothing against Michigan, I just like draft vs sealed + trading. :-) Booster draft seems to work perfectly well with 6 Jyhad boosters per player (as we did it in Glen Burnie MD this past Saturday); I suspect it would even work fine with 5 per player... at 6 it seemed like the decks were more "constructed" and/or contained more cards than they "need" to - I think Jyhad turns out to be so much more focused (with 7 clans and 10 disciplines) than "modern" sets that you don't even need quite as many cards to make a reasonable draft deck out of. (5 Jyhad boosters = 95 cards vs the typical-for-me 11 WW boosters = 99 cards; 6 Jyhad boosters = 114 cards which seems to be perhaps excessive.) > >> Could be fun. I don't think Fame would be all that broken in draft. > > Fame is fine the old way. In draft? I expect it is, sure. In constructed, I wouldn't want to see Fame/Day Operation back in action. :-) > I find it is great. Does tend to favor people who draw Wakes, Blood Dolls, > Minion Taps and Anarch Revolt. Or just Governs and Conditioning. Of course. True in any draft environment, though, and since pretty much all the power cards in Jyhad are commons, hopefully people don't end up suffering from too much disparity in how many of the best cards they can grab. Josh comes in second in draft

"Joshua Duffin" <duff...@bls.gov> wrote in message news:<2nhevn...@uni-berlin.de>... > > Sweet! Bring 'em. I think I will probably have access to at least 1, > maybe 2 boxes of boosters as well. > Found 1 box of boosters, no starters :( They're packed and headed out tomorrow - I'm visiting relatives for the week before WoN. D.

"Joshua Duffin" <duff...@bls.gov> wrote in message news:<2nfn5c...@uni-berlin.de>... > Would people who are going to be at the GenCon US Week of Nightmares be > interested in playing some Jyhad-set-only games (or perhaps even some > kind of tournament?) on Monday August 16th (as I understand it, this is > the 10th anniversary of the original release of Jyhad)? Most certainly! > 3. Never mind all that and just play Jyhad-only but with all current > card texts. Yeah, I'd be for this option. As to the format: If you want to run a Constructed game, my cards are fairly tied up and I'm not bringing my huge box of Jyhad to Indianapolis. So some advanced warning would be nice. If you want to run a Draft, I'm in. If you want to run Sealed, I'm in, and I'm really excited. I've played in only one sealed Jyhad tourney, and it was one of the most fun tourneys I've ever played in. No matter what, though, I'll see you at the Week of Nightmares! -- Brian

> Would people who are going to be at the GenCon US Week of Nightmares be > interested in playing some Jyhad-set-only games (or perhaps even some > kind of tournament?) on Monday August 16th (as I understand it, this is > the 10th anniversary of the original release of Jyhad)? Most certainly! > 3. Never mind all that and just play Jyhad-only but with all current > card texts. I think this is the only non-headache way to do it. As to the format: If you want to run a Constructed tournament, I'd play, but my cards are fairly tied up in decks (and I'm not bringing my box of Jyhad) and so some advanced warning would help greatly (if you decide to do this one). If you want to run a Draft, I'm in. If you want to run Sealed, I'm VERY in. One of the best tournaments I've ever played in was a Sealed. No matter what, I'll be at the WoN, and if you decide to do something Jyhad-only, I'll surely play. -- Brian P.S. I promise to have fun, too!

"Brian" <firstco...@aol.com> wrote in message news:80bafd85.04081...@posting.google.com... > "Joshua Duffin" <duff...@bls.gov> wrote in message news:<2nfn5c...@uni-berlin.de>... > > 3. Never mind all that and just play Jyhad-only but with all current > > card texts. > > Yeah, I'd be for this option. On reflection, it seems like by far the easiest/simplest to do, since presumably everyone is pretty well used to the modern card texts nowadays. :-) > As to the format: > > If you want to run a Constructed game, my cards are fairly tied up and > I'm not bringing my huge box of Jyhad to Indianapolis. So some > advanced warning would be nice. Hmm. I think it is almost certain that there will be a draft, since we seem to have some cards available. There could also be some constructed action, but it might not be a tournament (or if it is, it might not be on the same day). I would say, bring at least one Jyhad-only constructed deck if you have any interest in the format, or if not, don't. :-) > If you want to run a Draft, I'm in. > > If you want to run Sealed, I'm in, and I'm really excited. I've > played in only one sealed Jyhad tourney, and it was one of the most > fun tourneys I've ever played in. > > No matter what, though, I'll see you at the Week of Nightmares! Cool! I have preferred draft to sealed in most of the limited-format games I've played. But I'm open to doing sealed instead/too, if people would rather. see you soon! Josh getting an early start on the nightmares

Joshua Duffin <duff...@bls.gov> wrote: > > Cool! I have preferred draft to sealed in most of the limited-format > games I've played. But I'm open to doing sealed instead/too, if people > would rather. We have played several Limited formats in our lpaygroup, either as a local tournament or just with 5 players joining together in someone's house. We like to buy some booster boxes on eBay occasionally to have this sort of fun. We've found Restricted Trade (MIchigan Draft) to be the most fun of the options at hand. We played this sort of sealed deck games way before we even knew it was an actual official tournament format. It takes up a little bit more time, so perhaps not quite perfect for a tournament environment, but definetly good fun. Both newbies and oldbies have a lot of fun in this format. With the newbies trading the rares sometimes to be able to make the constructed decks after the tournament, and the oldbies jumping on the good commons so they can win THIS game. Nyway, it's a highly intereactive environment you get from this, and the limited cardset tends to balance things out quite nicely in most cases. It can be slightly frustrating to get the wrong vamps for your cards and vice versa in any sealed deck environment though, so we sometimes use a little addition to the Michigan format in which you can trade vamps as well. You put 4 vamps up for trade besides the 15 cards and you have to use 2 of them in your deck. //Doc.