I hope I am proven wrong, but I think the Montreal NAC will have similar
numbers to the Los Angeles NAC last year, i.e. pretty low.
It seems to me that the highest number of NAC were either at the Atlanta
one held near WW's headquarters, or at GenCon the year before.
The rotating idea works in Europe, but for the US, I think a steady
location will work better. Finding a venue is easier when you can lock
in a specific weekend each year. Folks can make travel plans earlier,
and perhaps get better deals.
It does however put a particular onus on the local volunteers (in the
case of Atlanta - Lasombra, Tatus, and others); but by the same token,
perhaps WW staff could take up more of the load. Or perhaps out-of-town
princes could be the "hosts" of the event, and as a reward get a card
specifically for their town, or something. As hosts, they would judge
events, including Week of Nightmare events, and perhaps come up with the
events schedule for WoN as well. And then as a reward, they would get a
shweet card, like Powerbase Columbus; Crusade Berkeley; Fee Stake Boston
(oh, too late), etc.
Thoughts? Am I crazy, do I not see things correctly?
best -
chris
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, librarian wrote:
> I hope I am proven wrong, but I think the Montreal NAC will have similar
> numbers to the Los Angeles NAC last year, i.e. pretty low.
I don't know why you'd think that. Montreal has the largest playgroup in
North America. Also, rumor has it we'll see some more European players
(because it isn't so far) as well as some Mexicans (they don't need
visas). Who knows who else may turn up?
> It seems to me that the highest number of NAC were either at the Atlanta one
> held near WW's headquarters, or at GenCon the year before.
Or, conversely, the lowest turnout for the NAC was last year, in LA.
Matt Morgan
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It seems to me that the biggest factor in determining attendance at
the NAC is cost to attend. The higher the cost, the lower the
attendance. I think a secondary factor is how many qualified players
there are. It would be interesting to know how many qualified players
there are this year, last year, and the year before. Robyn/Oscar, do
you have that data, and if so, can you share it?
I think an unchanging weekend, or a fixed city, isn't a key factor in
determining attendance, assuming the location and date are announced
enough in advance. I'd aim for 1 year in advance. I also think that
organizing the event each year would be too much burden for a single
group of people, and it would also be unfair to players who are far
away from that city.
The cost to attend the Montreal NAC is a lot higher for me (since I
live in San Francisco), but perhaps a lot lower for more people (who
live in Montreal, or the Northeast.)
Ira
Ira wrote:
> It seems to me that the biggest factor in determining attendance at
> the NAC is cost to attend.
I'm very certain this is true. A big factor with respect to that is
the demographics of the North American players. We're basically
loaded onto the eastern half of North America. Most players had to
cross plains, mountains, and desert in order to get to the NAC in LA.
Lowering the travel cost would be a big step towards increasing
attendance. It may be the case that keeping the NAC in the middle (or
slightly east of middle) of North America is the right approach for
maintaining a high attendance. However, there's also the sentiment
that by moving the NAC around, it gives every region a chance to
attend - it's one of the big reasons why we went with that system.
I've also had some players tell me that they have to make the choice
between attending GenCon and attending the NAC, and they've been
choosing GenCon.
I'm certainly open to suggestions as to where we think the NAC
should be in future years. We could keep moving from city to city.
We could go back to GenCon. Do we tell Seattle to just suck it up and
deal while we try to maximize attendance, or do we try to put the NAC
in the Pacific Northwest sometime? Do we have it in Mexico City?
Here's another factor: I haven't really gotten many people
volunteering to host the 2009 NAC. Ira's offered to have it in San
Francisco. Kevin's mulled over having it in Las Vegas. I've thought
about having it in Boston. I'm not sure if it's true in Ira's case,
but Kevin and I are really concerned about the cost of the event. I'm
rather pessimistic about how much it would cost to have the NAC
weekend plus the Week of Nightmares in the Boston area. Speaking of
which, as fun and as great a tradition as the Week of Nightmares is,
it's definitely a burden on the organizers to accomodate it - it might
be a reason why I've gotten few volunteers. I certainly don't expect
to have free run of The Ram at GenCon if we were to move back.
Thoughts? Ideas? Comments? Volunteers? :)
- Ben Peal, US National Coordinator
Oh, I did look into piggy-backing the NAC onto the International
Camarilla Conclave, and the bidding process for a host city all by
itself is enough to scare me away. I don't think we want to be
anywhere near that, and I don't think they want us anywhere near them,
either. :)
- Ben Peal
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Vegas baby!!!
Vegas is cheap. Kevin recently found a "bar" with a party room that
could easily host the NAC for some crazy cheap rate. Plenty of
hotels, flights shouldn't be too bad. Volunteers are a problem.
Entertainment...not a problem.
gNat
Of course, I personally am all in favor if the NAC moving back to
GenCon..... Though, I'm very biased by the fact I live in
Indianapolis. Keep in mind that I have never attended a NAC, and
though I'm qualified this year I will not be attending because a)the
cost of travel and b)my daughter's 1st birthday is on the day of the
NAC. For me, I just want to experience the NAC. The best of the best
show up to play, and we should all want the chance to compete in that
environment. A mobile NAC may generate lower attendence over all, but
there maybe an increase in new faces. Which is why I kind of like the
NAC rotation system, even though had they kept the status quo I
probably could have attended.
As a side note, if it's problematic having the WoN along with the NAC
how about just seperating the events?
Ben, I'll gladly volunteer for as much as I can help with at GenCon
and/or other events you may need help with.
On Jul 16, 6:44 am, devil_in_the_pale_moon_li...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> As a side note, if it's problematic having the WoN along with the NAC
> how about just seperating the events?
An interesting idea but the WON is generally low attendance at the
start
of the week and builds as people trickle in for the NAC on the
weekend.
A WON without a NAC is just a series of tournaments that I suspect
would
not draw the top players... could be wrong though.
Most people decide they are going to the NAC weekend or not on some
basis,
be it cost or whatever. Generally then to get more bang for their buck
most
attempt to take in as much of the week of nightmares as they can
manage, given vacation time, accommodation costs, etc. I do not think
I've
seen anyone other than locals come out for the WON and then disappear
(in
terms of playing)on the weekend other than Oscar. :)
John P
Winnipeg
Rabid WON fan
On Jul 16, 9:52 am, "John P." <jtpat...@mts.net> wrote:
> On Jul 16, 6:44 am, devil_in_the_pale_moon_li...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > As a side note, if it's problematic having the WoN along with the NAC
> > how about just seperating the events?
>
> An interesting idea but the WON is generally low attendance at the
> start
> of the week and builds as people trickle in for the NAC on the
> weekend.
Last year's WON constructed tournaments: Monday 16, Tues 16, Wed 24,
Thurs 29.
2006: Mon 13, Tues 25, Wed 25, Thurs 45
As John notes, it starts smaller and adds folks as people show up
later in the week.
> A WON without a NAC is just a series of tournaments that I suspect
> would
> not draw the top players... could be wrong though.
You can't fully 'separate' the WON; WON exists in large part because
some of the people travelling can and want to make the trip longer
than just attending for the weekend. Not all the people at the WON
play every tourney; they often skip a given event to do touristy stuff
in the host city, visit non-VTES friends in the area, etc.
If you said 'WON will be a different set of events held on another
date', there would still be people showing up early to the NAC and
wanting to set up tournaments earlier in the week, even if it meant
running around finding an impromptu locale, I'd bet.
> John P
> Winnipeg
> Rabid WON fan
-John Flournoy
John Flournoy wrote:
> If you said 'WON will be a different set of events held on another
> date', there would still be people showing up early to the NAC and
> wanting to set up tournaments earlier in the week, even if it meant
> running around finding an impromptu locale, I'd bet.
isn't that pretty much how the WON first started, anyway? a bunch of
people who happened to be in the same hotel for the NAC just started
playing vtes a week early...?
--
salem
(replace 'hotmail' with 'gmail' to email)
On Jul 15, 2:44 pm, benp...@gmail.com wrote:
> Here's another factor: I haven't really gotten many people
> volunteering to host the 2009 NAC. Ira's offered to have it in San
> Francisco.
To be clear, I inquired about the process to submit a bid to host the
NAC in San Francisco. :) I now understand what is required to submit
a bid, but I don't know the deadline for that submission. For the
most significant VTES event in all of North America, it seems
reasonable to me to set a deadline for when bids must be submitted.
Ben or Oscar, can you tell me (and everyone) what is the deadline to
submit a bid to host the NAC 2009?
If a group isn't well enough organized to submit a bid by the
deadline, then they probably aren't well-organized enough to run the
event. Also, by having a publicized deadline, it makes it a more fair
submission process.
> I'm not sure if it's true in Ira's case, but Kevin and I
> are really concerned about the cost of the event.
I think Kevin is less concerned now that he's found a good place. I'm
not certain that he's actually considering submitting a bid, though.
For San Francisco area, I'm definitely concerned about the cost of the
event, but I haven't done a lot of research into what's available. I
estimated a team of ~10 people to run the event (roles listed below),
and I hoped to get local volunteers before proceeding to contact
hotels, etc. Without a strong local volunteer base, I'm not going to
try to run an event. So at this point, it seems unlikely that I'd put
in a bid for this year.
That said, some of the roles below could be filled by out of town
folks, but I'd probably lean towards helping Kevin host in Vegas if
he's considering putting in a bid.
The thing I don't like about GenCon is that, all other things being
equal (city, time of year, etc.), it's a higher cost to attend GenCon
than a pure VTES weekend.
Ira
Below are the roles that would need to be filled, though
it's possible that one person could fill multiple roles.
These are all volunteer roles. The leads would be empowered
to make decisions and run their area of responsibility, as
well as recruit additional volunteers if needed.
NAC Lead Organizer
Responsible for the overall event. Ensures all other
leads are working smoothly together.
Webmaster
Responsible for creating and maintaining the website and
e-mail lists. Maintains contact info for all the leads.
May also maintain a blog for event planning, and mid-event
updates. Tech savvy.
Hotel Liaison
Responsible for communication with the Hotel, and ensuring
everything goes smoothly with the hotel staff. Point
person on all hotel-related issues before, during, and
after the event. Preferably has experience working with
hotels.
PR Lead
Responsible for spreading word about the event far and
wide, using whatever traditional and creative means
available, including posting to message boards, getting
business cards to The Lasombra for inclusion in his sales,
etc. Outgoing and persistent, comfortable talking to lots
of people.
Hospitality Lead
Responsible for non-VTES events and hospitality for out of
town guests. Will provide information about alternate
attractions, transportation to/from the event, and
anything else to make our out of town guests feel welcome.
Enjoys helping other people have a good time.
Photography Lead
Responsible for taking pictures at the event, and
generally documenting the event. Requires good follow up
after the event to ensure pictures get posted. Must have
a camera, and a video camera might be nice, too.
Security Lead
Responsible for the security at the event. Will interface
with any police people and hotel staff on issues of event
security. Will deal with any rowdy/drunk players.
Preferably someone with security experience. May be a
moot point if we have <50 people, but with 100+ people,
this role becomes important.
Gopher Lead
Responsible for last minute requests at the event. Will
be available to get last minute items. Preferably has a
car, and will be available to run errands at any time
during the event.
Charity Lead
Optional role, but I'm hoping we'll have some charity
event or auction, so that we can donate money to a
good cause. This person would be responsible for all
aspects of our charity event.
Anything else I'm missing?
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Having played a small part in organizing ICC in the past, there are
benefits to piggy-backing with them. We'd probably get more players,
and they definitely do their scheduling well.
I think you're right that we probably don't want to be particularly
near them, nor visa versa, but it's an interesting idea and could make
things cheaper through economy of scale.
Ira
Ira wrote:
> To be clear, I inquired about the process to submit a bid to host the
> NAC in San Francisco. :) I now understand what is required to submit
> a bid, but I don't know the deadline for that submission. For the
> most significant VTES event in all of North America, it seems
> reasonable to me to set a deadline for when bids must be submitted.
Process for putting all of that together actually started yesterday
morning. :) We'd like to announce next year's NAC and EC (and SAC
and AC) in the next two months or so. Getting promotional material
together to hand out at the Prague EC is part of the plan.
> > I'm not sure if it's true in Ira's case, but Kevin and I
> > are really concerned about the cost of the event.
>
> I think Kevin is less concerned now that he's found a good place. I'm
> not certain that he's actually considering submitting a bid, though.
Looks like Kevin is dropping out for '09. :(
> For San Francisco area, I'm definitely concerned about the cost of the
> event, but I haven't done a lot of research into what's available. I
> estimated a team of ~10 people to run the event (roles listed below),
> and I hoped to get local volunteers before proceeding to contact
> hotels, etc. Without a strong local volunteer base, I'm not going to
> try to run an event. So at this point, it seems unlikely that I'd put
> in a bid for this year.
:( Certainly try for '10 or '11.
> NAC Lead Organizer
> Responsible for the overall event. Ensures all other
> leads are working smoothly together.
>> <snip really good list>>
> Anything else I'm missing?
Event Lead
Y'know, like, the one responsible for judging and getting the events
into the Event Calendar and submitting and posting the event
results. :)
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Volunteers are a problem? Mike and I did LA on our own so I'd think
you guys could do it. I'll certainly volunteer to help. I think
Vegas is a great location. Tell me what you need and I'll see if
we've got any volunteers in LA.
Don't make me put in a bid of my own but in your town. :-)
-Robert
On Jul 15, 2:44 pm, benp...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ira wrote:
> > It seems to me that the biggest factor in determining attendance at
> > the NAC is cost to attend.
>
> I'm very certain this is true. A big factor with respect to that is
> the demographics of the North American players. We're basically
> loaded onto the eastern half of North America. Most players had to
> cross plains, mountains, and desert in order to get to the NAC in LA.
> Lowering the travel cost would be a big step towards increasing
> attendance. It may be the case that keeping the NAC in the middle (or
> slightly east of middle) of North America is the right approach for
> maintaining a high attendance. However, there's also the sentiment
> that by moving the NAC around, it gives every region a chance to
> attend - it's one of the big reasons why we went with that system.
> I've also had some players tell me that they have to make the choice
> between attending GenCon and attending the NAC, and they've been
> choosing GenCon.
All correct. LA was distant (and therefore expensive) for a lot of
people used to going to the NAC cheaply. Attendance certainly suffered
for that. Conversely, Atlanta and all prior NAC locations were distant
and expensive for players out west.
If the only goal is attendance then we should hold the NAC in
Europe. :-)
> I'm certainly open to suggestions as to where we think the NAC
> should be in future years. We could keep moving from city to city.
> We could go back to GenCon. Do we tell Seattle to just suck it up and
> deal while we try to maximize attendance, or do we try to put the NAC
> in the Pacific Northwest sometime? Do we have it in Mexico City?
Right. You've got hard choices to make to keep it all in balance.
Maximizing attendance, so far, hasn't been the main goal, but you
certainly wouldn't want to choose a location that will struggle to
have a 15-player tournament.
> Here's another factor: I haven't really gotten many people
> volunteering to host the 2009 NAC. Ira's offered to have it in San
> Francisco. Kevin's mulled over having it in Las Vegas. I've thought
> about having it in Boston. I'm not sure if it's true in Ira's case,
> but Kevin and I are really concerned about the cost of the event. I'm
> rather pessimistic about how much it would cost to have the NAC
> weekend plus the Week of Nightmares in the Boston area. Speaking of
> which, as fun and as great a tradition as the Week of Nightmares is,
> it's definitely a burden on the organizers to accomodate it - it might
> be a reason why I've gotten few volunteers. I certainly don't expect
> to have free run of The Ram at GenCon if we were to move back.
From my perspective, the Week of Nightmares was easy to accomodate
since most venues had space available during the weekdays. It was the
weekends where they were often reluctant to have dozens of gamers
filling their biggest meeting rooms and spending zero dollars in their
catering departments.
Hey, if nobody is volunteering, see if WW would do it in Atlanta
again. If not, the default should probably be GenCon. Or to put it
another way, if there aren't any volunteers then all of the sentiment
about moving it around should be out the window and you should focus
only on maximizing attendance.
Knowing what I know now, after having done one, I'd volunteer again
but I think it shouldn't be out West for a while. Also, with the
bigger budget being offered nowadays I would have had more choices for
hotels and entertainment. It's an easier job now than it used to be.
-Robert
On Jul 15, 2:50 pm, benp...@gmail.com wrote:
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That was certainly worth checking out. Good thinkin'!
I actually bumped into Ira when they had the ICC in Burbank, CA
something like 7 years ago. Mike Courtois and I setup a V:TES demo
there and handed out a bunch of starter decks and played with some of
the attendees. I think Ira was running a tournament there and
smashing all of the casual V:TES players with his ultra-cool tech and
years of experience.
I think it's probably worth checking where the ICC will be at each
year and just making a note of it rather than being at all involved
with the bidding for the event. For example, if they'd already
selected Boston for 2010, someone could check with them and see what
it would take to glom onto their facility, hotel deals, etc. But if
the ICC location sucks then just skip it.
-Robert
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:36:16 -0700 (PDT), Robert Goudie wrote:
>Hey, if nobody is volunteering, see if WW would do it in Atlanta
>again. If not, the default should probably be GenCon. Or to put it
>another way, if there aren't any volunteers then all of the sentiment
>about moving it around should be out the window and you should focus
>only on maximizing attendance.
Atlanta is prepared to host again in 2009.
Let us know if no one else steps up in a reasonable timeframe.
The Lasombra wrote:
> Atlanta is prepared to host again in 2009.
>
> Let us know if no one else steps up in a reasonable timeframe.
At present, I have two groups about to look into hotels for the 2009
NAC: Atlanta, GA and Providence, RI. No formal proposals have been
made - just statements of intent to look at hotels.
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Thanks for paving the way out West, Robert! Our future endeavors will
definitely piggyback off the railroad you built.
Vegas gNat
On Jul 17, 4:00 pm, The Lasombra <TheLasom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:36:16 -0700 (PDT), Robert Goudie wrote:
> >Hey, if nobody is volunteering, see if WW would do it in Atlanta
> >again. If not, the default should probably be GenCon. Or to put it
> >another way, if there aren't any volunteers then all of the sentiment
> >about moving it around should be out the window and you should focus
> >only on maximizing attendance.
>
> Atlanta is prepared to host again in 2009.
If New Orleans were to host then it would have to be much earlier in
the Year. Like somewhere in June or July, to get the best hotel
rates.
Comments Welcome,
Norman S. Brown, Jr
XZealot
Archon of the Swamp
Atlanta or Providence would be awesome because it's not out of the
USA. I hated the fact that I'd have to buy a passport because it
helped make Montreal prohibitively expensive.
On Jul 18, 6:12 am, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> If New Orleans were to host then it would have to be much earlier in
> the Year. Like somewhere in June or July, to get the best hotel
> rates.
>
> Comments Welcome,
> Norman S. Brown, Jr
> XZealot
> Archon of the Swamp
Questions more for the powers that be than Norm, but pertaining to
Norm's point:
Technically what prevents the NAC from being that early? Anything? As
long as there was sufficient notice so qualifiers could be packed in
the early months could it be made to work?
When the NAC was at GenCon it was early August/Late July IIRC. Other
than perhaps avoiding competing with Origins would there be a problem?
John_P
Winnipeg
John Pattie wrote:
> Technically what prevents the NAC from being that early? Anything? As
> long as there was sufficient notice so qualifiers could be packed in
> the early months could it be made to work?
>
> When the NAC was at GenCon it was early August/Late July IIRC. Other
> than perhaps avoiding competing with Origins would there be a problem?
Peak travel season = expensive air fare.
- Ben
John P. wrote:
> When the NAC was at GenCon it was early August/Late July IIRC.
Dates for past Gen*Cons:
August 16 - 19, 2007
August 10 - 13, 2006
August 11 - 14, 2005
August 19 - 22, 2004
July 24 - 27, 2003
August 8 - 11, 2002
August 2 - 5, 2001
August 10 - 13, 2000
August 5 - 8, 1999
August 6 - 9, 1998
...
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Hotels in New Orleans are relatively inexpensive during the summer
relative to the other seasons of the year. Most of the peak travel
time to New Orleans is Fall, Winter (Mardi Gras), and Spring (Jazz
Fest). So if we did one in July then we would get a break on the
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You don't need a passport to get to Montreal this year, as long as you
drive across the border. That's what I'm doing, hopefully. =)
Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas
"Know your enemy, and know yourself; in one-thousand battles
you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War*
"Contentment... Complacency... Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier
On Jul 18, 11:33 am, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> John P. wrote:
> > When the NAC was at GenCon it was early August/Late July IIRC.
>
> Dates for past Gen*Cons:> July 24 - 27, 2003
If I remember correctly, this was the largest collection of VTES
players that I have ever seen
If that is true, then perhaps for the NAC July is a more favorable
travel month for not just the general public but VTES players as well.
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Also flights from New York or pretty much any other destination are
dirt cheap during that time period.
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On Jul 17, 10:47 am, Robert Goudie <RobertT.Gou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I actually bumped into Ira when they had the ICC in Burbank, CA
> something like 7 years ago. Mike Courtois and I setup a V:TES demo
> there and handed out a bunch of starter decks and played with some of
> the attendees. I think Ira was running a tournament there and
> smashing all of the casual V:TES players with his ultra-cool tech and
> years of experience.
I know some of the people came back from that ICC with an interest in
VTES. Of course, the Cam was also doing a chronicle that synced up
with it, rather than the NWoD one in place now.
> I think it's probably worth checking where the ICC will be at each
> year and just making a note of it rather than being at all involved
> with the bidding for the event. For example, if they'd already
> selected Boston for 2010, someone could check with them and see what
> it would take to glom onto their facility, hotel deals, etc. But if
> the ICC location sucks then just skip it.
The current bid rules for hosting a regional or bigger convention for
the Camarilla mandate a hotel room rate of $99/night or less. This is
wicked hard to do in the Boston area.
Jason
Jadasc <jad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The current bid rules for hosting a regional or bigger convention for
> the Camarilla mandate a hotel room rate of $99/night or less. This is
> wicked hard to do in the Boston area.
Hmm. I might be able to do that in Las Vegas...
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On Jul 20, 5:37 pm, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote:
> Jadasc <jad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The current bid rules for hosting a regional or bigger convention for
> > the Camarilla mandate a hotel room rate of $99/night or less. This is
> > wicked hard to do in the Boston area.
>
> Hmm. I might be able to do that in Las Vegas...
Even without a negotiated group rate you can do that. Stratosphere
for $80/night or less. Or go off the strip a little bit...probably
$75 or less at Terribles. I hit Imperial Palace (right across from
Ceaser's which i know you know already) every year and haven't ever
paid more than $99.
Of course, trying to combine that cheap rooms with affordable meeting
space is the bigger challenge. Man, I'd love to go to the Haufbrau
house with a bunch or vtes players! Yum. big beers!
http://www.hofbrauhauslasvegas.com/content/?c=27
-Robert
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Ben, please consider announcing a deadline for bid submissions. If
you set a deadline, then interested parties will submit bids, and
you'll know who is serious and sufficiently organized. I also suspect
it will make your choice more fair and better informed, because you'll
be able to compare apples to apples.
Thanks,
Ira
On Jul 20, 8:37 pm, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote:
> Hmm. I might be able to do that in Las Vegas...
Might at that. Contact me privately, and I'll see if I can get the
full requirement list.
-- Jason
Jadasc wrote:
> Kevin M wrote:
>
> > Hmm. I might be able to do that in Las Vegas...
>
> Might at that. Contact me privately, and I'll see if I can get the
> full requirement list.
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librarian schrieb:
> Thoughts? Am I crazy, do I not see things correctly?
My humble opinion from the other continent:
In terms of costs moving away from GenCon was great. GenCon was
certainly more expensive (for me) to attend than Montreal. Don´t forget
to figure in the steep and most likely useless GenCon badge!
In any case I will try to make it to next years NAC again. Vegas rocks I
guess, in terms of price and entertainment. Also "I am going to Vegas to
play some cards" sounds cool, doesn´t it ;-)
See you in Montreal!
Johannes
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I have already spoken to the appropriate WW employees, and I think I'll
pass in trying to create a joint NAC/ICC. Sorry about that. :(
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XZealot schrieb:
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New Orleans would be great as well. I have yet to visit the area so what
a good opportunity. But isnt it crazy hot there in the summer?
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....as opposed to Vegas?
That's the excuse we use to start our day with Bloody Mary's, but we
do have Air Conditioning.
Vast, Vast Quantities of Air Conditioning.
It doesn't get nearly as hot in New Orleans in the summer as it does
in say Atlanta or Vegas.
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On Jul 22, 4:46 pm, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote:
> XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
> > I guess you don't have anything nice to say about New Orleans, LA.
>
> Crawfish pizza! =)
Grits and Grillades, Po-Boys, Crawfish Boils, and Bars that
Never...Ever...Close...
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Jadasc <jad...@gmail.com> wrote in news:fd0e77d1-0afb-48cc-8bca-
95ec53...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
> The current bid rules for hosting a regional or bigger convention for
> the Camarilla mandate a hotel room rate of $99/night or less. This is
> wicked hard to do in the Boston area.
>
Frequent traveller tip; when I need to stay in/near Boston on the cheap, I
stay at the Holiday Inn Express in Waltham, MA. If you reserve a week in
advance or more, the rate is $102 per night. Its in a convenient location,
and the hotel is clean and well run. If a Boston NAC were to be
considered, this hotel should be on the list of candidate locations.
DaveZ
(Hi all, BTW. I've been away, like, forever...)
Johannes Walch <johanne...@vekn.de> wrote:
> New Orleans would be great as well. I have yet
> to visit the area so what a good opportunity. But isnt
> it crazy hot there in the summer?
Since the NAC is usually in October, the average temperature for New
Orleans is mid-70s and for Las Vegas is mid-80s. Whic, compared to the
rest of the country in October, is pretty happy. ;)
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On Jul 23, 5:12 pm, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote:
> Johannes Walch <johannes.wa...@vekn.de> wrote:
> > New Orleans would be great as well. I have yet
> > to visit the area so what a good opportunity. But isnt
> > it crazy hot there in the summer?
>
> Since the NAC is usually in October, the average temperature for New
> Orleans is mid-70s and for Las Vegas is mid-80s. Whic, compared to the
> rest of the country in October, is pretty happy. ;)
Unfortunantly, I will never be able to host a NAC in October as I am
buried in work canning all the sweet potatoes for the entire United
States to eat on Thanksgiving.
If I had my choice about when the NAC would be held. I would move it
back to July.
....my two cents.
Comments Welcome,
Norman S. Brown Jr
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XZealot <xze...@cox.net> wrote:
> Unfortunantly, I will never be able to host a NAC in October as I am
> buried in work canning all the sweet potatoes for the entire United
> States to eat on Thanksgiving.
>
> If I had my choice about when the NAC would be held. I would move it
> back to July.
Well, I don't know if that would be useful to White Wolf, as it could
potentially interfere with both Origins and GenCon. But then again, I'm
not in charge of deciding anything.
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On Jul 23, 5:54 pm, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote:
> XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
> > Unfortunantly, I will never be able to host a NAC in October as I am
> > buried in work canning all the sweet potatoes for the entire United
> > States to eat on Thanksgiving.
>
> > If I had my choice about when the NAC would be held. I would move it
> > back to July.
>
> Well, I don't know if that would be useful to White Wolf, as it could
> potentially interfere with both Origins and GenCon. But then again, I'm
> not in charge of deciding anything.
Those are very good points. Would anyone on this list skip the NAC to
attend either GenCon or Origins. I know I would attend the NAC
regardless of either Convention's date. Also, since other than Oscar
(who is ours to begin with :)), I haven't seen WW sacrificing any
personnel to participate with the NAC.
Comments Welcome,
Norman S. Brown, Jr
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<59256467-c0f2-4b60...@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
XZealot <xze...@cox.net> wrote:
> Those are very good points. Would anyone on this list skip the NAC to
> attend either GenCon or Origins.
I suspect a lot of folks would skip the NAC to attend either GenCon or
Origins.
Peter D Bakija
pd...@lightlink.com
http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6/vtes.html
"It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does?"
-Gaff
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You mean about 41 days before Easter?
best -
chris
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On Jul 24, 12:33 pm, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote:
> Johannes Walch wrote:
> > Blooded Sand schrieb:
> >> On Jul 23, 2:27 pm, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>> On Jul 22, 4:46 pm, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote:
>
> >>>> XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>>> I guess you don't have anything nice to say about New Orleans, LA.
> >>>> Crawfish pizza! =)
> >>> Grits and Grillades, Po-Boys, Crawfish Boils, and Bars that
> >>> Never...Ever...Close...
>
> >>> Comments Welcome,
> >>> Norman S. Brown, Jr
> >>> XZealot
> >>> Archon of the Swamp
>
> >> And GIRLS.... GONE.... WILD!!!!!!!!
>
> >> Sorry ;)
>
> > On that note it might be clever to move the NAC to springtime ;-)
>
> You mean about 41 days before Easter?
Mardi Gras would be awesome! Unfortunantly, no one would actually
show up for the North American Championship, as everyone would be out
partying their face off.
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