In article <64206.s...@mail.student.utwente.nl> "Tobias Herman Jacobus op den Brouw" <s930...@mail.student.utwente.nl> writes:
>On Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:45:08 LOCAL,
>David Hewitt <khy...@primenet.com> wrote:>> Right. I have a Renegade Garou and a Flamethrower.
>> My friends have bunches of Rothscwhacacallits.
>> The card says its playable on any minion attempting to use aggravated damage.
>>(and I'm certainly trying!) but...the result is "the vampire attempting to use
>>aggravated damage is put into torpor."
>> My garou (or, come to think of it, my vampire hunter) isn't a vampire and
>>can't go to torpor. What happens?
>>>If I recall correctly, the Rotschreck put the vampire who was about to
>receive te aggravated damage into torpor, not the vamp using it. (I think
>you should look at the wording of minion and vamp. on that card). That's my
>two cents worth.
That isn't true the Rotschreck card is put on the minion that attempts to use
aggravated damage. There have been a couple posts about the wording of this
card.
About your garou it says "Play when a *minion* attempts to use aggravated
damage ..." So it must not matter if it is a vampire or not. But I'm not sure
what happens to the garou.
Sorry for only a half answer,
-8Ball
Rotschrek (sp?) is played when a minion (ally or vampire) is about
to do aggravated damage to a vampire. The vampire (the one taking) the aggraaggravated damage is placed in torpor and combat ends. This is meant
to be used to save a vampire from being burned by aggravated damage.
and just sends the vampire to torpor with no damage being dealt. It is
after all an out-of-turn card to be used when other people are acting
against you.
-Brian
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On Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:45:08 LOCAL,
David Hewitt <khy...@primenet.com> wrote:
> Right. I have a Renegade Garou and a Flamethrower.
> My friends have bunches of Rothscwhacacallits.
> The card says its playable on any minion attempting to use aggravated damage.
>(and I'm certainly trying!) but...the result is "the vampire attempting to use
>aggravated damage is put into torpor."
> My garou (or, come to think of it, my vampire hunter) isn't a vampire and
>can't go to torpor. What happens?
>
If I recall correctly, the Rotschreck put the vampire who was about to
receive te aggravated damage into torpor, not the vamp using it. (I think
you should look at the wording of minion and vamp. on that card). That's my
two cents worth.
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I don't see how it would matter that it's an out-of-turn master card
-- you can still play it on either combatant. If you have the flamethrower,
you'll be the one doing aggravated damage. Remember the "whether
successfully or not" phrase -- you can use it when the other vampire
dodges.
Also, as often happens with Frenzy, a third Methuselah may well wish to
play this card on either combatant, cackling madly all the while.
(And yes, I know there's a "ruling" that Ro"tschreck does the opposite
of what it says. For something that contradicts the wording of a card,
I expect a WotC erratum.)
--
Richard Braakman
"Power is the link between dream and reality"
Rotschreck may only be used on a vampire attempting to deal aggravated damage.
Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for
aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.
Rotschreck is, by definition, an intense fear of "sunlight." I would
agree that the spirit of the card is to put into torpor the vampire about
to recieve aggrivated damage (OH, NO! you're going to put a stake through
my heart? I'm so scared I'll just drop right into torpor before you can
do it! :( aak!)
The wording (minion vs. vampire) seems to support this.
Steve
Actually, Rotschreck is a general fear of overly lethal things. The classic
example is sunlight, but fire and such are included as well.
The concept behind the Rotschreck card in Jyhad is that a Methuselah sees
a vampire playing with such naughty toys, and confronts the vampire with the
horror of just what it's doing. That vampire then goes and hides for
a while.
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Before I could do anything to stop it, Thomas R Wylie wrote:
> The concept behind the Rotschreck card in Jyhad is that a Methuselah sees
> a vampire playing with such naughty toys, and confronts the vampire with the
> horror of just what it's doing. That vampire then goes and hides for
> a while.
I think what still throws us off is that it says it can be used when a
*minion* attempts to use aggravated damage, then the *vampire* goes into
torpor. Is this a misprint? If so, will they be correcting it?
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>Actually, Rotschreck is a general fear of overly lethal things. The classic
>example is sunlight, but fire and such are included as well.>The concept behind the Rotschreck card in Jyhad is that a Methuselah sees
>a vampire playing with such naughty toys, and confronts the vampire with the
>horror of just what it's doing. That vampire then goes and hides for
>a while.
That's an amazingly horrible explaination for several reasons. Most
obvious is that the card is clearly written to work the other way. Secondly
is, what's wrong with aggravated damage? If they didn't like it, they
could have agreed not to allow it in their little game (the Jyhad they are
having.)
Lastly, the reason that is most silly -- the Methusalahs remain hidden
and secret for a reason. They are terrified of being found, caught and
slain by other powerful vampires. As a vampire card, they'd be archons
with 4+ disciplines at double superior and a 25 capacity, etc, etc... but
they do not become personally involved.
I can't imagine them voilating their centuries-long carefully kept
anonymity to walk up to a guy with claws and say, "hey -- that could put
an eye out."
Brian Wilson <bwi...@gate.net> wrote:
>I think what still throws us off is that it says it can be used when a
>*minion* attempts to use aggravated damage, then the *vampire* goes into
>torpor. Is this a misprint? If so, will they be correcting it?
It will certainly be clarified in any future printings.
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Owen Reynolds <reyn...@cs.iastate.edu> wrote:
> That's an amazingly horrible explaination for several reasons. Most>obvious is that the card is clearly written to work the other way...
The point I'm trying to make is that it was, in fact, written to hose
the vampire dealing the aggravated damage, regardless of how "clear" it
might be that it would hose the receiving vampire.
>what's wrong with aggravated damage?...
Aggravated damage is great. What's wrong with having a card to hose
aggravated damage? After all, weapons are great, and there are several
cards to hose those.
> Lastly, the reason that is most silly -- the Methusalahs remain hidden>and secret for a reason. They are terrified of being found, caught...
Then why are they playing master cards at all? The whole idea behind spending
pool, after all, is that the Methuselah is manipulating your vampires to
"recruit" them to the cause. And besides, it isn't necessarily that the
Methusaleh is the one jumping out of the alley and confronting the vampire;
perhaps they are having some minion doing it.
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In article <reynolds....@shazam.cs.iastate.edu>,
Owen Reynolds <reyn...@cs.iastate.edu> wrote:
>>Actually, Rotschreck is a general fear of overly lethal things. The classic
>>example is sunlight, but fire and such are included as well.>>>The concept behind the Rotschreck card in Jyhad is that a Methuselah sees
>>a vampire playing with such naughty toys, and confronts the vampire with the
>>horror of just what it's doing. That vampire then goes and hides for
>>a while.> That's an amazingly horrible explaination for several reasons.
Actually, it's also a correct explanation, as so quoteth In Tominae.
>Most
>obvious is that the card is clearly written to work the other way.
Well, we can safely assume nothing is obvious because so many people
are confused, cappice?
>Secondly
>is, what's wrong with aggravated damage? If they didn't like it, they
>could have agreed not to allow it in their little game (the Jyhad they are
>having.)
But the card is basically telling the neighbor's kid not to run with
scissors in the house or they'll get their eye gored out and sliced
and pus will run all over their face and they'll be a deformed freak
for the rest of their damnable life when they finally decide to commit
suicide to end their miserable existence.
Or something like that.
> Lastly, the reason that is most silly -- the Methusalahs remain hidden
>and secret for a reason. They are terrified of being found, caught and
>slain by other powerful vampires.
Not always. It's just easier to run a conspiracy organization without
all these gnats bothering you. Terrified of being found? Not really.
More like, too powerful. The only thing they're worried about is their
peers, the other Methuselahs.
>As a vampire card, they'd be archons
>with 4+ disciplines at double superior and a 25 capacity, etc, etc... but
>they do not become personally involved.
As cards (and they better not -ever- do this) they'd be effective gods.
Like, block any action, regardless of stealth. Control another person's
minions till the end of the game and then some. Remember, _you_ are the
Methuselah. Every card you play is a power the Methuselah has. Think about
it. Go get some ice cream. Think about it some more. Turn off the computer,
you're wasting electricity. Don't forget to call your girlfriend.
> I can't imagine them voilating their centuries-long carefully kept
>anonymity to walk up to a guy with claws and say, "hey -- that could put
>an eye out."
Nope, they're telling someone else's toadie "Do you realize the eternal
agony you are wielding? How it can scar and bring down excruciating pain
unto and beyond death, like slicing open all your fingertips with a
rusty razor blade right before you have some nice orange juice poured
all over them? Would that really really hurt?" Scare your opponent's
kid into knocking it off.
Jack Dracula
Visceral Vampire