Eternal Vigilance Question

Hi all, During a game yesterday, someone had Eternal Vigilance on Lazverinus and Lazverinus used the EV to untap and block and action. The combat went on and the acting minion played the Obtenebration Strike:Combat Ends Continue the action card. Can Lazverinus use the Eternal Vigilance again to untap and block again? The card text doesn't explicitly state that the EV can only be used once per action and since it isn't a reaction card, it doesn't fall under the rule of only being able to use it once per action. So can a vampire Eternally Vigilate more than once during the same action? Card Text: Eternal Vigilance Card Type: Action Cost: 1 Blood Requires a ready Archbishop, Priscus, or Cardinal. +1 stealth. Put this card on the acting vampire. During an action, the Sabbat vampire with this card can pay a blood to untap and attempt to block. Burn this card if this Sabbat vampire goes to torpor. Thanks! Mari Malkavian Admin Assistant for Portla...@yahoogroups.com Chatelaine of Portland, OR

Mari wrote: > During a game yesterday, someone had Eternal Vigilance on Lazverinus and > Lazverinus used the EV to untap and block and action. The combat went on and > the acting minion played the Obtenebration Strike:Combat Ends Continue the action card. > Can Lazverinus use the Eternal Vigilance again to untap and block again? No. It uses the "During <X>, do <Y>" template, which limits it to once per action. Since this is the same action, he cannot untap again with EV. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

-- "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3B1BFB1B...@white-wolf.com... > Mari wrote: > > During a game yesterday, someone had Eternal Vigilance on Lazverinus and > > Lazverinus used the EV to untap and block and action. The combat went on and > > the acting minion played the Obtenebration Strike:Combat Ends Continue the action card. > > Can Lazverinus use the Eternal Vigilance again to untap and block again? > > No. It uses the "During <X>, do <Y>" template, which limits it to once per action. > Since this is the same action, he cannot untap again with EV. Does that include playing Majesty in a combat and untapping afterwards etc as well then? Because doesn't that fit the template you describe too?

In message <9fgvon$cok$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>, Roger Carhult <rogc...@student.luth.se> writes >Does that include playing Majesty in a combat and untapping afterwards etc >as well then? Because doesn't that fit the template you describe too? One copy of the "During <X>, do Y" text allows you to do <X> once during any given instance of Y. If you have more than one card to play, or more than one card to use, each one of those can count separately. However, I am at a loss understanding where Majesty comes in. Its card text is not of the form "During <X>, do <Y>." -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D "You reinstall Dial-Up Networking. The Elf screams and becomes EBD690ECD7A1F an icon. *** CONGRATULATIONS! *** You completed the BT Internet B457CA213D7E6 Helpdesk training course in 15 out of a possible 9000 moves." 68C3695D623D5D

"James Coupe" <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote in message news:4$gOy$B8KCH...@obeah.demon.co.uk... > In message <9fgvon$cok$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>, Roger Carhult > <rogc...@student.luth.se> writes > >Does that include playing Majesty in a combat and untapping afterwards etc > >as well then? Because doesn't that fit the template you describe too? > > One copy of the "During <X>, do Y" text allows you to do <X> once during > any given instance of Y. > > If you have more than one card to play, or more than one card to use, > each one of those can count separately. > > However, I am at a loss understanding where Majesty comes in. Its card > text is not of the form "During <X>, do <Y>." If X would be combat for example and then you S:CE and someoen does TT and you S:CE again..? :) But ok, got the one copy thing now.

"Roger Carhult" <rogc...@student.luth.se> wrote > Does that include playing Majesty in a combat and untapping afterwards etc > as well then? Because doesn't that fit the template you describe too? Hey, as long as we're talking Majesty... If the acting vampire plays Majesty, can the blocking vampire also use Majesty at superior to untap? 6.4.5 of Sabbat War: Combat Ends ...This effect ends combat immediately. ...and ends combat before other strikes can be resolved... - Jason Bell

-- "Jason Bell" <Jason...@mail.com> wrote in message news:bqWS6.799$e34.6...@typhoon.southeast.rr.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Yes, the opposing minion always gets to strike as well (even with potence crads etc) it's just that combat ends before damage is dealt.

[ quoted text not captured ] Yes. "The effects of the strikes from both minions are resolved simultaneously" [6.4.3] [ quoted text not captured ]

they resolve simultaneously, i believe -- Oscar Garza Prince of College Station Tx The Crazy Aggie "Jason Bell" <Jason...@mail.com> wrote in message news:bqWS6.799$e34.6...@typhoon.southeast.rr.com... > [ quoted text not captured ]

sorry but i just wonder : if lazve untaps and fails to block : he is untapped and since the shadow body don't give any stealth : is there another block opportunity and if yes can he block again ? thanks ! david

"arwall" <arw...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:3c5617c7.01060...@posting.google.com... [ quoted text not captured ] How does he fail to block if there's no stealth? And how is Shadow Body played if he failed to block and there's no combat?

In message <9fhbd7$puo$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>, Roger Carhult <rogc...@student.luth.se> writes >If X would be combat for example and then you S:CE and someoen does TT and >you S:CE again..? Irrelevant. It must *say* "During <X>, do <Y>" [ quoted text not captured ]

"Roger Carhult" <rogc...@student.luth.se> wrote in message news:<9fi8sk$mns$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>... [ quoted text not captured ] again sorry ! i was wondering about not the eternal vigilance but about forced awakening. so after the combat and the shadow body: can lazverinus attempts another time to block ? dav

"arwall" <arw...@my-deja.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c5617c7.01060...@posting.google.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Of course ! you can react and attempt to block until the action is concluded. So if you wake/force to block and the opponent plays sup shadow body to continue the action, just tell him you're still blocking.

hey!! Now i'm confused with how to resolve a S:CE strike!! can mr LSJ do a full explanation LSJ: > Yes. "The effects of the strikes from both minions are resolved simultaneously" > [6.4.3] but > > 6.4.5 of Sabbat War: > > Combat Ends > > ...This effect ends combat immediately. > > ...and ends combat before other strikes can be resolved... > so ? blocking minion can or cannot use a strike side effect as untaping with magesty -- TzimisceLord, http://myvtes.free.fr/ The Sabbat in Paris forum http://www.ifrance.com/_forum/?ForumName=sabbat

"Sylvain Gogel" <syl...@cognition.fr> wrote in message news:F3rT6.18189$aB5.1...@tengri.easynet.fr... > hey!! > Now i'm confused with how to resolve a S:CE strike!! > can mr LSJ do a full explanation > > LSJ: > > Yes. "The effects of the strikes from both minions are resolved > simultaneously" > > [6.4.3] > > but > > > 6.4.5 of Sabbat War: > > > Combat Ends > > > ...This effect ends combat immediately. > > > ...and ends combat before other strikes can be resolved... > > > > so ? > blocking minion can or cannot use a strike side effect as untaping with > magesty > I don't see what's confusing about LSJ's answer. Combat ends resolves before any OTHER strike. That means simultaneous with other combat end strikes. The side effects of both cards (eg untapping, getting 1 damage,..) also resolve simultaneously. Jeroen

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