Corruption counters Q

Dumb question, just to be sure: Are corruption counters from Venenation (action mod.) and Corruption (action) cumulative? thank you.

In message <549ed483.01111...@posting.google.com>, Max <hot...@virgilio.it> writes: >Are corruption counters from Venenation (action mod.) and Corruption >(action) cumulative? Yes. But remember that only *your* counters are taken note of by the card text. (Also, those provided by Nefertiti are cumulative.) -- James Coupe Everybody knows that "No" means "Yes" PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D Just like glasses come free on the NHS EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 But the more I look through them the more I see 13D7E668C3695D623D5D I'm becoming more like Alfie

Of course !! "Max" <hot...@virgilio.it> wrote in message news:549ed483.01111...@posting.google.com... [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] I am under the impression that the counters from each are cumulative with each other, although that is not expressly stated anywhere. In other words, Anson with 3 counters from Venenation, 2 from Corruption, and 3 from Nefertiti makes for a very sad state of affairs for Anson's controller. chris -- chris shorb <www.vtesinla.org> (A V:TES site in development) prince of torrance, california Ultimate Disc - Hockey - Vampire the Eternal Struggle Ebay page <http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/vtessingles/>

> I am under the impression that the counters from each are cumulative > with each other, although that is not expressly stated anywhere. In > other words, Anson with 3 counters from Venenation, 2 from Corruption, > and 3 from Nefertiti makes for a very sad state of affairs for Anson's > controller. However, there is a suble difference between Venenation's counters and Nefertit's counters. Anson can have 8 of Nefertiti's counters on him (with him being an 8 cap; no skill or capacity raising effects on him) and still not be stolen. by Nefertiti's controller. Anson would need to have a Corruption counter by either "Corruption" or "Venenation" to actualy be stolen at that point. Sorrow -- --- I don't want to be alone | I hurt, therefore I am anymore |-------------------------------- I don't want to be anyone | "What are you looking at...? anymore | you never seen anyone try to I don't need a reason to kill myself | commit suicide before?" - Anon ------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Sorrow" <jcb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:pKdK7.27$9d.1...@newshog.newsread.com... > > I am under the impression that the counters from each are cumulative > > with each other, although that is not expressly stated anywhere. In > > other words, Anson with 3 counters from Venenation, 2 from Corruption, > > and 3 from Nefertiti makes for a very sad state of affairs for Anson's > > controller. > > However, there is a suble difference between Venenation's counters > and Nefertit's counters. Anson can have 8 of Nefertiti's counters on > him (with him being an 8 cap; no skill or capacity raising effects on him) > and still not be stolen. by Nefertiti's controller. Anson would need to > have a Corruption counter by either "Corruption" or "Venenation" to > actualy be stolen at that point. I don't see how. Corruption "+1 stealth action. (D) Put a corruption counter on a vampire or ally controlled by your prey. If the number of your corruption counters on the minion equals or exceeds the blood capacity of that vampire or the cost of that ally, you may burn all of your corruption counters on that minion to gain control of him or her." Veneation "Only usable when this acting minion is blocked, before combat begins. [ser] Place a corruption counter on the blocking minion. If the number of your corruption counters on the minion equals or exceeds the blood capacity of that vampire or the cost of that ally, you may burn all of your corruption counters on that minion to gain control of him or her (instead of starting combat). Otherwise, combat occurs as normal. [SER] As above, but the cost of this card is reduced by 1 blood." Nefertiti "Independent. Nefertiti can place a corruption counter on a minion controlled by your prey as a +1 stealth (D) action that costs 1 blood. +1 bleed." They come from different sources ( and potentially have different owners ) but Corruption and Veneation don't care where they come from, they only care who owns them.

> > However, there is a suble difference between Venenation's counters > > and Nefertit's counters. Anson can have 8 of Nefertiti's counters on > > him (with him being an 8 cap; no skill or capacity raising effects on him) > > and still not be stolen. by Nefertiti's controller. Anson would need to > > have a Corruption counter by either "Corruption" or "Venenation" to > > actualy be stolen at that point. > I don't see how. The answer is apparent in each card's text. > Corruption > "+1 stealth action. (D) Put a corruption counter on a vampire or ally > controlled by your prey. If the number of your corruption counters on the > minion equals or exceeds the blood capacity of that vampire or the cost of > that ally, you may burn all of your corruption counters on that minion to > gain control of him or her." There is a clause in the above card text that tells you what you can do (take control) if the number of counters is >= capacity. > Veneation > "Only usable when this acting minion is blocked, before combat begins. [ser] > Place a corruption counter on the blocking minion. If the number of your > corruption counters on the minion equals or exceeds the blood capacity of > that vampire or the cost of that ally, you may burn all of your corruption > counters on that minion to gain control of him or her (instead of starting > combat). Otherwise, combat occurs as normal. [SER] As above, but the cost of > this card is reduced by 1 blood." There is a clause in the above card text that tells you what you can do (take control) if the number of counters is >= capacity. > Nefertiti > "Independent. Nefertiti can place a corruption counter on a minion > controlled by your prey as a +1 stealth (D) action that costs 1 blood. +1 > bleed." The only thing this says is you can put counters on. It doesn't say what happens if there are counters >= the minions capacity. > They come from different sources ( and potentially have different owners ) > but Corruption and Veneation don't care where they come from, they only care > who owns them. Indeed. However, Nefertiti doesn't have text indicating what happens when her corruption counters are >= capacity. You need a "Corruption" or "Venenation" for that. This is why I said Anson can have 8 Nefertiti counters on him and still not be stealable by Nefertiti's controller. Sorrow --- "This is my costume. I'm a homicidal maniac. They look just like everyone else." -- Wednesday Addams

Sorrow wrote: > > > I am under the impression that the counters from each are cumulative > > with each other, although that is not expressly stated anywhere. In > > other words, Anson with 3 counters from Venenation, 2 from Corruption, > > and 3 from Nefertiti makes for a very sad state of affairs for Anson's > > controller. > > However, there is a suble difference between Venenation's counters > and Nefertit's counters. The counters are all the same. The difference comes in the resolution of the effect - Venenation's effect allows the counters (which are all the same) to be burned for some effect. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:20:58 -0500, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >Sorrow wrote: >> >> > I am under the impression that the counters from each are cumulative >> > with each other, although that is not expressly stated anywhere. In >> > other words, Anson with 3 counters from Venenation, 2 from Corruption, >> > and 3 from Nefertiti makes for a very sad state of affairs for Anson's >> > controller. >> >> However, there is a suble difference between Venenation's counters >> and Nefertit's counters. > >The counters are all the same. > >The difference comes in the resolution of the effect - Venenation's effect >allows the counters (which are all the same) to be burned for some effect. > A related question: I was under the impression that Nefertiti can add counters, but cannot herself take over the vampie with her corruption. ie:you must 'finish' the corruption of the vamp with vene or corruption action card. Is this true? T

"Talonz51" <Talo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3bfb5003.452921067@news... > A related question: I was under the impression that Nefertiti can add > counters, but cannot herself take over the vampie with her corruption. > ie:you must 'finish' the corruption of the vamp with vene or > corruption action card. > Is this true? Yes. Nefertiti has no text allowing you to use the Corruption Counters she places to take control of a vampire. You must play a Corruption action card or a Venenation action modifier to take control of a vampire with Corruption Counters. Carpe noctem. Lasombra http://www.TheLasombra.com -- Posted from rr-163-53-90.atl.mediaone.net [24.163.53.90] via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG

In message <3bfb5003.452921067@news>, Talo...@hotmail.com writes: >A related question: I was under the impression that Nefertiti can add >counters, Correct. > but cannot herself take over the vampie with her corruption. >ie:you must 'finish' the corruption of the vamp with vene or >corruption action card. Yes. Only cards such as Corruption and Venenation have the text regarding stealing vampires. >Is this true? Yes. Corruption counters are only handled via card text - there are no actual rules to handle them. You always need card text to interact with them or do anything with them. [ quoted text not captured ]