About Rutor's Hand

There is some think i need to know abour the effect of this card. "Beginning with your next turn, the vampire gets one additional untap during each of your minion phases for the remainder of the game. A vampire may only have one Rutor's Hand" The vampire can untap one more time during his minion phase ? or The vampire must untap one more time during his minion phase ? Because : a vampire whick have a Rutor's Hand bleed and is blocked. After the combat he have no more blood. Can he say : i choose to not untap ( for exmple because an other player wait him during the hunt ). Can he do this ? Thank you Magus

[ quoted text not captured ] He doesn't have to untap immediately. But he does have to untap before the end of the minion phase. -- LSJ (vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep (remove spam trap to reply) Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

Meth A has Etrius, and played Rutor's Hand on turn 5. Meth B played temptation on turn 6, and on turn 7 tempts Etrius. Does Meth B get the untap effect as well? I'm slightly confused because I believe "beginning with your next turn" refers to Meth A, regardless of who currently controls Etrius or the Rutor's Hand. Correct? Therefore, does the phrase, "each of your minion phases" also always refer to Meth A, or does that refer to the current controller of Etrius or the Rutor's Hand? Temptation aside, if Rutor's Hand was controlled somehow by Meth B, then would Etrius untap on B's turn? And would the phrase "beginning with your next turn" apply to B's next turn from the time he got control of the card, from the time the card was put into play, or would it still refer to A? Thanks, Ira

ira...@gmail.com wrote: > Meth A has Etrius, and played Rutor's Hand on turn 5. Meth B played > temptation on turn 6, and on turn 7 tempts Etrius. Does Meth B get the > untap effect as well? More plainly: After Rutor's is in effect, Etrius is stolen. Does he still retain the untap effect? Yes. Before Rutor's is in effect, Etrius is stolen. Can he untap immediately (during the new controller's turn-in-progress)? No. Rutor's won't kick in until "your next turn", meaning that you have to control him at the start of your turn. Once his controller starts his turn, Rutor's kicks in. Once in effect, it is always in effect. > I'm slightly confused because I believe "beginning with your next turn" > refers to Meth A, regardless of who currently controls Etrius or the > Rutor's Hand. Correct? No. "You" is the controller, and the controller of a minion card is the controller of the minion it is on. > Therefore, does the phrase, "each of your minion phases" also always > refer to Meth A, or does that refer to the current controller of Etrius > or the Rutor's Hand? The controller. > Temptation aside, if Rutor's Hand was controlled somehow by Meth B, > then would Etrius untap on B's turn? And would the phrase "beginning > with your next turn" apply to B's next turn from the time he got > control of the card, from the time the card was put into play, or would > it still refer to A? If Rutor's is traded by, say, Succubus Club, then sure, you'd get some odd situations. "You" in Rutor's's text refers to the controller of the Rutor's. [ quoted text not captured ]

Since this has come up, and we had a question about it over on the Path of Blood, I figured I'd ask it here. A vampire who has an "activated" Rutor's Hand (ie, he performed the action last turn or earlier) must untap during his controller's minion phase. Are there any restrictions on when he can untap during the minion phase? Can he, for example, untap before a Domain Challenge he called resolves to avoid dealing a point of pool damage to his controller?

[ quoted text not captured ] AFAIK all effects that do NOT state "cannot be used during blabla" can be used at any time you want, EXCEPT for the timing window in between playing and cancelling a card (e.g tap barrens to draw a D.I is not possible). So the answer is yes ;-) -- johannes walch