Advanced Tegyrius question

If Tegyrius is merged, and therefore a Justicar, and then he calls Protect Thine Own (to burn a non-Camarilla vampire under capacity 6) and it passes.. does this count as "burning a vampire" for the purpose of playing Draught of the Soul?

[ quoted text not captured ] I don't believe so. The vampire is burned as a result of the vote, not regardless of who called it.. If i'm wrong someone pls correct me. :) DarkA

[ quoted text not captured ] I don't think there's any precedent one way or the other for this sort of "did the vampire do what the referendum did" question, so sure. If anyone has a reference to the contrary, please enlighten me. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

> If Tegyrius is merged, and therefore a Justicar, and then he calls > > Protect Thine Own (to burn a non-Camarilla vampire under capacity 6) > > and it passes.. does this count as "burning a vampire" for the purpose > > of playing Draught of the Soul? > > I don't think there's any precedent one way or the other for this > sort of "did the vampire do what the referendum did" question, so > sure. so sure = yes, Tegyrius can play DotS after PTO ? Just to clarify ... -- johannes walch v:ekn germany - http://www.vekn.de/

So this could be done with Soul Stealing also, presuming you meet all other requirements.

> So this could be done with Soul Stealing also, presuming you meet all > other requirements. I guess yes. But the Soul Stealing effect, while thematically very nice, is more easily reproduced by Voter Captivation :-) [ quoted text not captured ]

"Johannes Walch" <johanne...@vekn.de> wrote in message news:<bo0io3$221$07$1...@news.t-online.com>... > > So this could be done with Soul Stealing also, presuming you meet all > > other requirements. > > I guess yes. But the Soul Stealing effect, while thematically very nice, is > more easily reproduced by Voter Captivation :-) Okay, this is getting silly. First of all: Soul Stealing cannot be used if a vampire is burned as a result of a political action, such as Tradition Upheld. [RTR 19960124] As far as I can tell by the similar wordings on the cards, this should be the precedent being sought for Draught of the Soul as well. And second, it's just silly. Tegyrius did not "burn a vampire". He called a referendum. Period. Sure he can gain votes and cast them in favor of that referendum, but it's the referendum that burns the vampire, not the minion who called it. That would be as silly as saying that an Anarch Blanche Hill calling an Anarch Salon has successfully hunted and can now untap. Just because a referendum does something a minion might do in a different way does not mean the minion did that thing. Eric Simon Prince of Chicago

> Okay, this is getting silly. First of all: That´s what I thought first. But as LSJ gave a positive reply .... > Soul Stealing cannot be used if a vampire is burned as a result of a > political action, such as Tradition Upheld. [RTR 19960124] > > As far as I can tell by the similar wordings on the cards, this should > be the precedent being sought for Draught of the Soul as well. Any comments LSJ ? The RTR is also quite old, probably outdated ? [ quoted text not captured ]

Eric Simon wrote: > "Johannes Walch" <johanne...@vekn.de> wrote in message news:<bo0io3$221$07$1...@news.t-online.com>... > >>>So this could be done with Soul Stealing also, presuming you meet all >>>other requirements. >> >>I guess yes. But the Soul Stealing effect, while thematically very nice, is >>more easily reproduced by Voter Captivation :-) > > > Okay, this is getting silly. First of all: > > Soul Stealing cannot be used if a vampire is burned as a result of a > political action, such as Tradition Upheld. [RTR 19960124] > > As far as I can tell by the similar wordings on the cards, this should > be the precedent being sought for Draught of the Soul as well. Ah. Very good. That was the precedent I was looking for. So the answer is in fact "no" to the Tegyrius, Justicar, Protect Thine Own, Draught of the Soul question. Thanks for digging that one up. [ quoted text not captured ]