Madness Networks & Undeas Persistance

I had a couple of questions on the wording of these two cards. Madness Network- this card allows any untaped Malkavian to take an action after a Meth has completed her/his actions for the turn. This would mean that the Malk actions occur in between the Minion & influence phases of the current Meth. Does this mean that the if the Malk were to bleed the Meth who's turn is being interrupted that the Meth could not play reaction cards? Or can s/he play reaction cards because her minions aren't acting. The rules clearly state that reaction cards cannot be played on your own turn, and can only be played as a result of another Meth's actions. But, the rules also state that you can only take actions on your turn. Furthermore, the rules state that the text on the cards override the normal rules. Could it be argued that the Meth can react to the bleed from the Malk because the Madness Network itself overrides the rules of when a minion can act, and that reaction cards are played in response to actions? Or is the Meth just out of luck? Undead Persistance- This card allows a vamp to stay in combat when it is supposed to go to torpor, for three rounds without a card being played, or until the combat ends. There is also an optional press provided by the cars. My question is whether the otional press is provided each round (like a Trap) or whether the Persiting vamp would have to supply it's own presses after the first round. (I know that the vamp would have to provide additional presses in each round if a press to end was played by the other vamp, my question is just about the subsequent rounds.) Thanks stephen

Stephen Beaulieu (hi...@mail.utexas.edu) wrote: : I had a couple of questions on the wording of these two cards. [ quoted text not captured ] 1.) Reaction cards cannot be played by the acting Meth. 2.) UP gives only 1 press each continuation unless someone presses to end.2.) UP gives only 1 press each continuation unless someone presses to end.

sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu (L. Scott Johnson) writes: >hi...@mail.utexas.edu (Stephen Beaulieu) writes: >>I had a couple of questions on the wording of these two cards. >>Madness Network- this card allows any untaped Malkavian to take an action >Yes, (thanks, DTR) if you are bled on your own turn, you may NOT play >reaction cards. What fun. Is the Malk "officially" prohibited from playing action modifiers, too? Curt Adams (curt...@aol.com)

In article <3lrn9i$t...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, curt...@aol.com (CurtAdams) wrote: > Is the Malk "officially" prohibited from playing action modifiers, too? Unfortunately, I think the Malk can use action mods. Nowhere in the action modifier card rules does it say only usable during your own turn. The closest it comes is to say that action mods can only be used to modify your minions actions. So a Madness Networked malk can pump the stealth and bleed all it wants, and the Meth whoose thurn is interrupted can't do anything that involves a reaction card. Another member of my group got the same Madness Network ruling from the AOL Jyhad rep. So as it stands, if you don't want to get bled by a Mad Malk, burn the Madness Network! stephen

curt...@aol.com (CurtAdams) wrote: > > sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu (L. Scott Johnson) writes: > > >hi...@mail.utexas.edu (Stephen Beaulieu) writes: > > >>I had a couple of questions on the wording of these two cards. > > >>Madness Network- this card allows any untaped Malkavian to take an > action > > >Yes, (thanks, DTR) if you are bled on your own turn, you may NOT play > >reaction cards. What fun. > > Is the Malk "officially" prohibited from playing action modifiers, too? Peace Curt, Yes, "officially" it isn't their turn, therefore the Malk may not use Actions/Action Mods. Obviously, this is terrribly flawed. Around these parts, we play that the minion is "acting" and therefore may play Actions/ Action Mods and that other minions are "reacting" and therefore may play Reaction cards. Nil carborundum illigitimi, James R. McClure Jr. The OS/2 Apostle <insert disclaimer here>

hi...@mail.utexas.edu (Stephen Beaulieu) writes: >I had a couple of questions on the wording of these two cards. >Madness Network- this card allows any untaped Malkavian to take an action Yes, (thanks, DTR) if you are bled on your own turn, you may NOT play reaction cards. What fun. >Undead Persistance- This card allows a vamp to stay in combat when it is >supposed to go to torpor, for three rounds without a card being played, or >until the combat ends. There is also an optional press provided by the >cars. My question is whether the otional press is provided each round >(like a Trap) or whether the Persiting vamp would have to supply it's own >presses after the first round. (I know that the vamp would have to provide >additional presses in each round if a press to end was played by the other >vamp, my question is just about the subsequent rounds.) Supply your own after the first one (supplied by Undead Persistence). L. Scott

James R. McClure Jr. (jrmc...@ulkyvm.louisville.edu) wrote: : curt...@aol.com (CurtAdams) wrote: : > Is the Malk "officially" prohibited from playing action modifiers, too? : Peace Curt, : Yes, "officially" it isn't their turn, therefore the Malk may not use : Actions/Action Mods. Obviously, this is terrribly flawed. Around these : parts, we play that the minion is "acting" and therefore may play Actions/ : Action Mods and that other minions are "reacting" and therefore may play : Reaction cards. Hmmm... Flawed as this ruling is, I don't read the rules the same way you do. Reactions may not be played during your turn, and DT says that Madness Network takes place during your turn therefore no reactions. Action Modifiers can only be played _when you are taking an action_ however, so I see no reaso why a Mad Networked Malkavian taking an action would not be allowed to play ActMods... (Unless there is something on the Madness Network itself that states that this action is not a real action, or some such - do not own a copy of this one...) Shane Travis | A man who carries a cat by the tail learns sht...@duke.usask.ca | something he can learn no other way. Saskatoon, Saskatchewan | -- Mark Twain

In article <3lsvmn$e...@tribune.usask.ca>, sht...@duke.usask.ca (Shane Hamish William Travis) wrote: > > (Unless there is something on the Madness Network itself that states that > this action is not a real action, or some such - do not own a copy of > this one...) There is no wording of this sort on the card. So I believe that the strict interpretation would allow Action Mods, but no reactions. (Darn the luck) stephen

curt...@aol.com (CurtAdams) writes: >Is the Malk "officially" prohibited from playing action modifiers, too? No Action mods aren't lmited except to the acting vampire. L. Scott

Stephen Beaulieu wrote: > Unfortunately, I think the Malk can use action mods. Nowhere in the > action modifier card rules does it say only usable during your own turn. > The closest it comes is to say that action mods can only be used to modify > your minions actions. So a Madness Networked malk can pump the stealth > and bleed all it wants, and the Meth whoose thurn is interrupted can't do > anything that involves a reaction card. > Another member of my group got the same Madness Network ruling from the > AOL Jyhad rep. So as it stands, if you don't want to get bled by a Mad > Malk, burn the Madness Network! We have a house rule that players can play reaction cards when a Malkavian takes an action out of it's Methusalah's turn. That balances the card somewhat (it's still useful: you can use all 'unspent' Malkavians at the end of you predator's turns) and makes more sense. If you don't like the official rules, change them! After all, it's you and your group who are playing the game and if you think you can improve on it, try it and do it. -- Johan Meijdam jo...@pa.twi.tudelft.nl

"James R. McClure Jr." <jrmc...@ulkyvm.louisville.edu> writes: >curt...@aol.com (CurtAdams) wrote: >> >> sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu (L. Scott Johnson) writes: >> >> >hi...@mail.utexas.edu (Stephen Beaulieu) writes: >> >> >>I had a couple of questions on the wording of these two cards. >> >> >>Madness Network- this card allows any untaped Malkavian to take an >> action >> >> >Yes, (thanks, DTR) if you are bled on your own turn, you may NOT play >> >reaction cards. What fun. >> >> Is the Malk "officially" prohibited from playing action modifiers, too? >Peace Curt, >Yes, "officially" it isn't their turn, therefore the Malk may not use >Actions/Action Mods. Obviously, this is terrribly flawed. Around these Action Mods can be used any time, played by the acting Minion. These cards are (correctly) not limited to one's own turn. Sorry, but they got this part right.

jo...@pa.twi.tudelft.nl (Johan Meijdam) writes: >Stephen Beaulieu wrote: >> Unfortunately, I think the Malk can use action mods. Nowhere in the As we have been playing it, you (having Malks & mad net) can take min acts at the END of any Meths turn. So we play it just like it's your turn again because you are currently in a Minion Phase (i.e. it's your minion phase and y your turn kinda. definately not any other meths turn. Tell me if this is wrong via offical rulings, but We'll probably keep it this way unless anyone knows a better way. >-- > Johan Meijdam > jo...@pa.twi.tudelft.nl -- This is the official account of the Let's Try This Player's, DramaTech's Own Improvisational Comedy Troupe. Performing Tuesdays at Under The Couch at MaTech We are dedicated to the discovery of theraputic humor through spontaneous characterization and organized Chaos. We do not underestimate the power of Soup