[LSJ] White Nights Massacre

Must I have an untapped ready werewolf ally in play to use the second clause on WNM? The card text is ambiguous as to whether or not this is a "tap to..." effect, or a "tap and..." effect. White Nights Massacre Transient. During your next discard phase, you must burn this card, and you may either burn a vampire in torpor or, by tapping a ready werewolf ally you control or discarding a White Nights Massacre from your hand, burn all vampires in torpor. John Eno

[ quoted text not captured ] Yes. It says "by tapping", which means that the effect is only going to happen if you tap it. Otherwise it would have said something like "tap a ready werewolf ally you control ......, butn all vampires in torpor". --> J grail_pbem "at" hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/grail_j

[ quoted text not captured ] /nitpick Well if you have a second WNM in your hand, you can discard that INSTEAD of tapping a ready werewolf.......

J wrote: > On Dec 22, 3:06 pm, Kushiel <invisibleking...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Must I have an untapped ready werewolf ally in play to use the second >> clause on WNM? The card text is ambiguous as to whether or not this is >> a "tap to..." effect, or a "tap and..." effect. >> >> White Nights Massacre >> Transient. >> During your next discard phase, you must burn this card, and you may >> either burn a vampire in torpor or, by tapping a ready werewolf ally >> you control or discarding a White Nights Massacre from your hand, burn >> all vampires in torpor. > > Yes. It says "by tapping", which means that the effect is only going > to happen if you tap it. Otherwise it would have said something like > "tap a ready werewolf ally you control ......, butn all vampires in > torpor". Correct.

[ quoted text not captured ] /nitpick, i snipped that bit out as it wasn't pertinent to the discussion. hence the "ally you control ......, burn" [ quoted text not captured ]

> > > Yes. It says "by tapping", which means that the effect is only going > > to happen if you tap it. Otherwise it would have said something like > > "tap a ready werewolf ally you control ......, butn all vampires in > > torpor". > > Correct > I am confused then. I was told that I can use Jar the Soul on a tapped minion, as in you can play a card to tap another minion, even if this minion was already tapped. Jar the Soul +1 stealth action. (D) Tap any ready minion. (D) As above, and that minion burns 1 blood.

cnislev wrote: > I am confused then. I was told that I can use Jar the Soul on a tapped > minion, as in you can play a card to tap another minion, even if this > minion was already tapped. You may apply a "tap that" effect to something already tapped, yes. Tapping an already-tapped thing will not suffice to activate a "tap this thing to do magic" effect (nor the equivalent "may do magic by tapping this thing" effect). Similarly, you can apply a burn blood effect to an empty vampire. An empty vampire cannot apply such an effect to himself to activate an effect with a blood cost (or a "burn a blood to do magic" effect and so on).