LSJ: Madness Network

Hi, after playing a lot of time with my weenie Malkav, I didn't notice this doubt. Now with and elder malkavian i wonder if i can do the following: Madness network is in the game. player 1.(Me) bleed player 2. any stuff, 2nd tradition, and after he finish minion phase. ME: bleed player 3 any stuff, 2nd tradition and Me: bleed and again, and again. Is it possible: Thanks, Enrique

"Dr. Enrique Montaño" <take...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:988915c.01110...@posting.google.com... > Hi, after playing a lot of time with my weenie Malkav, I didn't notice > this doubt. Now with and elder malkavian i wonder if i can do the > following: > Madness network is in the game. > player 1.(Me) bleed > player 2. any stuff, 2nd tradition, and after he finish minion phase. > ME: bleed You may only play the 2nd Tradition if you are attempting to block. If you block successfully and play Obedience, you will be untapped and able to act with that minion. If you are unsuccessful in your block attempt, ie they are 3 or more stealth, then you are still untapped and may act with that minion after his last minion phase action. > player 3 any stuff, 2nd tradition and Me: bleed You may only attempt to block actions that are directed against you, or actions that your prey or predator attempt that are undirected. Unless you first play Eagle's Sight (or they are acting to burn your Madness Network) you cannot play 2nd Tradition to attempt to block the actions of your grand prey. > and again, and again. > Is it possible: Yes and no. See above. > > Thanks, > Enrique Carpe noctem. Lasombra http://www.TheLasombra.com -- Posted from rr-163-54-196.atl.mediaone.net [24.163.54.196] via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG

[ quoted text not captured ] Correct. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"The Lasombra" <thela...@hotmail.com> wrote in message: > > player 3 any stuff, 2nd tradition and Me: bleed > > You may only attempt to block actions that are directed against you, > or actions that your prey or predator attempt that are undirected. > Unless you first play Eagle's Sight (or they are acting to burn your > Madness Network) you cannot play 2nd Tradition to attempt to block > the actions of your grand prey. Ha, remember that you can't play reaction cards(Eagle Sight) with a tapped vampire. To do correctly you have to play forced/WwEF followed by eagle sight to be able to block, followed by second tradition for intercept followed by obedience. Thats 4 cards so you can bleed every turn...ouch. -- Aaron The Nosferatu Stuff

>Ha, remember that you can't play reaction cards(Eagle Sight) with a tapped >vampire. To do correctly you have to play forced/WwEF followed by eagle >sight to be able to block, followed by second tradition for intercept >followed by obedience. Thats 4 cards so you can bleed every turn...ouch. Unless you want to do the whole "Anneke Clan Impersonates into Malkavian" thing... Halcyan 2

"The Nosferatu Stuff" <roans...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:hUZE7.114$8T.2...@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net... [ quoted text not captured ] Hmm question is, may you untap with the 2nd Tradition after that? Since WWEF says you play reaction cards as if untapped. Then you shouldn't be able to untap wit 2nd Trad since you're already considered to be untapped at that moment? If not, then what happens if someone plays The Sleeping Mind and then you do this combo?? Could reacting vampire choose to not use the utnap part and only the intercept? Roger

Roger Carhult wrote: > > "The Nosferatu Stuff" <roans...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:hUZE7.114$8T.2...@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net... > > > > "The Lasombra" <thela...@hotmail.com> wrote in message: > > > > player 3 any stuff, 2nd tradition and Me: bleed > > > > > > You may only attempt to block actions that are directed against you, > > > or actions that your prey or predator attempt that are undirected. > > > Unless you first play Eagle's Sight (or they are acting to burn your > > > Madness Network) you cannot play 2nd Tradition to attempt to block > > > the actions of your grand prey. > > > > Ha, remember that you can't play reaction cards(Eagle Sight) with a tapped > > vampire. To do correctly you have to play forced/WwEF followed by eagle > > sight to be able to block, followed by second tradition for intercept > > followed by obedience. Thats 4 cards so you can bleed every turn...ouch. > > Hmm question is, may you untap with the 2nd Tradition after that? Since WWEF Yes. > says you play reaction cards as if untapped. Then you shouldn't be able to says you "may" play reaction cards as if untapped. You are free to play them as if tapped if you like. > untap wit 2nd Trad since you're already considered to be untapped at that > moment? If not, then what happens if someone plays The Sleeping Mind and > then you do this combo?? Could reacting vampire choose to not use the utnap > part and only the intercept? In general, yes, because of official card text to exactly that effect. [ quoted text not captured ]

Hi again, But I can bleed 3 times each turn! At my turn! On my prey's turn, 2nd trad, obedience, bleed. And on my predators turn, 2nd trad, etc, right????? Enrique

In message <988915c.01110...@posting.google.com>, Dr. Enrique Montaño <take...@yahoo.com> writes: >Hi again, >But I can bleed 3 times each turn! You can bleed once per turn, assuming No Repeat Actions is in effect. >On my prey's turn, 2nd trad, obedience, bleed. This is a separate turn. >And on my predators turn, 2nd trad, etc, right????? This is a separate turn. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D EBD690ECD7A1F If I had a dick, I'd go get laid. We can do the B457CA213D7E6 next best thing. Let's kill people. Oh, not *you*. 68C3695D623D5D

> > > Ha, remember that you can't play reaction cards(Eagle Sight) with a tapped > > > vampire. To do correctly you have to play forced/WwEF followed by eagle > > > sight to be able to block, followed by second tradition for intercept > > > followed by obedience. Thats 4 cards so you can bleed every turn...ouch. > > > > Hmm question is, may you untap with the 2nd Tradition after that? Since WWEF > > Yes. > > > says you play reaction cards as if untapped. Then you shouldn't be able to > > says you "may" play reaction cards as if untapped. You are free to play them > as if tapped if you like. So you can play Eagle's Sight saying you do it as if you were untapped, and then when you play 2nd Trad you state you play *that* card as if tapped? > > untap wit 2nd Trad since you're already considered to be untapped at that > > moment? If not, then what happens if someone plays The Sleeping Mind and > > then you do this combo?? Could reacting vampire choose to not use the untap > > part and only the intercept? > > In general, yes, because of official card text to exactly that effect. So you can't use use the untap effect then but must state you only use the intercept part, right? (just want to be sure). What if I after allthis do Shilmulo Deception with Francois Villon who has a Blessing of Chaos on him? :) May I untap then since The Sleeping Mind won't have an effect on him?

> So you can't use use the untap effect then but must state you only use the > intercept part, right? (just want to be sure). What if I after allthis do > Shilmulo Deception with Francois Villon who has a Blessing of Chaos on him? > :) May I untap then since The Sleeping Mind won't have an effect on him? Also I wonder, does Francois inherit all cards played by the first vampire (i.e. the WWEF, 2nd Trad etc)? Roger

In message <9s3adt$10r4es$1...@ID-104455.news.dfncis.de>, Roger Carhult <rogc...@student.luth.se> writes: >Also I wonder, does Francois inherit all cards played by the first vampire >(i.e. the WWEF, 2nd Trad etc)? No. Card text says nothing to that effect, at all. [ quoted text not captured ]

Roger Carhult wrote: > > > untap wit 2nd Trad since you're already considered to be untapped at > that > > > moment? If not, then what happens if someone plays The Sleeping Mind and > > > then you do this combo?? Could reacting vampire choose to not use the > untap > > > part and only the intercept? > > > > In general, yes, because of official card text to exactly that effect. > > So you can't use use the untap effect then but must state you only use the > intercept part, right? (just want to be sure). What if I after allthis do If you're untapped, you don't need the untap effect (and must need the intercept). If you're tapped, you need not need the intercept. Again, this is per the official card text available online. > Shilmulo Deception with Francois Villon who has a Blessing of Chaos on him? > :) May I untap then since The Sleeping Mind won't have an effect on him? Sleeping Mind will affect him just fine, since it has already been played. [ quoted text not captured ]

"James Coupe" <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote in message news:qXHO+nAG...@gratiano.zephyr.org.uk... > In message <988915c.01110...@posting.google.com>, Dr. Enrique > Montaño <take...@yahoo.com> writes: > >Hi again, > >But I can bleed 3 times each turn! > > You can bleed once per turn, assuming No Repeat Actions is in effect. > > >On my prey's turn, 2nd trad, obedience, bleed. > > This is a separate turn. > > >And on my predators turn, 2nd trad, etc, right????? > > This is a separate turn. Obviously he was refering to a 'turn' as a full rotation of the table. Why didn't you get that? What are you trying to correct here James? You're being a meany head! [ quoted text not captured ]

In message <kucF7.152$8T.3...@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net>, The Nosferatu Stuff <roans...@yahoo.com> writes: >Obviously he was refering to a 'turn' as a full rotation of the table. Why >didn't you get that? What are you trying to correct here James? That he's being incorrect. Turn has a defined meaning, which is somewhat different to that of each player having their own turn before it gets back to him. [ quoted text not captured ]

"Roger Carhult" <rogc...@student.luth.se> wrote in message news:9s20pb$10nqtf$1...@ID-104455.news.dfncis.de... [ quoted text not captured ] You don't need to be tapped, under the current card text for 2nd Trad, which is: "Requires ready Prince or Justicar. +2 intercept. Also usable by a tapped Prince or Justicar, even if intercept is not yet needed, to untap and attempt to block with +2 intercept."

"Dr. Enrique Montaño" <take...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:988915c.01110...@posting.google.com... [ quoted text not captured ] I've got a deck that takes advantage of exactly that. Impatience by GreySeer Use Homonculi to bleed as often as possible in other people's turns using Madness Network. Archon investigation is OOT this means that I can bleed for as much as I like during my prey's turn! It's usually a good idea to lay low at the start, let people spend a little pool and then clean out the whole table before they know what hit em. 2nd Trads & Rotschreck to defend the Madness Network. Flesh of Marble for when you have aleady Rotschrecked since your last turn. This deck could probably use some minor tweaks ( like replace Zebulon with someone else and ditch the AUS masters ). Crypt(12) 2x Zöe 3, AUS cel obf, Malkavian, 2x Victoria 5, AUS cel obf, Malkavian, 2x Zebulon 5, aus dom OBF pro, Malkavian, 3x Gilbert Duane 7, AUS DOM OBF, Malkavian, Prince 3x Greger Anderssen 7, AUS dom OBF pro, Malkavian, Prince Library(72) Master(14) 4x Madness Network 2x Auspex 3x Rotschreck 2x Blood Doll 3x Protean Action(17) 5x Fifth Tradition: Hospitality, The 2x Graverobbing 5x Revelations 5x Pulse of the Canaille Action Modifier(12) 6x Faceless Night 6x Lost in Crowds Action Modifier/Combat(4) 4x Swallowed by the Night Combat(7) 4x Claws of the Dead 3x Flesh of Marble Equipment(2) 2x Ivory Bow Political Action(3) 3x Malkavian Justicar Reaction(6) 3x Second Tradition: Domain, The 3x Enhanced Senses Retainer(7) 7x Homunculus

>> Hi, after playing a lot of time with my weenie Malkav, I didn't notice >> this doubt. Now with and elder malkavian i wonder if i can do the >> following: >> Madness network is in the game. >> player 1.(Me) bleed >> player 2. any stuff, 2nd tradition, and after he finish minion phase. >> ME: bleed >> player 3 any stuff, 2nd tradition and Me: bleed >> >> and again, and again. >> Is it possible: To counter some of it, all your prey has to do is avoid undirected actions. As long as his actions are directed at his prey, you can't attempt to block (unless you have the Wake *and* the Eagle's Sight before you use the 2nd Tradition). At the very least it'll keep him from getting bled during his turn (allowing his Archon Investigation to be useful). Alternatively, such a deck already has many moving parts. Destroy the Madness Network and the strategy is screwed. =) Halcyan 2